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Hello everyone. I am in desperate need of help searching for my grandmother's family. I know that her Grandfather's name was Charles Shadwell and i have since found out that he was married to a Sarah Hook. I also know that my grandmother's mother was named Ellen Rose Louise Shadwell and that she married Edward Hanify in Ontario Canada sometime after the turn of the century. I am mainly looking for more information about Charles and Sarah and their lives in England. And also possibly some distant relatives if there are any still around. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi,
A warm welcome to RootsChat :)
A Charles Shadwell married Sarah Hook in the Portsea Island Registration District, Hampshire in the September Quarter 1893. The birth of an Ellen Rose L Shadwell was registered in the same district in the December Quarter 1895.
The 1901 census has:
The Old Priory, Portsmouth
Charles Shadwell, Head, Mar, 29, Carpenter born Devizes Wiltshire
Sarah, Wife, Mar, 30, born Alderney, Channel Islands
Fredk, Son, 7, born Portsmouth
Ellen, Daur, 5, born Portsmouth
Cecilia,, Daur, 6 months, born Portsmouth
Is this the correct family?
Regards,
Mo
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It seems to be all of the information matches up. With one slight change. After doing a google search (how i found this site) I had noticed another member looking for the same family and someone had posted information pertaining to a ships manifest that the family traveled on heading to Canada. In that Charles is listed as a Laborer however here he is listed as a Carpenter. I assumed that Laborers were men without a trade.
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Looks like it was the right Family.
Cecilia Freda J Shadwells' Birth is Reg Oct 1900 Portsmouth, Hampshire
Ellen Rose L Shadwell's Birth was Reg Oct 1895 Portsea Isaland, Hampshire
Cecilia Freda Shadwell married Wm Edward Davies in Canada
Trish :)
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Now that is some new information. We never knew Cecilia also married an Edward. Albeit a William Edward. :P Do any of ya'll know if there is a way to find out more about Charles' family?
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Yes, I can follow them back on Census but its late here in Oz..
1861 Census Charles' Father JOHN is born c 1826 Shipton, Hampshire (occp Groom/Gardener) is Married to a ELIZA
By 1871 Married to a ANN/E M and Charles is not yet born.
If you go to Familysearch.Org you can see the 1881 Census;
Search;
Charley Shadwell born c 1873 Devizes, Wiltshire
www.familysearch.org
I think this is the second Marriage;
John SHADWELL/Ann Mary PART, Sept 1870, Devizes, 5a 164
Trish
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Does this relate to your Charles Shadwell?
Charles Shadwell age 50 (1874 Devizes) Widower occ Carpenter
Relig: Baptist Father John Shadwell Mother Mary Part
Spouse Name: Beatrice Donnelly age 38 (1886) Weatworth Chasty Ont. Widow Reg. Presbytarian
Spouse Father Name: Emerson B Howard Spouse Mother Name: Alice Bennett
Marriage Date: 20 May 1924 Toronto York
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Thank you Trish. That is a big help. :)
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If no one else helps you with Census etc I will be back on tomorrow night.
JOHN Shadwell Christened 17 April 1825, Shipton-Bellinger, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Parents CHARLES/JANE
Charles SHADWELL Married Jane MACHLAND, 05 May 1823, Shipton-Bellinger, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Source Familysearch.Org
Trish :)
EDIT, Looks like him to me Ladyhawke (2nd Marriage I presume)
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This appears to be the death of Charles father John
John Shadwell of 25 Bridewell Street Devizes retired gardener died 27 Apr 1905 Wiltshire
Probate Date: 9 May 1905 to Lydia Shadwell spinster Effects £249 1s. 9d
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1901
RG13; Piece: 1927; Folio: 107; Page: 37
Carriage Works Shops
25 Nursery Devizes
John Shadwell 76 Shipton Hants Gardener (not domestic) own a/c
Ann Mary 63 Cricklade Wiltshire
1891 census
RG12; Piece: 1599; Folio: 133; Page: 12
11 High Street Devizes Wiltshire
John Shadwell 65 Shipton Hants Gardener
Ann M 53 Cricklade Wilts
CHARLES 18 Devizes Carpenter's Apprentice
William 13 ‘’
plus 1 boarder & 2 lodgers
1871
RG10; Piece: 1915; Folio: 36; Page: 20
John Shadwell 45 Shipton Gardener
Anne M 34 Cricklade
James 13 Devizes
Jesse 10
Lydia 8
Ellen A 5
1 lodger
1861
RG 9; Piece: 1293; Folio: 120; Page: 18
John Shadwell 36 Shipton Hants Groom & Gardener
Eliza 29
Albert 4
James 3
Jesse 9 mths
