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my name is bobdunford6.my wife was born in dublin .and would love to be able to trace her family tree.can you please help
starting with her father thomas murphy born 1888/1889 lived in westmorland park renelagh dublin
died 13 december 1937.sir patrich dunn hospital dublin.lived at 28 monsterboice crumlin dublin.
thomas murphy. had three brothers michael murphy .peter murphy.patrick murphy.,
mother mary ann duffy,born august 3rd 1900.gullaten westmorland park ranelagh.dublin.
died nov 4th 1982 .st james hospital james st dublin.lived 78 rafters road Drimnagh. Dublin.
Mary Ann Duffy had two brothers john Joseph Duffy .and George Duffy.
children
Thomas Murphy born 5 may 1923 died 30 September 1956.lived 122 Keogh square Inchicore. Dublin.
Patrick Frances Murphy born 23 march 1925.died 6 th Aprilt James hospital .James st Dublind 78 rafters road Drimnagh. Dublin
Mary Ann Murphy born 26 January 1927 died 2 February 1999. Lived 78 rafters road..drimnagh.dublin
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christine jean murphy.born 18 july 1929.died 30 december 2008.glencorraig nursing home knocklyn 24.lived at 78 rafters road.drimnagh .dublin.
jane rosalean murphy. born july 8 1931.died 26 july 2011 bradford .england
Details of 3 children removed
would love to start a family tree .with thomas murphy father and mother
mary ann duffy .father and mother.and so on
please can you help.
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Hi Bob
A couple of questions.Are you estimating Thomas Murphy's birth year from his death certificate.On family search there are a number of possible birth records which are possibly correct.Did he have a middle name?
Do you know when his brothers died and how old they were?
Do you have the marriage record of Thomas to Mary Duffy.One possible match for the marriage is
Marriages Dublin South Jan/Mar 1921
Thomas Murphy
Volume 2
Page 637
If this is correct it will give their fathers names.
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The 1901 & 1911 Irish censuses are online at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
You should be able to find Thomas Murphy & Mary Ann Duffy with their parents in 1901 at least.
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Hi Bob, having been researching my Irish ancestry for a while, it takes a lot of patience and some serious trawling. I agree with Josey, start with the 1901, several Thomas Murphys there.
farlington
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Welcome to Rootschat. This isn't a forum for tracing living relatives and we aren't allowed to post details of living/possibly living people so the first thing you need to do is remove some information from your 1st post on this thread (click on 'modify' to make changes- you can do this within 24 hours, otherwise you'll need to use 'report to moderator' to ask for it to be done for you).
After you check the 1901 and 1911 census records online (since all the first names/surnames you've listed are very common there may be too many possibilities to be sure you've found the right households) you should probably order the marriage certificate to get names and occupations of both father (mothers are never listed on Irish marriage certificates).
Once you get back to c1900 there might be church records online here- but you need to be careful not to follow the wrong family and get muddled (easily done with common names and little detail)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
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Hi Bob
Do you know when Mary's brothers were born and if they were her only brothers and sisters.I am having problems finding her on the 1901 or 1911 census and having similar problems with Thomas finding him alongside brothers Peter Patrick and Michael
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Hi Bob
If you are sure Mary was born in August 1900 in Ranelagh there is 1 birth record on family search which might be correct
Births Dublin South Jul/Sept 1900
Mary Duffy
Volume 2
Page 674
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I THINK MARY ANN DUFFY WAS BORN 1900 AND YOUR DATE IS CORRECT
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Bob-
Welcome to Rootschat. This isn't a forum for tracing living relatives and we aren't allowed to post details of living/possibly living people so the first thing you need to do is remove some information from your 1st post on this thread (click on 'modify' to make changes- you can do this within 24 hours, otherwise you'll need to use 'report to moderator' to ask for it to be done for you).
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Hi Bob
I take it this the family in Census 1911, Peter, Paddy and Tom Murphy with mother Ann Murphy aged 60 who is a recorded a widow, and also listed are grand children
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Westmoreland_Park/51273/
I have found another entry in 1901 but this one I cant be sure there is a connection
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/1292434/
Regards
Genseacher
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Hi Bob
I just want to refer to the census links below as I said the 1901 census link I found, May not be a connection as I can not be sure. I would not dwell on this much until you get more concrete backup.
But do hold onto and keep it in your records.
I have found another entry in 1901 but this one I cant be sure there is a connection
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/1292434/
The 1911 census I think could be Thomas Murphy born 1888 1889 1890, with brothers Peter and Paddy. I note from the census that Peter Murphy (b approx. 1872) is a lot older aged 39 than his sibling brothers and their mother is recorded as Ann Murphy widow.
