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Hi all, im looking for some help with my 2nd Great Grandfather, heres what i have......
John Nicholson b.1833 in Wighill, Yorkshire.
m. Sarah Eliza Hall (aged 19) in 1873 (lists his father as James Nicholson)
John and Sarah went on to have 13 children.
But that is all i have, i cant find anything on John Nicholson's birth and i cant find him on the 1841, 51, 61 or 71 census. I have no idea who his mother was either!?
Any help would be much appreciated :)
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Hi
There's a family tree with him on. No mother but father given as James Penman Nicholson 1808-1869 so there's a name to look for on census to see if he could be yours.
There is a wife for James P Elizabeth Berwick but I assume she wasn't his mother ???
Children are listed from the marriage starting 1835 and all Northumberland so really don't know if he was father before he married. No marriage date given.
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I have found the banns of their marriage as
John Nicholson of Huntingore ? and Sarah Elija Hall published at Kirk Deighton All Saints on the 20th July ,27th July and again on the 3 August 1873.
Regards Amber39
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One worth noting
This is a bit earlier than the 1833 birth date you give but does tie more neatly with the 1828 given in 1901
Name: John Nicholson
Christening Date: 10 Sep 1826
Christening Place: WIGHILL,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Nicholson
Mother's Name: Ellen
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Marriage, August 5th 1873 at Kirk Deighton
John Nicholson, age 40, Widower, Gardener, of Kirk Deighton
Sarah Hall, age 19, Spinster, of Kirk Deighton
Fathers: James Nicholson (Gardener) and John Hall (Shepherd)
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I have been looking at the chap in 1861 and 1871 married to Sarah.
1861 born Wickhill Park 1826 living Easingwold
1871 born Wickd Park 1826 living in Greatham, Durham
I can't see the family in 1881
He's a Gardener in 1871
Heywood
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I have been looking at the chap in 1861 and 1871 married to Sarah.
1861 born Wickhill Park 1826 living Easingwold
1871 born Wickd Park 1826 living in Greatham, Durham
I can't see the family in 1881
He's a Gardener in 1871
Is he the 1831 John b Wickhill with wife Sarah, in 1881?
RG11/4514/94/20
Keyboard86
Heywood
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One worth noting
This is a bit earlier than the 1833 birth date you give but does tie more neatly with the 1828 given in 1901
Name: John Nicholson
Christening Date: 10 Sep 1826
Christening Place: WIGHILL,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Nicholson
Mother's Name: Ellen
This looks like John Nicholson born Wighill and living in Rothwell, with his parents in 1851 :
HO107/2316, Folio 383, Page 21
When searching it's best not to include his year of birth.
Kind regards,
Pels.
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Again with his parents in 1841 :
1841 census :
HO107/1269/14, Folio 50, Page 22
Yorkshire,
Oulton with Township of Woodlesford
James Nicholson, 45, Gardener
Hellen, 50
Thomas, 20, Gardener
John, 14
George, 5
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Sarah Jackson, 4
All born in county.
Pels.
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1861 Census. Note this census confirms that John is born circa 1826. George 24 is his brother who we saw on the 1841 census
John Nicholson 35
Sarah Nicholson 45
Ellen Nicholson 11
John Nicholson 7
Ada Nicholson 6
George Nicholson 24
RG 9/3630/28; p: 3
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1871 Census
John Nicholson 45
Sarah Nicholson 55
Adah S Nicholson 16
William Nicholson 3
Mary Hougham 80
RG10/4913/32 Page 8
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Possible death of the first Sarah
Deaths Jun 1872
NICHOLSON Sarah 57 Northallerton 9d 340
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According to an online tree this is the first marriage
Marriages Dec 1848
NICHOLSON John Tadcaster 23 693
RIPLEY Sarah Tadcaster 23 693
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Possible death of the first Sarah
Deaths Jun 1872
NICHOLSON Sarah 57 Northallerton 9d 340
Thank goodness you have found this likely death. I was getting worried :)
1881 has Ada Beckwith and husband with brother John Nicholson living in Wigginton, York
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Thanks for all the help i am going to start looking in to all these possibilities, one thing that has me worried though is the ones found for 1826! I know sometimes census's can be a year or two out but this seems like such a large gap and all census's 1881 onwards have him as 1833 and his marriage in 1873 has him as 40 years old!?
I did assume that at this age of marriage the likelihood was he had been married previously.
And in regards to the last comment on an Ada Beckwith and husband having a John Nicholson (brother) living there, i have the 1881 census for John living with his "2nd" wife and children, however what makes this curious is my Great Grandfather (son of John) is John Beckwith Nicholson!
Also i forgot to mention i cannot find the 1891 census for him, i have his family (wife and children) but hes not there, then he reappears again in 1901 census
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........ one thing that has me worried though is the ones found for 1826! I know sometimes census's can be a year or two out but this seems like such a large gap and all census's 1881 onwards have him as 1833 and his marriage in 1873 has him as 40 years old!?
But in 1901 he says 1828 !
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I have seen where a family name, in this case John, is used for children of the same father but different mothers.
It might be that Ada's husband was a godparent or that they just liked the name Beckwith since it came into the family!
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very true i just noticed that on the 1901 census!
And although the 1881 census with ada would explain where there name Beckwith came from and i have to admit its too much of a coincidence to be looked over the John Nicholson (brother) living with her is far too young and i already have the 1881 census for him! Its all so confusing!
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1861 Census.
John Nicholson 35
Sarah Nicholson 45
Ellen Nicholson 11
John Nicholson 7
Ada Nicholson 6
George Nicholson 24
RG 9/3630/28; p: 3
Here are Ada (Beckwith) and her brother John Nicholson.
In 1881 she is 26yrs and he is 28 yrs.
I don't understand your reference to 1881 and being too young. John Beckwith Nicholson, her half brother, isn't born ntil 1889 (ish).
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Providing this is the right one - John's death registration claims he was born approx 1829/1830 :
Death, Jun qtr 1908
John Nicholson, aged 78
Wetherby, Vol 9a, page 83
Pels.
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Sorry completely my mistake, because i only have the children from the 2nd marriage and none from the 1st i was assuming we were talking about John senior being the brother of Ada (as i have none of his siblings either) but now i see John senior had technically 2 sons he named John, one in each marriage.
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Yes that's right.
davidft posted the 1861 and 1871 information with the children from the first marriage.