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1901
RG13; Piece: 986; Folio: 118; Page: 8
The Old Priory Portsmouth
CHAS Shadwell 29 Devizes Carpenter
Sarah 30 Isle Alderney Channel Islands
Fredk 7 Portsmouth Hants
Ellen 5 ‘’
Cecilia 6 mths ‘’
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Cecilia Freda (Bessie) Shadwell age 18 Portsmouth England
Father Charles Shadwell Mother Helen Hooke
Spouse Name: Wm Edward Davies age 19 Toronto Ontario
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Davies Spouse Mother Name: Mary Evans
Marriage 10 Jun 1919 York
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Emma Shadwell wife 34,
Fred child 11,
Ellen child 9 &
Cecilia child 5
Departure Date: 7 Jun 1906 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Canada
There’s also this entry Canadian Passenger list
Mrs Shadwell 34 going to husband Carpenter
Fred 11, Ellen 9 & Cecilia Shadwell 5 Passengers came from Alderney
Date of Arrival: 15 Jun 1906
Vessel: Canada port of arrival Montreal Quebec port dept. Liverpool
Detroit Border Crossings & Passenger & Crew List 1905 - 1957
Bessie Shadwell
Arrival Date: 13 Jun 1917
Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1901 Portsmouth England
Race/Nationality: Irish
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied by: Mother Helen
Departure Contact: Father Chas Shadwell
Arrival Contact: Brother-in-law Edw Hanify
Description of Bessie
Ht. 5ft 7 in complexion fair Hair brown eyes blue
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I was thinking it wasn't him although everything else does seem to match up. If the one that Ladyhawk posted is my Great-Great Grandfather then he must have returned to England sometime after Cecilia and Ellen got married. And then remarried himself. It makes me wonder what happened to Sarah. And if that is his father it means he died a year before Charles moved Sarah and the kids to Canada. Now I am curious what the term "Devizes" means. And to why Charles' wife's name keeps changing. First it is Sarah then on one post I saw elsewhere on this site it is listed as Emma and now it appears to be Helen. This is getting rather intriguing to me. It's kinda like an archaeological dig to find out the truth.
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Everyone has been busy since I last looked ;D
Devizes is a town in Wiltshire.
Mo
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Now I am curious what the term "Devizes" means.
It's a market town in Wiltshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devizes
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Ahh okay. I was curious. So Charles and his family were from the town originally. That makes sense. I always assumed that Charles's family was always from Surrey and then moved to Hampshire before moving to Canada. Now it seems Charles was from Devizes and then moved to Hampshire and then Canada and then sometime after his children were married moved back to Surrey.
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Now it seems Charles was from Devizes and then moved to Hampshire and then Canada and then sometime after his children were married moved back to Surrey.
Do you know the date of all the marriages of his children ?
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Sadly I don't although Ellen had to have married Edward Hanify sometime before 1917 because that is the year my Grandmother was born. And Ellen and Edward were married by the time she came along.
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Mm.... something puzzling me as Helen / Bessie SHADWELL born IRELAND
Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
Helen Shadwell 43 Birthplace: Inneskillen Ireland
Arrival Date: 13 Jun 1917
Race/Nationality: Irish
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied by: Daughter Bessie
Departure Contact: Husband Chas Shadwell Lake Show Road
Arrival Contact: Son-in-law Edw Hanify
Name: Helen & Bessie Shadwell
Arrival Date: 13 Jan 1918
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Helen Shadwell 1873 Ireland occ Nurse WIDOW
Arrival Date: Sep 1922
Port of Arrival: International Falls, Minnesota, United States
Residence Country: Canada
Race/Nationality: Irish
Nearest relative daughter Mrs W T or E Davies 29 Billiar St Toronto Ont.
Sorry got to go but will take a look tomorrow
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That is intriguing as well. I knew my Grandmother had some connection to Ireland but i had just assumed that that came from Ellen's Husband Edward Hanify. And I know there is a connection to Surrey somewhere through Charles because I found a letter written from one of my grandmother's relatives in Surrey related to Charles thanking her for her visit to them when she was in her late teens.
