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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Ruskie on Monday 26 August 13 00:22 BST (UK)
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I am looking for descendants of James Crabtree, cotton dyer.
James was born in 1811 in Scammonden. He married Alice (Dyson?). To my knowledge they only had one daughter, Elizabeth bc 1833. Elizabeth married Reuben Hirst in 1853 and they went on to have several children.
Alice died in 1881 and James died in 1890. They are buried in the churchyard of St Bartholomew, Deanhead.
If you are a descendant of James, please make contact. :)
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Hi Ruskie,
You might be relieved ( :'( :'() I'm not a descendant ! ;D
But - I wondered whether you'd seen this :
Christening, 25th January 1835
George Crabtree
Parents : James and Alice
Scammonden, Yorkshire
Their abode is given as Lockwood and at the time of the baptism James's occupation
was written as Labourer.
Could be a good chance there's a connection ?
Kind regards,
Pels. :) :)
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Here's the above family in 1841 :
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1841 census :
HO107/1274/9, Folio 14, Page 20
Yorkshire, Lockwood
Swan Lane
James Crabtree, 30, Dyer
Alice, 30
Elizabeth, 8
George, 6
All born in county.
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And possibly written as 'Bratten' ;)
Pels.
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Elizabeth married Reuben Hirst in 1853 and they went on to have several children.
To help verify, if you check Elizabeth and Reuben Hirst in 1861 :
RG9/3269, Folio 87, Page 13
The couple living in the next property are George and his wife, Ann Crabtree.
Pels.
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Pels. I am disappointed that you are not a descendant!
The odd thing about your reply is that I have already found out a little about the family and I WAS going to add that I was not after lookups. Then when I saw your reply I thought, oh no, I hope Pels hasn't gone to too much trouble because I already have the census information for the Crabtrees. However, one thing that was bothering me was that I couldn't find them in 1841 (I spent ages looking for them on Sunday!) - so, I obviously did not know of son George, nor did I see him living next door to the Hirsts in 1861! So you have perfectly filled in the blanks for me! Thank you.
As I believe there may be an Australian connection with a member of this family, and I discovered that Reuben Hirst became mayor of Huddersfield 1891-93 and died there in 1919, I now wonder if it was George and his family who went to Australia. I will do some investigating. :)
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I have lost George Crabtree and family after the 1881 census.
I think it actually could be one of the Hirsts who went to Australia ... so there are loads of children to follow up.
I think I might leave the search for the time being and just wait/hope to hear from a descendant. :) I hope some day someone who does a search for "James Crabtree" (and is not looking for the attractive model by the same name who is at the top of google search results) finds this thread and contacts me. :)
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I have lost George Crabtree and family after the 1881 census.
In 1891 - George was Gorge :
RG12/3574, Folio 97, Page 11
And in 1901, if you search for Eva Crabtree, b.1868 in Huddersfield, she was
still living with her widowed father :
RG13/4109, Folio 137, Page 32
Pels.
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Finally, now I'll clear off :
Death, Mar qtr 1922
George Crabtree, age 87
Huddersfield, Vol 9a, page 475
;D ;D
Pels.
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Thanks Pels! I did look for George going to Australia but couldn't find him ... because he didn't go! ;D
I'm pretty sure I need to look at the Hirst children - think I'll find my answer there. :)
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hi from plum I am probably related to you , but I will have to find time to go thro the marsden family tree, from memory my grt grt grt granddad was William marsden and he married -ann crabtree. William brn 1810@deanhead and ann brn 1809 I think in either scammonden or barkisland and her parents farmers and a publican just up the road from barkisland church and its possible that William was at the same place in 1834 and in 1845 he is in the directory for barkisland as a beer seller/farmer of slack, my memory is a bit slack it used to be very good but age is taking over77now, if you are in the local area that you are talking about give me a ring and we can get together, there is also a bit further back a hirst as well we have graves in dean head and barkisland churches plum 07976515892
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Hi plum,
It seems like the Crabtree family of James Crabtree and your Ann Crabtree are probably related somewhere along the line.
Can you connect your Ann Crabtree born 1809 to James Crabtree born in 1811 in Scammonden?
(PS I'm afraid I don't live in the area - I live in Australia :))
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hi from plum I havnt looked thro ancestry for the crabtree family, all I know was that they lived at Slack, now there is a Slack in Outlane at the other side of the valley( Huddersfield side) and the one at Barkisland and it looks to me as tho it was his father in law Mr Crabtree that got William into the beer making and selling to help with the faming and that he was living at Barkisland @Slack.
