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Greetings.
I am searching for any information on Alice Hall, born 6 Feb. 1899 in Basford, Nottingham, or for any family information relating to her. Her mother was Harriet (Fisher) Hall, born 22 June 1873 in Ilkeston, Derby - her father was James Hall, born 1876, possibly from Killamarsh, Derbyshire (this location has not been confirmed). I have Alice's birth certificate and am looking for a possible marriage for her as well as any descendants.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated - thanks.
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Hi in 1901 their is a Harriet Fisher Single 28 b Ilkeston with an Alice Fisher aged 2 b Nottingham in Highbury Road, Basford
Census Ref RG13/3191/118/6
Keyboard86
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Keyboard86 thank you for your post. My 'Alice' (Hall/Fisher) was born in the Basford Workhouse which I believe matches with your Highbury Road address. The Hall-Fisher marriage appears to have been 'on and off' and both mother and daughter's surnames appear to go back and forth between the two names.
Alice's mother, Harriet Fisher, is my gr-grandmother and I have all of her ancestry (thanks to a highly respected group on this site!).
Again, thanks!
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Hi again. understand now, have you found them in the 1911 Census, ie what surname are they using?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, if I remember correctly, Harriet Fisher went back and forth between Basford and Bagthorpe Workhouses and I think she was in Bagthorpe in 1911. She does appear as having been admitted to the Infirmary there, at some point in time. Harriet also had a son, John Fisher, b. 10 Nov. 1905 (Alice's brother) - I have all of their birth certificates.
I'm in Canada and don't have access to the 'ancestry' site to search.
Thanks again.
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Hi Carol,
1911 Census free search shows
Harriet Fisher 40 Institution Nottingham
John Fisher 6 Institution Nottingham
Alice Fisher 13 Institution Nottingham
At least they are all together and using the name Fisher
Good luck with your search
Sue
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Hi
Previous related large topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=647367.0 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=647367.0)
Andy
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Andy, thank you for attaching the original (lengthy) link - I didn't know how to bring it into this thread.
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Carol, remember we do not know the name of Alice's father. (as no father is named on her birth certificate) I'm not sure we should assume it is James Hall ..... :-\
I think we should initially be looking for a possible marriage for Alice .....
I have to sign off shortly but will try to help later. In the meantime Carol, have you checked freebmd for any possible marriages? I think it could also be wise to check for deaths too (post 1911) .... Just in case. :(
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Hi Carol
I spent most of yesterday afternoon reading through your 2 threads about Mary Ann, absolutely fascinating and so sad. So pleased that you are managing to discover so much about her!
I have looked for a marriage for Alice Hall and there is 1 in Basford Dec 1923 to Joseph P.Quigley 7b 581. Whether this is the correct one is anyones guess!!
I shall keep reading your updates.
Good luck
Suziq
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Hi Carol
I spent most of yesterday afternoon reading through your 2 threads about Mary Ann, absolutely fascinating and so sad. So pleased that you are managing to discover so much about her!
I have looked for a marriage for Alice Hall and there is 1 in Basford Dec 1923 to Joseph P.Quigley 7b 581. Whether this is the correct one is anyones guess!!
I shall keep reading your updates.
Good luck
Suziq
The following death looks interesting
Alice Emma Quigley Sept Qtr 1978 South East Hampshire Reg District Vol 20 Page 1512. Date of birth 6th Feb 1900. Whilst the DOB is a year out and there is a middle name it may be worth following up.
Andy
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There is also this marriage from your other thread Carol:
Marriage Oct 1923
Alice Hall = Ernest Smith
District Nottinghamshire
Vol 7b Page 763
It should be possible to find children from the Quigley marriage. As it looks like it may be the easiest option due to the surname, it might be a good one to start with, even if only to eliminate it. Although not set in stone, if the Alice who married Joseph Quigley did not name a father on her marriage certificate, this may add a little weight to this being 'your' Alice. (Though of course we do know that fibs were told on marriage certificates).
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Thanks to all for your posts. On the previous thread, I received the following:
Marriage Oct Quarter 1923 Alice Hall - Spouse Smith Reg District Nottinghamshire Vol 7b Page 763
(I'm told that "Spouse" is Ernest Smith)
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There are 2 Quigley births 1 in Basford and 1 in Nottingham 1924 and 1926, 2 boys
Suziq
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Thanks Ruskie - I will place (and print out) a GRO order for both the "Smith" and "Quigley" scenarios. In the 1911 census, all member's of this family are using the surname "Fisher" so this search might get a bit tricky.
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Thanks Ruskie - I will place (and print out) a GRO order for both the "Smith" and "Quigley" scenarios. In the 1911 census, all member's of this family are using the surname "Fisher" so this search might get a bit tricky.
Maybe a little early to order certificates Carol. :-\ It IS up to you of course, but someone may be able to dig up some further information to save you the cost of certificates. Not sure what advice others would give regarding this ....
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The death Andy found looks intriguing too ... I am not happy with that middle name of Emma though (perhaps she added it later? :-\), but her birth as 6th Feb is too much of a coincidence to ignore.
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Ruskie - I'll do a bit of digging before ordering. I checked my DNA matches and have no relatives with the name "Quigley", but have 50 "Smith" cousins. I'll follow-up with some of these "Smith's"
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Hello again,
I would agree with Ruskie re hanging on a bit. I wonder if Alice may have then continued to use Fisher as a surname?
I know that this has been discussed at length but I am sorry I can't remember then answer ::)
What is the position re the Workhouse records - entry and discharge?
heywood
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There are 2 Quigley births 1 in Basford and 1 in Nottingham 1924 and 1926, 2 boys
Suziq
There's also another Quigley boy born 1936 Nottingham (mmn Hall)
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The death Andy found looks intriguing too ... I am not happy with that middle name of Emma though (perhaps she added it later? :-\), but her birth as 6th Feb is too much of a coincidence to ignore.
Birth for Alice Emma Quigley 1st quarter 1900 Portsea, Hampshire
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Looking for a death for the Quigley b 1924 and there are a couple which could be possible though year of birth is a year out, and neither are in Nottingham. Apart from those there is not an exact match up to 2005.
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Posted incorrectly sorry ...
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Joseph P Quigley died 1948 Nottingham. I can't see a death or new marriage for Alice :-\
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The death Andy found looks intriguing too ... I am not happy with that middle name of Emma though (perhaps she added it later? :-\), but her birth as 6th Feb is too much of a coincidence to ignore.
Birth for Alice Emma Quigley 1st quarter 1900 Portsea, Hampshire
That is a shame. The birthday 6th Feb looked promising
I wouldn't get too hung up on DNA as only a small number of people have done it. Also, the only Quigley result of interest would be a descendant of Alice Quigley (nee Hall)
Andy
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Re the death of Alice Emma which you were referring to - I ws pointing out that presumably that is the wrong person as she was a spinster
Sorry heywood, I realised that then removed my post and now see that you have referred to it ....
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And then I removed it - just so that we didn't get so very mixed up ;)
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And then I removed it - just so that we didn't get so very mixed up ;)
thanks ... :)