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I found the following info on IGI, but would like to know if anyone is able to confirm these details from actual Parish Record entries, which I believe are held in Dudley. Also would like to know their occupations...
John Yardley born 1788 in Lye - died ? (married Lydia Spittle born 1793)
William Yardley born 1763 in Lye - died 1806? (married to Esther Robins born ?)
John Yardley born 1737 in Lye - died 1781? (married to Martha Brook born 1736 in Lye)
Is there a generation missing?
John Yardley born 1689 in Lye ? - died 1759? (married to Mary Hill ?? born 1714 in Lye)
I would be very grateful for any information which may trace the family line even further back....In the 19th century, the family lived in Wastebank in Wollescote in the parish of Oldswinford
Did anyone in this family from France? There were many settlers from France who made glass.
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Hi,
The following 2 burial records are recorded in the St Mary, Old Swinford burial records:-
20/08/1803, John YARDLEY, aged 68
01/01/1813, William YARDLEY, aged 49
Victor
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Thank you Victor.
This is very helpful. I will check it against other information I have.
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Hi Jules this family are my Ancestors, have spent years researching them, I have checked their births, marriages and deaths, also other documents I have found. They were Nailers originally, don't think they were Huguenots, I found some 15th Century Records where the name was Yeardley, didn't try and connect them as I would never have been able to prove a connection. A fellow researcher said they originated from Yardley Birmingham? But wouldn't like to speculate on that. The link to my tree is here:-
Link removed at linell's request
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Thank you Linnell
I've had a chance to look at your tree, which is very comprehensive. I am intrigued to know where the records are located detailing the removal orders. And where did you find the details on the various deaths in Cradley? I've spent a day at the records office in Worcestershire, but did not have enough time to locate everything, other than verify births, marriages, some deaths etc.
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Hi Jules, yes the early Johns are complicated, being removed from Cradley to Old Swinford and back again! The Burials I found in the St Mary Oldswinford Parish Register and the Cradley Chapel now St Peter's Register. The Removal and Settlement Docs are from St Mary's Old Swinford. Worcester Archives also has these documents:-
Details from Documents held at Worcester Record Office regarding an Auction in Stourbridge in 1819. (I think it must be this John born 1766?)
LOT 1 Three closes of Land adjoining and situated near the Grange, is the respective holdings of William Jones and John Yardley. In one of which there is an old established Brick Kiln, in full working order. Situated close to the Coal Works and within three quarters of a mile of Stourbridge.
LOT 11 Five very valuable and compact closes of Land is the holding of the said John Yardley. Chiefly Meadow and Pasture, lying together and adjoining the last LOT. With a small Farm House and Out Buildings, which adjoin the Turnpike Road leading from Pedmore to Holly Hall. A right of road will be reserved through LOT 1 to this LOT.
1819 From a copy of a Solicitors Letter:-
"I have had Yardley with me today (Bewdley address.) Who came and paid his rent this day due. He was afraid I suppose of a bust up. He will not give up the Farm unless you will give him £20.00. I made him an offer of £10.00 which he refused. I told Yardley he cannot hold on to the Farm longer than Lady Day.
Will see what I else I can copy and paste for you. I do have a CD from Worcester which contains a lot of Letters from John Yardley to his Solicitor, the above is a transcript of one of them.
HTH Linell.
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YARDLEY BURIALS
Old Swinford
Abraham 15.12.1732
George 18.10.1743
Jane 27.1.1741
Mary 8.2.1751
Thomas 6.4.1747
Thomas 17.4.1756
Esau 6.10.1721
George 11.7.1719
Isack 10.11.1725
Jane 9.4.1730
John 13.12.1729
Joseph 9.6.1746
Thomas 15.5.1719
Halesowen
Thomas either 26.3.1698 or 26.3.1697
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Hi Linnell
The Worcester CD sounds interesting!
I'm interested about John Yardley's birth & burial date (married to Martha Brook born 1736)...as the Old Swinford parish records include a John Yardley born around 1737 (or 1735?) father John, mother Mary. He died in 1803 aged 68. John Yardley married Martha Brook in 1758 and IGI records suggest their (first?) son William (not on your family tree) was born in 1756 (they may not have been married).
But your website suggests Martha Brook who was christened in Old Swinford in 1736 married John Yardley born in Cradley Worc in 1745.....which means he would have been 11 when their first son William Yardley was born, or 14 when Mary Yardley was born. This makes me think the John Yardley born 1745 Cradley Worcester is not the right John Yardley. Or the 1745 date is wrong and he was born in Cradley, but christened in Old Swinford??
If there are 2x John Yardley's living around 1782 (one born 1736 an one born 1745)...which is the one mentioned on the Cradley Field Survey of 1782? And if the John Cradley mentioned in the survey rented a meadow of 1269 Acres it suggests he was a leasehold farmer. Joseph Yardley born 1775 and Jane Round had a son called John Yardley born 1797 who became a farmer...so maybe his father Joseph yardley was also a farmer as was John born 1766?? My initial thinking was that the Yardley's were all just simple 'Nailers', but maybe this was a later trade they took up in the 19th century.