I have a couple of cousins that live in Australia 1 in Perth and the other in Adelaide and that's about as much as I have on the Crabtree side, I will be going to the Huddersfield family history rooms to do a bit of research in a couple of weeks time will have a look as I havnt got ancestry now it got too expensive Keith.
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Good luck with your search, and let me know if you find a direct link to James Crabtree b 1811. :)
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Hi. I am Reuben Hirst's great great great grandaughter. Reuben and Elizabeth nee Crabtree had my great great Grandfather Herbert Hirst, Birth APRIL 1863, Huddersfield, Yorkshire West Riding
Death 7 JULY 1927, Queensland. Herbert married Ellen BLAMIRES, Birth 05 APR 1860 • Lockwood; Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England, Death 30 OCT 1885 in Queensland, Australia. Their children: all born in Queensland except for Harold and Sam
Sam Hirst 1886, October 1886 Lockwood; Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Frank Herbert Blamires Hirst 1889–1941
Archie Hirst 1889–1967
Norman Dyson Hirst 1890–1938
Ellen Marianne Elizabeth Hirst 1892–
Ilma Dorothy Annis Hirst 1893–1975
Harold Hirst(1895–) 1895 • Bowling, Yorkshire, England
David Howard Reuben Hirst 1895–1968
Gordon John James Hirst 1898–
Alice Margaret Louisa Hirst 1901–
Vera Amy Jean Hirst 1907–
Hope this helps you,
Jasmine Hirst
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hello I have a former Ann Crabtree she married my great---granddad havnt bothered to see which one, not sure of where she lived before, but I surmise that she lived in either at Outlane or Barkisland and I believe that her dad was also a beer sellar in Barkisland, both are in Dean Head and her name was then Ann Marsden and she died Nov 25th 1872 and William died Feb 13th 1882, Ann was 64 yrs and William was 73yrs. they are both at the bottom opposite the church door. there are a few graves with the same name of Marsden in that bottom section one has some broken iron railings at low level with a rounded top . I think that they now have a disc of all graves in the church yard, the grave with the iron railings has a grave of a William and he was drowned in mystery in the local catchment reservoir this is under the new res that is the M62 Wall, I have some paper work of the event, if you live locally I can meet with you and if you want a copy you can have one , so I could be related we have just lost my brother in December suddenly, went for a news paper went home put his glasses on walking to his chair, bang on the floor dead only 61 and walked everywhere, keep in touch if you want to no problem keith
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Welcome to rootschat Jasmine. It's been a long time since I first posted this in my search for descendants of James Crabtree.
So we have now discovered the Crabtree connection to Queensland. Herbert and Ellen! I am a bit confused about which of these children was born in Yorkshire and which were born in Qld.
Are you saying that Herbert and Ellen emigrated to Qld with two children - Harold and Sam. After they arrived in Qld they went on to have more children?
If so, your dates don't seem to tally, for example, you say Sam is born in 1886 in Yorkshire, and Harold is born in 1895 also in Yorkshire, but then Norman is born in 1890 in Qld? :-\
[Reading this again, I presume you have made a typo with Harold's year of birth and it should be 1885 rather than 1895? :)]
Whereabouts in the world do you live Jasmine?
Which of the Hirst children do you descend from?
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yes there are mistakes. I believe. I thought perhaps they went back a couple of times to England but now I have found my Uncle Robert Hirst's research and I need to make some changes. I am Douglas Hirst's daughter. Son of Norman Dyson Hirst, son of Herbert Hirst, son of Reuben Hirst. I'll sort out the mistakes and get back to you.
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That would be good thanks Jasmine. You obviously have some knowledge of your family history - do you know if any other descendants of James Crabtree (b 1811 Scammonden) went to Australia?
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Hi Ruskie. I am only on iPhone in middle of desert so can't read everything clearly. But I think you asked about James Crabtree and Hirsts from Huddersfield. James Crabtree is my ggggg grandfather. I am Linda Hirst, daughter of Hugh Douglas Hirst, son of Norman Dyson Hirst, grandson of Reuben Hirst and Elizabeth Crabtree. I don't have my family tree with me as I am in middle of nowhere. I will try and find Norman's father and Reuben's son as he moved to Brisbane. He died in toowong.
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It's been a while since your first post Hirstgirl. (and I thought you were Jasmine, not Linda) ;D
You are obviously interested in, and have good knowledge of, your family history. Whereabouts in the world do you live?
When you have better access can you post again please?