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I am looking for John Bilsdon in 1841.
In 1851 he is living in Uppingham in Meeting Lane, aged 35. Gives his place of birth as Uppingham so I expect he was there in 1841 too. Am looking for his family members.
Am also looking for any other Bilsdon families in Rutland in 1841, particularly Ayston or Uppingham.
Any help much appreciated as always,
many thanks
Helen
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Helen
I can send you the Ayston census as its not very large and badly written so you can decipher it yourself. Just PM me with your email addy.
As for Uppingham give me a couple of days as its 57 sheets to go through and he is not at the meeting place.
Paul
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Hi Helen
I have looked through Uppingham which again is quite poor and could only find these.
Ann Billsdon 22 Y
Uppingham Workhouse
Richard Bilsdon 70 Y
No john so far..........
Paul
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Hi Paul
Thanks for mailing me Ayston census....I found 1 John there but it is not the right one altho' I think they are connected.
Not sure where our John was then in 1841....could have been anywhere I guess tho' don't suppose he strayed too far from Uppingham.
Thanks for your efforts,
Cheers Helen
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Think I may be able to help you with this.
I am Aaron Bilsdon, Bath, Somerset. but have traced my family back to uppingham and as I recall to a John Bilsdon. I will post again to confirm details as I have nothing on me here at work at the moment.
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Hi Aaron,
Thanks for the message. If you do have any info on John Bilsdon I would be very grateful. There were 2 John Bilsdons - 1 born in Ayston who appears there in the 1841 census, and our one that was born in Uppingham.
Look forward to hearing from you again,
Best regards
Helen
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Yes John Bilsdon in Uppingham born 1816 is my line but I go back no further. did you get anywhere?
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Hi - I'm not sure if you still need any help with this, but I think I have found John & Elizabeth in 1841 in Rothwell Northants (wrongly transcribe on An**y) as Bilsam
HO107- 809 Bk 17
Parish Rothwell
So it seems as though they were married by then - this marriage from Free BMD looks possible to me
Marriages Dec 1840
BILSDON John Mt Harbor 15 257
CLARKE Elizabeth Mt. Harbro 15 257
GOODWIN Harriet Mt. Harbro 15 257
HOBBS Elizabeth Market Harborough 15 257
Page George Mt. Harbro' 15 257
PALMER William Mt. Harbro 15 257
Tea Sarah Mt. Harbro 15 257
WADDSWORTH William Mkt HArbro 15 257
Do you have any of the childrens birth certificates to give you the mother's maiden name? If not you can still send for the marriage certificate - but only fill out the Grooms details on the aplication, if it is the right one it will give you both their fathers.
:)
DebbieG
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just to confirm we are on the same people.
John Bilsdon (B1816-D1882) Born and died in Uppingham, Rutland
married Elizabeth (B1816 abt) Born in Toddington, Northamptonshire I think.
between them had about 9 children one of whom was Elizabeth born 1848 who had a son out of wedlock called Peter Bilsdon (taken the mothers surname) Born 1864 and he is my great great grandad and his is burried in Bath. I have his birth certificate and he was born as peter bilsdon and mother elizabeth bilsdon in uppingham workhouse and her father is john bilsdon.
I would really like to know his father but think that is probably impossible now.
I do not have the Birth Certificate or any of the 9 children but have been considering it just not got round to it and have only just found time again to start looking back into it.
do you have a public tree online somewhere?
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Also I have just taken your lead on a marriagein 1840 and on the same volume / page 15 257 there are two elizabeths registered one in mt.harbo just like the john record (elizabeth clarke) and market harborough (elizabeth hobbs).
Though looking at the original record I can't see where they goot the maiden name from.
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Hi,
I have just been trawling the Uppingham Parish Register fiche and not many occurrences of the surname Bilsdon.
