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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: snootycat on Thursday 29 August 13 00:15 BST (UK)
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Hi,
would be grateful with some help sorting out my fathers line as I have ground to a complete halt. My father was Harold Alfred Frederick Tucker, his father was Alfred Tucker 1878 -1944 born city rd London, and dying in Edmonton. His father William John Tucker married to Betsy Porter, born 1839-in Denmark Street St Giles and dying 1925. I have good records on him. Where I start to run into problems is with his father. I have a Richard Henry Tucker, born 1811, who married a Charlotte Tillyer in 1834,resident in St Anne Soho, described as a tailor, back in St Giles in 1851 and at St Pancras in 1861. I run into a complete full stop with his parents, who I have little info on other than a name Richard Tucker and a wife Elizabeth Hodder. Looking around in the records even more confusingly there is ANOTHER Richard Tucker married to a Charlotte who even had a son called William, this chap lived in Devon. Its rather confusing because I am wondering why I cant track Richard Tuckers parents and if I have made a error somewhere? Would be grateful for any help in getting over the Richard Tucker hurdle!
Thanks
Pam
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It's always best to separate info as it reads better
Harold Alfred Frederick Tucker was born when and where?
His father was Alfred Tucker b City Rd London 1878 - died 1944 Edmonton - who was his mother?
Alfred's father was William John Tucker b 1839 who married Betsy Porter (they married 7.5.1865). 1851 shows William's birthplace as St Ann's Middlesex
William John's father was Richard Henry Tucker b 1811 who married Charlotte Tillyer in 1834. No birthplace given for Richard - 1851 shows Lambeth Surrey
I run into a complete full stop with his parents, who I have little info on other than a name Richard Tucker and a wife Elizabeth Hodder
Where did you get that info from?
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Hi Pam
There is a baptism for Richard Tucker, 29 March 1810 at St Mary Lambeth, mother Susan, no father shown.
As Carole asks, where did your info on Richard Tucker who married Charlotte Tillyer come from?
Dawn
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I have a Richard Henry Tucker, born 1811, who married a Charlotte Tillyer in 1834,resident in St Anne Soho
Where did the Henry come from? Marriage entry only shows Richard as does 1841/51/61 entries
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Richard Tucker & Elizabeth Hodder married at St George Hanover Square, 19 October 1807, witnesses were Francis Tucker & Catherine Cockren
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Hello,
gosh I have got several replies. Yes I have the record of the marriage at Hanover Square, and I got the names of people by going backwards through the census records. If anyone wants to see my tree I will open it up on Ancestry to public view for a while. It isnt normally open because of a family feud. Its the Chan family tree, I suspect there is only one of them. Tucker is on my fathers side. The records for the Tuckers are quite good until I hit Richard. I will just check what its called!
Thank you all for your help, it would be nice to go back more on the family name.
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http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5579658/family
This is the link to my tree. It is the Chan family tree.......
Hope this helps. Saves putting up all my sources.
Pam
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Hi Pam
the link doesn't work without a valid subscription.
Dawn
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Ok, found the tree on mundia.com
The Richard Henry Tucker you have links to is not your ancestor!
using the probate calendar, his address at death is given as Sherborne Street, Marylebone.
Looking at the 1881 census and working backwards, he is at Sherborne Street 1881 & 1871, at 65 Charlotte Street in 1861 and Clipstone Street in 1851 with wife Jane. His place of birth is consistently shown as Westminster and his later children were all born in Marylebone.
Dawn
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I had a sideways look at Charlotte Tillyer, her baptism (surname Tyllier) seems to be 23 October 1814 at St Mary the Virgin, Bedfont.
Do you have her death cert or are you just using the indexes?
Back to Richard, who married Charlotte, do you have a physical source for his parents being named as Richard & Elizabeth or are you using other peoples trees?