I'm really interested now to find these Cradley records...
I wonder WHY they were being 'removed' from Lye?
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Hi Jules, yes sorry just checked my notes, John born 1737 Married Martha Brooks, had that date in my notes but not on the Web Site, will have to change that. Have this for John and Martha, bit more detail:-
More About JOHN YARDLEY:
Burial: August 20, 1803, St Marys Oldswinford Worcs
Occupation: Farmer
Notes for MARTHA BROOKS:
Martha's Parents were John Brooks and Martha Bach.
More About MARTHA BROOKS:
Baptism: April 10, 1736, St John's Parish Church Halesowen Worcs
Children of JOHN YARDLEY and MARTHA BROOKS are:
i. MARY4 YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1759, Old Swinford Worcs; d. Bef. 1771, Old Swinford Worcs.
ii. JANE YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1761, Old Swinford Worcs.
6. iii. WILLIAM YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1763, Old Swinford Worcs; d. January 1813, Old Swinford Worcs.
7. iv. JOHN YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1766, Old Swinford Worcs; d. March 1820, Lye Waste Wollescote Worcs.
8. v. THOMAS YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1768, Old Swinford Worcs; d. Abt. 1836, Lye Worcs.
vi. MARY YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1771, Old Swinford Worcs.
vii. PHOEBE YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1773, Old Swinford Worcs.
9. viii. JOSEPH YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1775, Old Swinford Worcs; d. September 1847, Lye Waste Wollescote Worcs.
ix. MARTHA YARDLEY, b. Abt. 1778, Old Swinford Worcs; m. GEORGE WELCH, March 20, 1798, St Mary's Oldswinford Worcs; b. Abt. 1775, Old Swinford Worcs.
Notes for MARTHA YARDLEY:
Witnesses to George and Martha's marriage were Thomas Attwood and Elizabeth Round.
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I've not come across Wm born 1756, wonder if he was the son of John born 1713 and Mary Hill? I presume that the two John's 1737 and 1745 were brothers, and the younger one died, not sure on this a bit confusing as to why two John's, one may have just been known as John, a middle name or the like? This branch are my line, they were on Parish Relief that is why they were moved from Parish to Parish, but yes I agree their fortunes must have had a complete turn around as by 1782 the family were Yeoman, that is a bit of a mystery? Never found anything which explains their new found wealth, if you do please let me know. Cheers from Linell.
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Hi Linell
Just wrote a long message, but it's disappeared, which is so annoying! To summarise:
I believe the Yardley Family were not necessarily paupers but a family of tenement farmers who were resettled between Cradley and Old Swinford. The Act of Settlement and Removal established the need to prove entitlement to poor relief and which Parish was to provide such poor relief. Settlement certificates were not only issued to paupers. Once settled you could become subject to a Settlement Examination and if you failed the test you were Removed from the Parish. The Parish of settlement was not always the parish of birth. You could be entitled to a right of settlement if you were a tenant farmer paying rates and rental of £10 a year (a lot!!).
And in the 18th century the Enclosure Act took place (1780s). Land holders enclosed their land with hedges and ditches and used the land for their own purposes. Ownership of the land passed from the Lord of the Manor, and those who had been tenants now became freeholders.
My suspicion is that John Yardley born 1737 would have benefitted, particularly being the only surviving son. Living in Cradley he may have become a freeholder of land there in the 1880s (he is listed in both the field survey and under the Polls as owning a property in Cradley/Land), but living in Old Swinford.
He would have probably taken on more land in Old Swinford, together with his sons (John, Thomas and Joseph were all farmers there). He may have had brick kilns on the land for glass making, nail industry etc, and meadows to grow grass, rising up in the world to become Yeoman of his parish.
The 1816 Court Rolls & Auctions probably refer to his son John Yardley (born 1766) and his grandson Joseph (b. 1801, also a farmer). The main issue are the dates...John Yardley (b. 1766) died in 1815 (?) so this would have happened after his death. Or maybe his date of death is in fact later. The Auction of the farm and land may have been in connection with his death, and the Yardley referred to in the solicitors letters may be one of his sons.
You can then see a next generation of farmers & millers in the mid 1880s. Some had quite large farms.
John Yardley's (b. 1737) son William Yardley (b. 1763) was a minor when he married, and unfortunately I do not know his trade. His son John Yardley and his wife Lydia Spittle were all nailers, and perhaps William was one too. I always thought they were probably very poor living in Lye Wasteland and descended from a family of nailers, but the information you have found suggests they were from a farming family. John and Lydia had many children but many died in infancy. This line of Yardleys eventually became anvil makers and moved to Sheffield, and it is here that the first (of William's family line) successful white collar worker was born in the late 19th century.
Obviously I can only hypothesise. And if we can unearth more documents it may confirm the above.
Jules