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Title: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Pollsara on Monday 19 August 13 18:44 BST (UK)
Hi
 I would appreciate any assistance locating a relative named Kearns ( possibly James),who may have owned /leased a store in Manchester between 1878 and 1885 roughly !
His wife's name may have been Marion Morrison(or Morrissey) and they had 2 children, Mary born in 1878 and Willie in 1883.
They would most likely be Catholic and both died (during some epidemic) around 1885.  My greatgrandfather (Thomas Murphy, or my grandfather Matthew Murphy) took both children to Ireland and raised them, as I believe they were Thomas'  niece and  nephew.

Would there be records of adoption ?(not sure if there was a formal adoption).

I was able to find both "children" in Ireland in the 1901 census, but not sure what year they arrived.

Any information re the parents would be very much appreciated.

( This request was originally opened in a different Forum, but I'm not sure how to link to it).  I'm a bit technologically challenged at my age.   :-[

Thank you,
Sarah
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Jool on Monday 19 August 13 19:01 BST (UK)
This could be them in 1881 at 25 Rutland Street, Hulme, Chorlton reg district.

James Kearns, head, b. 1841 Ireland,  provision dealer
Marion Kearns, wife, b. 1847 Hulme, Lancashire
Mary F. Kearns, daur. age 3 months
Michael O'brien, boarder, b. 1839 Ireland, Labourer
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 19 August 13 19:02 BST (UK)
There was also this Kearns family:
9 Maria Place, Hulme
Thomas Kearns, Head, Mar, 30, Tailor, County Louth Ireland
Fanny, Wife, Mar, 28, County Wicklow, Ireland
Mary, Daur, 4, Dublin Ireland

Mo
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heywood on Monday 19 August 13 19:24 BST (UK)
Hello,

your other post was hidden away in here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=656401.msg5037728#msg5037728. You have some information there, I think.

heywood  :)
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 19 August 13 21:02 BST (UK)
Did Willie have a middle name

William H Kearns
birth registered Hulme Manchester 1883
reference,HUL/240/40
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: fairlane on Monday 19 August 13 21:16 BST (UK)
James Kearns married Marion Elizabeth Morrison 1878 Mar qtr  Chorlton 8c 983. Lancashire BMD gives marriage as Register Office or Registrar attended.
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Pollsara on Monday 19 August 13 22:44 BST (UK)
Thanks to all for your very prompt replies.  I'm thinking that the entry in 1881 posted by Jool is the most likely candidate.
The marriage date posted by Fairlane sounds likely as does the entry for Willie posted by Radcliff. 
 Thanks to mosiefish also, but I don't think that sounds like my relatives.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a flu or other epidemic in the area in the late 1880's. Am I misinformed about that possibility?

Next step would be, where do i look to find possible death certificates for James and Marion.

Again, my thanks to all for your quick responses.
Sarah

Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 19 August 13 23:13 BST (UK)
Hi,

I only posted the 4 year old Mary Kearns as an alternative as you said your Mary was born 1873 or 1878  :-\. Also by 1891 this 14 year year old Mary Ann Kearns was in an industrial school. 

Anyway there is a death registered for a Marian Kearns in the sub district of Stretford in 1888 aged 42 which is probably the Marion in the 1881 census.  See www.lancashirebmd.org.uk.

Regards,
Mo
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 20 August 13 00:25 BST (UK)
Hello,

I wonder if this is James in 1891 3192/ 114/ 39

James Kearns 50 yrs Green Grocer b Ireland
Jane wife 48 yrs b Llanferres, Montgomeryshire
George J Ross 40 yrs lodger b Stockport

Lancashire BMD has a marriage for a James Kearns to Jane Rees/Price 1889

regards
heywood
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 20 August 13 08:14 BST (UK)
1871 census
Layton and Warbreck,
Victoria Street,
Blackpool,
RG10/4222
Mary  A Storry,widow aged 56 years,lodging house keeper,born Stayleybridge,
Marion E Morrison,unmarried,aged 24 ,daughter,assistant housekeeper,born Stayleybridge,
Lucy M Shickle,aged 4,grandaughter, born Manchester,