Richard Tucker married Mary Ann Roberts 9 Nov 1857 at St Andrew Barnsbury (she is on 1861 census as M A Tucker daughter in law under Richard's name)
Agnes Tucker married William Day 5 Aug 1866 at St George Bloomsbury
Dawn
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Hi, I am pretty certain back to the tillyers but will have to relook at my tree and get back to you,I must have got his name from somewhere! ???
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Ok, I got William John Tucker from the 81 census. My grandfather was called Alfred Tucker. In the 81 census a William John tucker is married to a Betsy Porter. They have a three year old child named Alfred. Are you suggesting that this is not correct?
Thanks
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No, I'm suggesting that Richard Henry Tucker 1810-1883 is not correct.
I started at the probate calendar entry for this man and worked backwards.
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Please see the last part of my reply at #3. There is no evidence that his middle name was Henry as confirmed by Dawn in her later replies
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Oh I see, I will go and have another look.
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OK, so do you think that his name was simply Richard Tucker and he married a Charlotte Tillyer, and the detail is wrong because I have accessed the wrong man in other matters?
Thank you
Pam
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Yes - as Dawn has shown in her earlier replies - Richard Henry Tucker is a different person and not connected to the line you are looking at
Given that Richard shows his birthplace as Lambeth on census records - Dawn's baptism find is the likeliest match
There is a baptism for Richard Tucker, 29 March 1810 at St Mary Lambeth, mother Susan, no father shown.
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I am so sorry if I sound a bit dense...............no charlotte at all then? Thats a pain. I have even visited the church where they got married! My Richard married someone else? What a shame! It was one of the few well recorded events!!!
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I find London a bit confusing!
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I am really quite depressed about that :'( I will tap in the new name asap, although it may not be tonight and see what it throws up. I was really quite impressed that at least ONE of my ancestors had a trade. They are a really common lot! And I was pleased to visit the church and convinced myself one of my ancestors got married there! Took pics and everything :'(
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I had better ask someone to cross check my mothers lineage back to Trowbridge in Boldre!!! A fresh pair of eyes is often very useful. I have been there as well, and was just about to buy a plot in the churchyard so I could be buried in the same place as my ancestors!!!! Wouldnt it be aweful if I got it wrong! I will put up a seperate request
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Don't depair !
It is quite probable your Richard Tucker did marry Charlotte Tillyer.
What you seem to have assumed wrongly is that your Richard Tucker and Richard Henry Tucker are the same person, which we now know he isn't. So you don't have a death for your Richard Tucker.
Do you have Charlotte Tucker's actual death cert? you seem to have picked up an entry in the death index registered at Hendon.
Where did you get the info from that Richard Tucker and Elizabeth Hodder were his parents?
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So sorry to take so long to get back to you, I have my son over from Hong Kong and its the school holidays so babysitting etc!. I have the 1841 census which says that charlotte was married to a Richard who was a tailor , plus Pallots marriage index and the banns of marriage, which doesnt say much in those days. It says charlotte married a richard but no details as to occupation etc and the witness seems to have been a master of something or the other, possibly he was an apprentice? So I know charlotte definately married a richard....................can you see my tree at all?
I am not sure where the henry came from. I can check but it may ber later tonight.
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Hi Pam
I have done some more research but still keep coming back to Richard being baptised in Lambeth but no father is shown as per my earlier reply. Of course it may not be the same Richard but no other entry seems to be a likely candidate. The other scenarios are that he may have grown up in Lambeth but not been born or baptised there or not baptised at all.
The marriage to Charlotte was before 1837 so no father is shown on the parish register entry.
Enjoy your family time.
Dawn
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Thanks for your help.....I am now completely confused ???
Its quite hard to follow when you dont have all the details in front of you.............what are the implications?
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Gee whiz. This has been posted quite some years ago. Don't know that you are still searching. I am from Australia and researching my cousins line of TUCKER. I have just come across the death of Charles Tucker in Victoria with father RICHARD TUCKER & CHARLOTTE TILLYARD. Hope you are still looking at this family. Julie Burnett