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Sadly I don't although Ellen had to have married Edward Hanify sometime before 1917 because that is the year my Grandmother was born. And Ellen and Edward were married by the time she came along.
Marriage 16 May 1915 York
Helen Rose Louise Shadwell age 19
Father Name: Chas Shadwell Mother ELLEN Hook
Spouse Name: Edward Hanify age 31 born US father John mother Mary Quirk
Helen Rose Louise Hanify age 19 England
father Chas Shadwell Humber Bay ONT.
Arrival Date: Jun 1915 Port of Arrival: Port Huron, Michigan, United States
Residence Country: Canada
The info. ties in with your post naming Ellen Rose Louisa Shadwell’s husband as Ed Hanify
1901 census gives Ellen’s mothers name as SARAH born c1870 Alderney YET the info. below gives her name as HELEN born c1874 IRELAND ???
previously given but thought it easier to view if they are altogether
Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
Helen Shadwell age 43 (b1874) Birthplace: Inneskillen Ireland
Arrival Date: 13 Jun 1917
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied by: Daughter Bessie
Departure Contact: Husband Chas Shadwell Lake Show Road
Arrival Contact: Son-in-law Edw Hanify
Helen & Bessie Shadwell Arrival Date: 13 Jan 1918 Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
I’m assuming that Mrs W E/T EDWARDS is daughter Cecilia and again
Helen Shadwell 1873 Ireland occ Nurse WIDOW
Arrival Date: Sep 1922 Port of Arrival: International Falls, Minnesota, United States
Residence Country: Canada
Nearest relative daughter Mrs W T or E Davies 29 Billiar St Toronto Ont.
And from this marriage info. daughter Cecilia goes by the name of BESSIE
Marriage 10 Jun 1919 York
Cecilia Freda (Bessie) Shadwell age 18 Portsmouth England
Father Charles Shadwell Mother Helen Hooke
Spouse Name: Wm Edward Davies age 19 Toronto Ontario
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Davies Spouse Mother Name: Mary Evans
Canadian Passenger list
Mrs Shadwell 34 going to husband Carpenter
Fred 11, Ellen 9 & Cecilia Shadwell 5 Passengers came from Alderney
Date of Arrival: 15 Jun 1906
Vessel: Canada port of arrival Montreal Quebec port dept. Liverpool
This entry also seems to be above family NO idea why she is named as Emma can only thing they made a mistake or misheard ??? ::
Viewed the name again on the original it doesn't look like Ellen or Hellen it's certainly not Sarah
UK Outward Passenger Lists 1890 - 1960
No of ticket 42548
Emma Shadwell wife 34,
Fred child 11,
Ellen child 9 &
Cecilia child 5
Departure Date: 7 Jun 1906 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Canada
I’m looking to see if I can find Charles on a passenger list to confirm his occupation (not seeing anything on Anc*y) there is an entry on FindMyPast - sorry I don’t have sub.to check that for you :(
Charles SHADWELL 1873 M 1906 Liverpool Canada Halifax
1901 c SHADWELL family living The Priory Portsmouth
Charles born c1874 Devizes Wiltshire occ CARPENTER
Sarah born c 1870 Alderney Channel Islands
Fredk born 1894 Portsmouth
Ellen born 1896 Portsmouth
Cecilia born 1901 Portsmouth
Might be worth looking at Census records in Canada to see if you can find either person on their own or together also Electoral Registers might help
This looks to be son Fredk birth entry
Frederick Charles L Shadwell Jun 1894 Portse Island Hampshire
Frederick Charles Shadwell occ Carpenter’s Helper
Residence: Mimico, Ontario
Birth Date: 14 May 1894
Birth Location: Portsmouth, England
Relative: Mrs Helen Shadwell mother Humber Bay Ontario
Regiment Number: 778424
127th York Rangers, Overseas BN C.E.F
he also served with 10th Royal Grenadiers Toronto
18th January 1916
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After talking to my Dad he remembered an Aunt Bessie who was Grandma's mother's sister that came to visit my Grandmother when he was a boy sometime in the mid 50s. I cannot find anything out about Charles dying anywhere. Also the two records I have from Ellen and Edward list Ellen's mother Helen but also as Sarah. And it does make sense in a round about way for her to have two different pobs. There is a record on another site of Helen/Sarah's father being a Military man so he may have been stationed in Alderney and if that is the case when they came to North America they may have decided to list her pob as Alderney instead of Ireland. Because at that time the Irish in both Canada and the States weren't treated the best.