I havnt worked out the family connection here,Lucy is with her mother in later census,
and she is a Pike before marriage,
married,
Cathedral Manchester,
April 4th 1854
John  Blythe Shickle,aged 29 professor of music,67 Clopton St,Hulme,
father John Shickle,farmer
Eliza Harriet Pike,aged 25,spinster,of the same abode,
father George White Pike,hosier,
witness to the marriage,Thomas Walter Pike and Sarah Robinson,
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 20 August 13 08:57 BST (UK)
Manchester Cathedral
15th December 1855
Patrick Galloway Storrey,aged 32,packer,bachelor,
of 5 Westmorland St Stockport Road,
father James Storrey ,surgeon,
Mary Ann Morrison,widow aged 40,of Stayley Bridge Lancashire,
father Edward Hall,publican,
witness to marriage by Licence James Mills,

first marriage,
St John Manchester,
15th October 1838
Hugh Morrison,full age,bachelor,of Manchester,
father John Morrison,Inn Keeper,
Mary Ann Hall,Full age spinster of Manchester,
father Edward Hall inn keeper,
witness to marriage,

possible death/burial
6th October 1853
St George Stayley Bridge
Hugh McFarlaine Morrison
aged 39 years
abode Ardwick Manchester
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 21 August 13 01:28 BST (UK)
Hi Sarah,

What do you think about the searches?
It may be that the children were taken back to Ireland because James couldn't manage the care rather than a death for him.
There was no formal adoption at that time.
You could order a copy of Marian's death certificate here: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ which would hopefully explain her death.

Heywood
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Pollsara on Wednesday 21 August 13 03:54 BST (UK)
Thank you Radcliff, but I'm thinking that since  this Marion was 40 in 1855, she could not realistically have a son Willie in 1883.
Heywood, I am bowled over by the willingness of your members to spend their time researching this family.
At this time I don't think Marion's death certificate would provide any helpful info, since we are not totally sure if she is the mother. I think I need to find Willie's birth certificate, but I'm not sure how.............  Radcliff posted:
 William H Kearns
birth registered Hulme Manchester 1883
reference,HUL/240/40...........but where do I order a copy from ?
 Is Hulme a suburb of Manchester ?
I am totally overwhelmed by the amount of documentation that exists and all the different websites and passwords required........... :-[
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heatherjulie on Wednesday 21 August 13 07:13 BST (UK)
Just spotted this one
William Charles Kearns christened 4th August 1889 Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England parents James Kearns and Alice Amelia.

added: I think that this one can be ruled out as he is with his parents and grandmother Eliza Kearns (born Cheshire) in 1891
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heatherjulie on Wednesday 21 August 13 07:21 BST (UK)
William Harold Kearns registered apr may jun 1883 Chorlton
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 21 August 13 17:32 BST (UK)
Hi Sarah,

The marriage which Radcliff posted is the mother of Marian/Mary Ann Morrison.

You can order  birth certificates from the same reference I gave you re the death certificate.
This is the information for Manchester Registrars http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/324/family_history_searches/1144/buy_a_copy_certificate

heywood
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 22 August 13 16:40 BST (UK)
This is a bit confusing for me to,

1851 CENSUS,
H0107/2238
King Street,
Hartishead,Ashton Under Lyne
Mary Ann Morrison,married, aged 36 professor of music,
Marion E Morrison aged 4,daughter
both born Stayleybridge Lancashire,

1861 CENSUS,
Marion E Morrison
is boarding at Higher Hall School,Westleigh,Lancashire,

1871 ,she is with her mother Mary Ann Storry,remarried and widowed,

1881 she is with her husband James Kearns,

Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 22 August 13 17:10 BST (UK)
iN 1861 CENSUS
Mason Street,
Hulme,
RG9/2899
Patrick G Story,aged 38,born Scotland,packer of groceries,
Mary Ann Story,wife born Stayley Bridge,aged  46 years,


Patrick Galloway Story death recorded Chorlton 1863,
Mary Anns death is recorded ,Fylde,1876
Title: Re: Look up requested for KEARNS in Manchester c 1885
Post by: heywood on Thursday 22 August 13 18:41 BST (UK)
Hi Radcliff,

yes that's what I saw so hopefully that will clarify things for Sarah.

heywood  :)