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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: sonstar on Thursday 22 August 13 17:18 BST (UK)
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Afternoon
I am having a little stuck moment, my grandma would like to find out if her late husbands first 2 children are still alive or not. I don't want to contact them, just to know.
I have limited information: he was stationed in RAF Lyneham (Wiltshire) when he met my Grandma. So I believe this was where he would have married his ex wife and they had their children.
His wife was called Kay, but no surname available. I believe she has passed away now.
I know their daughters names and would be about 60 years old now.
Can I do anything with this? I cant even find a record of a marriage for Grandad and this Kay.
Grandad is George L Bentley born 1923 Bootle.
Thanks so much anyone for any advice. I dont have access to RAF records, if they were married through the forces would that be recorded differently?
Sonia Constant, nee Bentley
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Hi Sonia...Giving out names of living people is not allowed on here...sorry ::)
Carol
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Thanks Carol I have changed my text.
How can I find out the marriage details of grandad and kay - both not with us now?
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Have a look at the 1950 marriage in Southport which is on freebmd
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Okay...Have you looked here:
http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/marriageinfo.php
You could also try Genes Reunited.
Carol
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Have a look at the 1950 marriage in Southport which is on freebmd
Theres nothing on FreeBMD! :(
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If you know the daughters names, then if you find their births in the birth reg index, it will give mothers maiden name and lead you to the marriage.
But, just having a quick look at marriages for George L Benteys, the only possible one where the bride may be a "Kay' is one where bride is Kathleen .
Cant give full details, as if this isnt yours they may well still be alive.
But, if you know the daughters names you should be able to get it.
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If you know the daughters names, then if you find their births in the birth reg index, it will give mothers maiden name and lead you to the marriage.
But, just having a quick look at marriages for George L Benteys, the only possible one where the bride may be a "Kay' is one where bride is Kathleen .
Cant give full details, as if this isnt yours they may well still be alive.
But, if you know the daughters names you should be able to get it.
I think I have just found that same record on Ancestry. I have found a daughter born the year after that marriage with the maiden name the same as the marraige record. Cannot find the other daughter though :-( Confused!
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You will find the birth reg for KW from that 1950 marriage I mentioned above on freebmd in 1921
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You will find the birth reg for KW from that 1950 marriage I mentioned above on freebmd in 1921
You mean if I buy the marraige cert?
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No - I mean you will find both the marriage and her birth reg by using freebmd
www.freebmd.org.uk
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No - I mean you will find both the marriage and her birth reg by using freebmd
www.freebmd.org.uk
Oh right, yes I have found a couple of records that could be KWs birth.
I am intrigued. Wonder if this is the infamous K. I know she is no longer with us. Grandma said she passed away about 20 years ago.
I cannot find one of the daughters Grandma mentioned, no record of the name of the daughter with the maiden name of Washington for mother. But have found the other one.
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Is it possible she was born before the 1950 marriage and her birth is in her mothers maiden name?
Did K remarry as I can't confirm a death for her under Bentley
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Is it possible she was born before the 1950 marriage and her birth is in her mothers maiden name?
Did K remarry as I can't confirm a death for her under Bentley
My Grandad remarried to my grandma they got together 1960 ish (my mum was born in 1966) and they married in 1976 I believe, so I would imagine K went back to her maiden name.
They may have been I suppose, but my grandma is adamant they will both be BENTLEYS! Hmmm
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so I would imagine K went back to her maiden name
Not necessarily - if she had children surname Bentley - she may have retained her married name. She also may have re-married after the divorce in which case her death will be under her new married name
Until a death can be confirmed - we have to be careful what details are shown here
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so I would imagine K went back to her maiden name.
I agree with Carole, this was a far less common practice in the 1960s-70s.
Josey
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OK thank you very much. :-[
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Is it possible he could have been married twice before?
Besides the 1950 marriage there is also one for a George L. Bentley in 1943, also in Stockport, and this appears to have resulted in one daughter too born in 1944!!
Annette
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What a star Annette! Well found. How useful are middle initials!
Josey
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Depends if the daughters name started with a D?
I have no idea if there are 2 daughters from separate marriages!
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Depends if the daughters name started with a D?
It does - but the rest of the letters don't fit with the name you have been given
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Not sure if this helps at all but a FindMyPast search of Bentley births with the mother's maiden name as W* between 1950 and 1960 shows two girls - one in 1951 and the other in 1955. The second one is a GRO Army Birth record.
sami
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Not sure if this helps at all but a FindMyPast search of Bentley births with the mother's maiden name as W* between 1950 and 1960 shows two girls - one in 1951 and the other in 1955. The second one is a GRO Army Birth record.
sami
What is an FindMyPast search? Sorry for my ignorance.