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After talking to my Dad he remembered an Aunt Bessie who was Grandma's mother's sister that came to visit my Grandmother when he was a boy sometime in the mid 50s.
I cannot find anything out about Charles dying anywhere.
Also the two records I have from Ellen and Edward list Ellen's mother Helen but also as Sarah. And it does make sense in a round about way for her to have two different pobs.
a record on another site of Helen/Sarah's father being a Military man so he may have been stationed in Alderney and if that is the case when they came to North America they may have decided to list her pob as Alderney instead of Ireland. Because at that time the Irish in both Canada and the States weren't treated the best.
That's great that you have been able to find that info.
From Mosiefish
Charles SHADWELL married Sarah HOOK Sep qtr. 1893 Portsea Island District Hampshire
birth entry same district Dec qtr. 1895
Ellen Rose L SHADWELL
From trish
Cecilia Freda J Shadwell Oct 1900 Portsmouth
This looks to be Fredk birth entry
Frederick Charles L Shadwell Jun 1894 Portsea Island Hampshire
1901 census family living The Priory Portsmouth
Charles born c1874 Devizes Wiltshire occ CARPENTER
Sarah born c 1870 Alderney Channel Islands
Fredk born 1894 Portsmouth
Ellen born 1896 Portsmouth married (see reply from Trish)
Cecilia born 1901 Portsmouth married Wm Edward DAVIES in Canada (see reply 3 from Trish)
Here’s Charles with his parents
1891 census RG12; Piece: 1599; Folio: 133; Page: 12
11 High Street Devizes Wiltshire
John Shadwell 65 Shipton Hants Gardener
Ann M 53 Cricklade Wilts
CHARLES 18 Devizes Carpenter's Apprentice
William 13 ‘’
plus 1 boarder & 2 lodgers
these 4 SHADWELL children mother must be Ann Mary Shadwell nee PART
Ellen , Mary, Charley & William
nothing on Wiltshire BMD to confirm mmn :(
obtaining Charles Shadwell’s b/c or one of the other children would give you confirmation of their mother’s maiden name
1871 census RG10; Piece: 1915; Folio: 36; Page: 20
John Shadwell 45 Shipton Gardener
Anne M 34 Cricklade
James 13 Devizes
Jesse 10
Lydia 8
Ellen A 5
1 lodger
1870 Devizes John Shadwell married Ann Mary PART (from Trish reply 5)
from Wiltshire BMD married 1870 Devizes Register Office or Registrar Attended
1861 census RG 9; Piece: 1293; Folio: 120; Page: 18
John Shadwell 36 Shipton Hants Groom & Gardener
Eliza 29 Poulshot
Albert 4
James 3
Jesse 9 mths
children Albert, James, Jesse & Lydia SHADWELL mother’s maiden name is WHITE
(source Wiltshire BMD)
1855 marriage Pewsey (FreeBMD) John Shadwell to Elvira WHITE and from
Wiltshire BMD married 1855 Devizes Register Office or Registrar Attended
I wondered if Elvira/Eliza SHADWELL possibly died during/after child birth and found these entries
Sep 1869 Devizes Elvira Shadwell died age 38 (b1831)
Sep 1869 Devizes Charles Shadwell he died Dec 1869 Devizes
1871 RG10; Piece: 1241; Folio: 94; Page: 7 - Shipton
Jane Shadwell Head widow 73 Bulford (she died age 78 andover hampshire 1876)
1861 RG 9; Piece: 714; Folio: 60; Page:
Jane Shadwell Head Widow 64 Bulford
Alice Shadwel gd/dau 6 Shipton
1851 HO107; Piece: 1683; Folio: 228; Page: 16
Charles Shadwell 54 Shipton labourer
Jane 53 Bulford Wiltshire
JOHN 26 Shipton Hampshire labourer
1841 HO107; Piece: 384; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Shipton Bellinger ED10; Folio: 5; Page: 4
Charles Shadwell 44 Ag. Lab.
