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Am looking for relatives/ancestors of joyce shuttleworth born in wolverhampton about 1925. she had a sister kathleen (jenks) and a brother george. she married an irishman michael maguire.
joyce's son tommy is researching his family tree and would love some help. thanks
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Hi,
This appears to be the birth records.
George H Shuttleworth
q3 1927, Wolverhampton Vol 6b Page 880
Kathleen Shuttleworth
q3 1927, Wolverhampton Vol 6b Page 879
Alice J Shuttleworth
q2 1924, Wolverhampton Vol 6b Page 972
All the above are recorded with a mother's name Shuttleworth ???.
Could Joyce be Alice J?
JJ
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Having looked at the marriage record for Joyce/Alice J Shuttleworth in 1945, Wolverhampton, her name is recorded as Alice J Shuttleworth :)
JJ
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Is there any more information you are able to give us please with regards to Joyce's parent's names?
If not you would need to purchase Joyce's birth certificate to progress further.
JJ
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What area did they live in Wolverhampton? Loads of churches including on the borders. Have you got the area etc for the shuttleworth jenks marriage. Not posted it as don't know whether they are still living.
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Thanks so much for the replies, the information you gave is correct, we just didnt' have dates etc. Tommy's mum was Alice J Shuttleworth, she died in ireland in 2003
Weste, i don't have an area for the shuttleworth/jenks marriage, they had 2 children (*) and (*), i'm trying to find them on facebook but no joy so far
J Jen, was the fathers name listed on the marriage certificate by any chance?
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J Jen, was the fathers name listed on the marriage certificate by any chance?
Hi,
The marriage I found was from Freebmd -
q1 1945, Wolverhampton, Vol 6b Page 1279
To find the father's name you would need to purchase the marriage certificate.
JJ
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hi there
many thanks for your replies
the marriage certificate came today - it doesn't have joyce's fathers name on it, the space is empty!
very disappointed but will keep on trying. the baptism certificate is next
your help much appreciated, and tommy is delighted with the response
e
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Hi
Assuming the family came from Wolverhampton.There are 2 households in 1911(from free Familysearch index).
George Shuttleworth 47 born Birmingham
Alice Mabel 45 wife born Wolverhampton
Harry 16 born Wolverhampton
Beatrice 15
Lillian 12
Cyril 11
George Edward 7
Olive 6
Zena 4
Ivy 2
The other
Arthur John 28 Wolverhampton
Emma Ann 33 sister Wolverhampton
Looking at Emma's age and the name Alice in the first household,I'd say your Shuttleworths are descended from one of the daughters of the first household -Beatrice,Lillian,Olive,Zena or Ivy.
Beatrice married a Fred Fowler Sep 1918
Lillian married Henry Brotherton Sep 1919
The other 3
Ivy married Edward Edwards Sep 1927
Zena married June 1934 John H. Howell
Olive married Sep 1946 Richard Green
So all could be just about be single 1925-1927 and could be Joyce's mother.
On the 1901 census they are living in Maple Cottages Trysall Road ,Penn.George is a brass finisher.
Can't find their marriage Alice Mabel was born Roughley Dec 1865 Wolverhampton and married Alfred Henry Weston Dec 1885 Wolverhampton.Alice is already alone in 1891 with her daughter Annie age 9mths.There is no death for Alfred Henry Weston up to 1911.In fact it looks like Alfred Henry Weston dies in Dudley Dec 1928 age 63.
Sorry but you will need a birth certificate to find Joyce's mother.
Ciderdrinker
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Ciderdrinker
many thanks for the info, i think you may be right in what you say. Alice Joyce had a brother George and this coming down thru the family. will have to get birth cert - paid the genealogist site but there was no info on her parents or her siblings parents re the birth certs they provided.
thanks again, :)
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hi all,
i got the birth cert for alice joyce today and her mum was olive shuttleworth. the fathers details and occupation are blank!
cider drinker, i think the info you gave me might be the same olive shuttleworth, which would make her about 20 yrs when she had alice. think i had better get the birth cert of the siblings to see if there is a fathers name on them. am i right in thinking this was an illegitimate birth?
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Hi
Yes I'm afraid it is an illegitimate birth.Otherwise Olive would have had a maiden name on the certificate,and there would have been a father both on the birth certificate and the marriage cert.
You may want to hold off buying the other birth certificates because if a father was named on the certificate then the children would be indexed under that name too and there's no second entry for either.
It's difficult to know whether Olive told anyone who was the father or was in a stable relationship that everyone knew about.If she was living at home with her parents then she would probably have told them but wouldn't have needed to tell anyone else.On the other hand if she needed financial help there might be some track of her asking the Father for help.
It does look like with have the right Olive Shuttleworth from Wolverhampton and if we could track someone down that's still alive they may know.
Trouble is with personal confidentiality it's more difficult to trace forward than it is back.To be honest I'm looking at that marriage for Olive and thinking oops perhaps ,perhaps not.
There is a Family tree for the Pillinger family on Ancestry website that includes George Shuttleworth ,his wife and the older children .Basically up to the 1901 census.It's owner anitaszaban may know more.Not sure how accurate it is (there are 3 George Shuttleworths born in Birmingham about the same time but it does have a wife Alice M Shuttleworth).There is also a tree by d3lite1 on the Weston side.
Had a look for burials for the family at Merridale(the on line index goes up to 1937)
George Shuttleworth age 51 17.9.1915 All Saints parish Melbourne St pattern maker grave 22710
George Edward Shutleworth age 10 years 8.7.1913 All saints Melbourne St son of Edward locksmith (but i think the last bit is a mistake)grave 19778.
Alice seems to have remarried June 1919 Wolverhampton 6b 1556 Abraham Tonks.
Her grave is 374 .She died age 55 Wednesfield Union(workhouse) 13.1.1923 wife of Abraham Tonks stoker.No sign of his grave.
Also their eldest Harry was christened at St Marks 25.7.1895 37 Laburnam St.
Hope that helps at least a little bit.
Ciderdrinker