Also how do i get information on an GRO Army birth? Grandad was in the RAF though not the army.
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What is an FindMyPast search
www.FindMyPast.co.uk - it is a subscription site and does not allow info from its site to be posted. You can also buy credits rather than an annual sub
Have you checked the marriage found in 1943 also in Southport?
Have you then checked freebmd for Bentley births with that mothers maiden name?
The 1943 marriage can be found on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and was at St Philip & St Paul in Southport
The 1950 marriage can also be found on the same site but was a registry office wedding
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Hi sonstar:
FindMyPast is findmypast - an online genealogy service. You used to be able to search the indexes for free but not sure if that is still the case.
I don't know how you would get information on an army birth.
When I look again at the registration I see after Mothers' name it states - Not available before 1966. So the mother's name for that 1955 birth was not used as part of the search - making it unlikely that the entry is the one you are after.
**added** Read CarolW's post as I was doing this one but thought I'd post mine as well.
sami
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I don't know how you would get information on an army birth.
You can get the certificate from the GRO in the same way as normal but have to tick the box 'overseas event' then give the reference.
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The daughter born 1944 to the 1943 marriage may have married in Wales in 1965
I would suggest discussing all the info found with your grandmother in case any parts of it are familiar to her.
If she was with George from the 1960's - she may have met his daughters at some time
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I have my Grandad's service record from his time in the RAF, I was hoping it would shed some light on his previous life. He was married before my grandma and had 2 children, the details have been crossed out in the record I have so I cannot see - is there any way I can retrieve this information? I have all details except that :-( please help!
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What is an FindMyPast search
www.FindMyPast.co.uk - it is a subscription site and does not allow info from its site to be posted. You can also buy credits rather than an annual sub
Have you checked the marriage found in 1943 also in Southport?
Have you then checked freebmd for Bentley births with that mothers maiden name?
The 1943 marriage can be found on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and was at St Philip & St Paul in Southport
The 1950 marriage can also be found on the same site but was a registry office wedding
I got the married certifcate for a 1950 marriage... It confirms the K lady! WOOHOO! I know its Grandad as he put his service number in his job description and his address was his mums at the time. :-)
I got a little surprise with it though, in Grandads "condition" it said he was divorced and gave the ex's name. This was the 1943 marriage!!
He was married 3 times. I am not sure if my grandma knows so I am not going to say anything.
I now have the maiden name of wife from 1950 marriage (Washington) and I can only confirm 1 daughter, I cant find another and I know there were 2.
Stuck again! ???
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Not sure if this helps at all but a FindMyPast search of Bentley births with the mother's maiden name as W* between 1950 and 1960 shows two girls - one in 1951 and the other in 1955. The second one is a GRO Army Birth record.
sami
Mothers maiden name is Washington. Confirmed from birth certificate.
I can only find one daughter!
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Could this be why?
The second one is a GRO Army Birth record.
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I think the 2 daughters were from both his wives. Otherwise he had 3 children! I couldn't see any other Bentley children with mums maiden name of Washington. X
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Hi sonstar
You will find access to the (possible) other daughter's birth record by using
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/armed-forces/births
It allows you to search for, but not view, the 1955 birth index.
You will be allowed to view the resultant daughter's name and birth mother's maiden name.
So, you will then have the means (with FREEBMD) to prove that the Bentley/Washington births were/were not two daughters in 1950 and 1955.
Repeat from late post - He may ALSO have been in the Army before/after the RAF.
What dates are on the RAF info?
Ray
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Ray, you cannot view mothers maiden name on these entries before 1966. Also, the 1955 birth was an army birth - the father we are dealing with here was in the RAF.
Plus, I think, it has been established that he had a daughter from both his 1st and 2nd marriages. At the start of this thread it was known he had been married previously and had 2 daughters. However, it's been proven that he had in fact had 2 previous marriages, not one, with a daughter from each. The daughter from first marriage was born 1944 with an initial of 'D' - Sonia knew the names of the daughters, one of which began with 'D' (obviously, we can't state it in full on this thread).
Annette
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Good Morning Annette
I am only posting what i saw. (Why would I make it up?).
What I forgot to write at the end of my post was "OR NOT" (have amended).
Ray
Mr Bentley may have also spent time in any other of the Services, not uncommon.