Jane 43
William 16 Shepherd
JOHN 15
details as given by Trish
JOHN Shadwell Christened 17 April 1825, Shipton-Bellinger, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Parents CHARLES/JANE
Charles SHADWELL Married Jane MACHLAND, 05 May 1823, Shipton-Bellinger, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Source Familysearch.Org
this looks to be Charles christening
Charles Shadwellll 15 Jan 1797 Shipton-Bellinger, Hamshire, England
Father's Name: William Shadwell Mother's Name: Hannah
and their marriage
Wm SHADWELL to Hannah PEARCE14 Jul 1789 Shipton Bellinger Hampshire
source familysearch.org
Please ask if you require any furth er information
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Thank you that helps me out a ton. I am grateful to everyone on this site for the help they have provided you don't know how much.
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Confirming mothers name also Sarah
Birth York Toronto
Amelia born 11 July 1908
father Charles SHADWELL occ Carpenter 136 Sydenham St
mother SARAH Hook
death 16 Jul 1908 York
Amelia Shadwell age 6 days 136 Synendham St
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Excellent work Ladyhawke :)
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Thanks Trish :)
Sarah is named Helen on the 1891 census
1891 RG12; Piece: 774; Folio: 123
8 Royal Parade Eastbourne Sussex
Head Elizabeth Chomarat 62 Lodging House Keeper
Helen Hook age 20 (1871) Alderney Channel Islands Domestic Servant
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1861 Census
3 Morris's Lane,
Devizes, Wiltshire
RG9/1293/30/13
Mary PART, 49, Head, Widow, Dress and Straw Bonnet Maker, born Abingdon, Berkshire
ANNE M, 23, Daug, Unm, Dressmaker, born Cricklade, Wiltshire
Helena, 13, Daug, Dressmaker, born Meysey Hampton, Gloucestershire
Anna, 10, Daug, Scholar, born Meysey Hampton
Charles I, 9, Son, Scholar, born Cricklade, Wiltshire
1851 Census
Maiseyhampton, Gloucestershire
HO107/1968/604/5
Mary PART, 39, Head, Mar, Post Mistress, born Abingdon, Berkshire
William, 14, Son
ANN MARY, 13, Daug
Henry, 12, Son
Elizabeth, 10, Daug
Emily Jane, 9, Daug
Frederick, 7, Son
John, 5, Son
Helena, 3, Daug
Anna, 8mths, Daug
All Children except Helena/Anna born Cricklade, Wiltshire.
1851 Census Joseph PART age 47, born c 1804 Maisey Hampton, Gloucestershire, Mar, Occp Postman, is Lodging with the Boultons in Cricklade
1841 Census
Chelworth Wharf,
Cricklade, Wiltshire
HO107/1178/6/ St Sampson Cricklade
Joseph PART, 35, Horse Breaker
Mary, 25
William, 4
ANN, 3
Henry, 2
Elizabeth, 10 Mths
Mary QUARRELL, 13, Female Servant
Joseph/Mary NOT born in County all others are.
Marriage from FreeREG;
02 December 1833, St John, Devizes, Wiltshire
Joseph PART of Cricklade Parish
Mary QUARRELL
Trish :)
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Great work Trish :)
I wonder if this might be Sarah/Helen on 1881c, although middle initial is given as ‘A’ ???
Do you know her father's name - you mentioned previously he was in the Army
1881 RG11; Piece: 1163; Folio: 80; Page: 30
3 Lavinia Road Alverstoke Hampshire
Thomas HOOK 40 Oxted Surrey Ag Lab.
Ellen 35 Avon Hants
SARAH A 10 Alderney
Charlotte F 8 Isle Of Wight Hants
Charles F T 7 Hurst Castle
John E 5
Rose A Alverstoke
Rose A WATERIDGE sister in law 22
2 Boarders & 1 visitor
Ellen Wateridge Christening 11 Jan 1846Sopley, Southampton, Hampshire
Father Charles Wateridge mother Anne
Rose Anna Wateridge Christening 17 Oct 1858 Sopley, Southampton, Hampshire
Father Charles Wateridge mother Anne
1861c RG 9; Piece: 667; Folio: 77; Page: 24
Charles WATERIDGE 46 Twyford Hampshire Shepherd (married 1843 Ann GILES)
Ann 40
ELLEN 15 Sopley
Henry 14
William 12
George 11
John 8
Fanny 6
Michael 4
ROSANA 2
Giles 9mths
1891 RG12; Piece: 1599; Folio: 153; Page: 12
11 Bridwell St Devizes Wiltshire
Thomas HOOK 50 Oxted Surrey Labourer
Ellen 45, John E 15, Rosa A 10 & Lavina May 6
1901 RG13; Piece: 979; Folio: 24; Page: 39
31 Arthur St. Portsmouth
Thomas Hook 60 Oxted Surrey Pensioner Army : Labourer gen.