Baptism
Mary, daughter of Daniel and Mary Bilsdon 1 March 1819
Burial
Mary Bilsdon 28 January 1823 infant (No. 304)
Daniel Bilsdon 20 February 1823 aged 25 (No.306)
Marriage
John Morris aka John Morris Kipping, bachelor and Elizabeth Bilsdon, widow both OTP by banns 18 June 1827 (No.168) Witness Alice Bilsdon.
Crowboy
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Hi awb
Yes I am fairly sure you have your family line back correct through Peter Bilsden (b 1865), his unmarried mother Elizabeth Bilsden (b 1848) to her parents John & Elizabeth. I have checked them through the various census years and it all seems to work fine.
I should say though that I am not related, I just like finding things for people, so although I do have trees on-line they won't help you.
with the bits that Crowboy found I am starting to get a clue as to what might have happened. - Will be back in a bit
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DebbieG
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Right, I have a theory that the Daniel who died in 1823 may have been the father of John born 1816, at first I thought he would be too young as he was only 25 when he died so born 1798 ish, but it is possible.
I found a marriage in the IGI
DANIEL BILSDEN
Spouse: ELIZABETH CLEAR
Marriage: 06 NOV 1815 Loddington, Leicester
then I found this baptism - also IGI
ANN BILSDEN
Birth: 20 MAY 1821
Christening: 17 JUN 1821 Wesleyan Methodist, Oakham, Rutland
Father: DANIAL BILSDEN
Mother: ELIZABETH CLEAR
The Weslyan records are only in the IGI from 1816 - 1837 so it is possible that John's baptism was just before this.
From Crowboy we know that Daniel died in 1823
Then there is the marriage in 1827 of Elizabeth Bilsden widow to John Morris (Kipping?) he seems to have gone under the name of John Morris. I believe this is Daniel's widow getting remarried.
I have found John Morris and Elizabeth with two sons Joseph (12) and William (11) in 1841 on Meeting Lane, Uppingham
I think it looks possible, if you do get the 1840 marriage certificate for John it will hopefully say that his father is Daniel (deceased) - if not we will know my theory is wrong.
:D
DebbieG
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Sadly Elizabeth died in 1850 - buried 29th Jan 1850 in Uppingham aged 59, so we can't find her in the 1851 census.
I did find her widowed husband John Morris though - still living on Meeting Lane born 1787 London Middlesex, a Chelsea Pensioner.
John Morris was buried in Uppingham 1st November 1859 aged 72
DebbieG
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I am looking for the baptism of Elizabeth Bilsdon nee Clear about 1791. Elizabeth married my ggg grandfather, John Morris, in 1827. They had 3 sons, Joseph, William and Thomas who died in 1840 of scarlet fever. Thanks to DebbieG I have now ordered my ggg grandmother's death certificate in 1850.
I have found Daniel and Elizabeth's daughter, Ann Bilsdon, in 1841. She married William Frisby in 1840 in Uppingham and is living in Wing, Rutland with him in 1841 and also living there is William Bilsdon (recorded as Balsdon) aged 25, Frances Bilsdon aged 45 and Frances Bilsdon aged 15. There's about 3 Ann Frisby deaths recorded in Uppingham in 1844 and 1845 so Ann may have died and possibly William remarried.
JMorris2 in Oz
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Dear Helen,
I could only find 2 John Bilsdons in 1841, one in Ayston, one in Preston. The Preston John is 39 and has a 73yr old John living with him, both Labourers.
The Ayston John, b.1804, is the son of Thomas and Mary.
Your John b.1816 has a son, Daniel, and I'm looking for a Daniel b. abt 1790 so they may be connected. John may have been born to Daniel Bilsdon and Elizabeth Clear (my ggg grandmother) who married in 1815. I've ordered films for their marriage and baptism of their daughter, Ann, b.1821 so hopefully I will find some more Bilsdons soon.
JMorris2
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wow, you have all made some great progress, I must find time to do some more research, others research makes you want to drive for more.