Ellen 53, John 25 Carter Builders , Rose 20 Dom. Servant
1911c is free to search on Anc*y for a limited time you will find Thomas’ wife living with their married daughter
Thomas with his parents in 1851
1851 HO107; Piece: 1600; Folio: 166; Page: 15
Thomas HOOK 41 Manchester Gardener
Mary Ann 42 Tanbridge Surrey
Anna 21
Harriett 17
John 14
THOMAS 10 Oxted Surrey
Ellen Smith niece 1
Thomas Hook Christening Date: 15 Aug 1841 Tandridge Surrey
Father Thomas Hook mother Mary
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Yes, I think you have the right Hook ;D
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I know nothing of Sarah's family and thanks to everyone here I know a lot about Charles'. My Grandmother doesn't really remember anything about her Grandfather nor does she talk about his family. It seems as though sometime either after my Grandmother was born or a little before it something happened to cause Ellen to become estranged from the rest of the family and Grandma is being very tight lipped about what.
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I know nothing of Sarah's family and thanks to everyone here I know a lot about Charles'.
My Grandmother doesn't really remember anything about her Grandfather nor does she talk about his family.
It seems as though sometime either after my Grandmother was born or a little before it something happened to cause Ellen to become estranged from the rest of the family and Grandma is being very tight lipped about what.
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Would you prefer that we not add anything else to the thread in case it causes any upset
-you can always be sent a PM (personal message) so only you can view details
I have amended my post and removed the 1924 marriage - I wouldn't like to cause any family upset if this might have been the reason - if you need the details again I can send them to you via a PM :)
Can I check that we have not mentioned any person/s names known to be living?
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Oh no it's fine. My Grandmother lives halfway across the country (me in Alabama her in California) and she doesn't even know my Dad is interested in her family. I think it's because she is so tight lipped about them that he wants to know. He is starting to get curious to where he comes from.
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There is the death entry but it's on FindMyPast - have know way of knowing if it might be your Charles - you need credits to view
British nationals died overseas 1818-2005
Charles SHADWELL At sea 1944
looking at Anc*y it's probably this chap which means he can be ruled him out
Charles Shadwell Age: 54 Merchant Navy
Death Date: 7 Aug 1944
Cemetery: The Tower Hill Memorial Part XIV Sea-Sty
Burial Country: England
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register
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No middle name given for wife ??? Mrs Charles Shadwell
Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Charles Shadwell occ Carpenter
Location: York, Ontario
Electoral District: York South Year: 1940
address 557 McRoberts Avenue
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this might be them shame the didn't name his occupation,
again Mrs C Shadwell & also another Mrs Shadwell living at the same address
C Shadwell Occupation: Retired
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Electoral District: Davenport Year: 1949
425 Dufferin Street
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US City Directories 1821 - 1989 Buffalo, New York, City Directory, 1922
Charles Shadwell occ. Carpenter
Residence Year: 1922
Street Address: 421 Niagara Residence Place: Buffalo, New York
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Hopefully if someone has access to FindMyPast they can give you Army Pension details of Thomas HOOK
British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Thomas HOOK born 1841 Oxted, Surrey WO97 Chelsea
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It was puzzling me why no details were showing up for the SHADWELL’s on 1911 Canadian Census
This explains why surname SHAWELL says Helen spouse is Phoebe ::)
address Lake Shaw Road
(this is the same contact address given for Chas shadwell for Helen & Bessie Shadwell on their 1917 Detroit Border crossing)
Charles 38 occ Carpenter born 28 Aug 1872 Yr Immigration 1902
Helen 39 born 9 Jan 1871 yr immigration 1904
Frederic 17 born 17 May 1894
Ellen 15 born 15 Nov 1895
Cecilia 10 born 10 Oct 1900
all born England, all Baptist
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If we have the correct Sarah Hook on the census with her parents Thomas Hook & Ellen Wateridge - see reply No 30
her brother Charles was in the Army
Charles Frederick Thomas Hook
Age at enlistment: 14
Birth Parish: Hurst Castle
Document Year: 1888
Regimental Number: 67590
Regiment Name: Royal Artillery
Number of images: 6
Joined 13 Jun 1888 age 14 yrs 3mths enlisted Devizes 12 Jun ‘88
Ht 4ft 11in complexion Fair Hair Red eyes Grey Rel: Wesleyan
Home 12 June 1888 to 19 Feb ‘90
Jamaica 20 Feb ’90 to 16 Nov ‘91
Name of Next of Kin
father Thomas Hook 11 Bridwell Pl Devizes, mother Ellen
Charles died at Port Royal Jamaica of Yellow Fever 16 Nov ‘91
If you can obtain the 1893 marriage certificate of Charles Shadwell to Sarah Hook this would confirm both their parents names, you would then know for certain if all the census info. posted is correct
and/or
the birth certificate of Charles this appears to be his birth entry
Charles Shadwell Sep Qtr. 1872 Devizes Wiltshire Volume: 5a Page: 106
I think I've found as much as I can - I'm sorry but I haven't come across a death for
Charles Shadwell or Helen/Sarah Shadwell,
Looking again at the marriage entry
it's an Affidavit Form required by the Marriage Act before a Licence is granted
it was Sworn at the Town Hall Mimico York signed by Charles dated 17th May 1924
he's a widower his occupation Carpenter born Devizes his parents John Shadwell & Mary PART
Also says THAT the contents set forth herein are to the best of my knowledge, information & belief, true in every particular. Document stamped Registrar General Ontario received 22 May 1924
- so this certainly looks to be the same Charles Shadwell on all the censuses given.
It also reads I certify that I solemnised the marriage .....Signature of J R Bell, Toronto Denom. Presbyterian Witnesses J O Williams of Toronto & Barbara Bell Dated 20th May 1924
If the form was filled out truthfully then this would indicate that Charles first wife Helen/Sarah must have died before 1924 in either Canada or US
and as Charles Shadwell appears to be on the Canadian Voters List for 1940 York with a Mrs Shadwell
this is most probably his second wife so it would appear that he died after that date in Canada
- but can't say for sure until you find an entry :(
Might be worth asking on the Canada board and adding a link to this thread so information is not duplicated
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I have been looking at Charles Shadwell because his 2nd wife was my grandmother's sister Beatrice May Howard born July 19 1885. She was married to a Donnelly and also widowed when she married Charles in 1924. I can't find any further info for her and was hoping that by finding Charles that would lead me to additional info.
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Hi. I am new to this site and am researching Mary Quarrell- someone has kindly given me information on her today which I will try to put on ancestry this week. Mary Part (nee Quarrell) mentioned here was my maternal great great grandmother via Anne M’ s sister Helen(a) Part
I realise your thread is quite old but thought you might be interested!
Tilly Steed
quote author=trish1120 link=topic=659437.msg5051884#msg5051884 date=1377789326]
1861 Census
3 Morris's Lane,
Devizes, Wiltshire
RG9/1293/30/13
Mary PART, 49, Head, Widow, Dress and Straw Bonnet Maker, born Abingdon, Berkshire
ANNE M, 23, Daug, Unm, Dressmaker, born Cricklade, Wiltshire
Helena, 13, Daug, Dressmaker, born Meysey Hampton, Gloucestershire
Anna, 10, Daug, Scholar, born Meysey Hampton
Charles I, 9, Son, Scholar, born Cricklade, Wiltshire
1851 Census
Maiseyhampton, Gloucestershire
HO107/1968/604/5
Mary PART, 39, Head, Mar, Post Mistress, born Abingdon, Berkshire
William, 14, Son
ANN MARY, 13, Daug
Henry, 12, Son
Elizabeth, 10, Daug
Emily Jane, 9, Daug
Frederick, 7, Son
John, 5, Son
Helena, 3, Daug
Anna, 8mths, Daug
All Children except Helena/Anna born Cricklade, Wiltshire.
1851 Census Joseph PART age 47, born c 1804 Maisey Hampton, Gloucestershire, Mar, Occp Postman, is Lodging with the Boultons in Cricklade
1841 Census
Chelworth Wharf,
Cricklade, Wiltshire
HO107/1178/6/ St Sampson Cricklade
Joseph PART, 35, Horse Breaker
Mary, 25
William, 4
ANN, 3
Henry, 2
Elizabeth, 10 Mths
Mary QUARRELL, 13, Female Servant
Joseph/Mary NOT born in County all others are.
Marriage from FreeREG;
02 December 1833, St John, Devizes, Wiltshire
Joseph PART of Cricklade Parish
Mary QUARRELL
Trish :)
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