I would suggest that you have a look at the 1911 census where the murphys are living and look at who are their neighbours maybe you might recognise another surname which might be a family name.
Am I right in saying that Thomas Murphy b approx. 1888-1890 married a Mary Ann Duffy if so I have found a match for a marriage of
Thomas Murphy and Mary Duffy
Year 1921
Jan to Mar 1921
Dublin South
Vol 2
Page 637
You can order a photo copy of marriage cert from GRO Roscommon costs 4 euros, it maybe the right one I cannot say. But the marriage cert will give the names of both fathers of groom and bride, addresses and occupations of both. Its up to you!!!
What I can suggest to you is that you sit down with your relatives and write everything down no matter how small you think it is i.e. someone might say oh yea johnny soso was in the army, was in prison was involved in 1916 rising etc, keep a note of everything .
If you can add anything more do please.
Regards
Genseacher
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i have been in touch with the cemetry where the family tree of murphys are buried with all the dates of death and birth and attestant who were there at the burial.
it reads
the murphy family grave
the general cemetery company of Dublin telephone number for enquirers o1 497 1269
mount Jerome house 158 Harold cross road Dublin 6w
plot A85-613-22730
LIST OF MURPHY FAMILY NAMES IN GRAVE
NAME DATE OF AGE PLACE OF DEATH ATTEST ANT BIRTH DATE
OD DECEASED DEATH
THOMAS 13 DEC 1937 48 SIR PATRICK DUNN MARY MURPHY 1890
MURPHY HOSPITAL.DUBLIN 28 MONASTERBOLCE RD
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PETER 8TH JAN 1943 71 DUBLIN UNION MICHAEL MURPHY 1872
MURPHY HOSPITAL 1 WESTMORELAND STREET
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THOMAS 30TH SEPT 1956 33 ST KEVIN.S PATRICK FRANCIS.MURPHY 1923
MURPHY HOSPITAL 122 KEOGH SQUAURE INCHICORE
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MRS MARY 4TH NOV 1982 82 ST JAMES N/A 1900
MURPHY HOSPITAL
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MARY ANN 2ND FEB 1999 72 ST JAMES N/A 1927
MURPHY HOSPITAL
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CREMATED ASHES IN GRAVE
PATRICK 6TH APRIL 2003 78 ST JAMES WILLIAM MURPHY BROTHER 1925
MURPHY HOSPITAL
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CHRISTINA 30TH DEC 2008 77 GLENCARRAIG NURSING WILLIAM MURPHY BROTHER 1929
MURPHY HOME, KNOCKLYON
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JANE ROSALEEN 26TH JULY 2011 80 BRADFORD YORKSHIRE WILLIAM MURPHY BROTHER 1931
BRAYNE, MURPHY
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HOPING THIS WILL HELP YOU FURTHER.
PLEASE CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS
ONE ON THE 1901 CENSUS YOU HAVE MURPHY ANN 50 FEMALE SERVANT
MURPHY JOHN 51 MALE SON
NOW HE COULD NOT BE A SON HE IS THE OLDEST THERE.COULD HE HAVE BEEN ANN.S HUSBAND
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AND AGAIN ON 1901 CENSUS YOU HAVE KELLY MARY AGE 6 FEMALE GRAND CHILD
1911 CENSUS YOU HAVE KELLY GINNEY AGE 16 FEMALE GRAND DAUGHTER
COULD THIS BE THE SAME YOUNG LADY
AND ANN MURPHY DOES NOT HAVE ANY DAUGHTERS.PETER.PADDY THOMAS AND MICHAEL NO DAUGHTER. SO HOW DO YOU GET THE NAME KELLY.HE MUST HAVE MARRIED A DAUGHTER
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JUST A THOUGHT .THANK YOU .AGAIN FOR MAKING US ALL SO HAPPY.
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Hi Bob
The Mary Kelly on the 1901 census may or may not be related to the Murphys.The census was filled in by Maria Greeg (head of household) and she lists her as her grandchild. The census return looks a bit confused and may contain mistakes.Is there anything to link Maria Greeg to the Murphys?
Either that or John and Anne Murphy had a daughter who married a Kelly and this daughter and her husband are not on the census for some reason.
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talking to the murphy family in dublin
they ask could maria greeg be ann dunford sister. who married amr greeg.
and john dunford married to ann ? dunford.they now are asking all around
you say i can order a photo copy of the marriage from Gro roscommon.have they got a email address could they send a copy to me through my computer attachment do you think .then perhapes i could order more information like birth baptism death marriage and pass the information back to you.
can you help please .my wife said please tell them how good they are in your office we cannot thank you enough.you have been great .thank you again.
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Hi Bob
Have a look at this thread from start to end
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.0
I have ordered certs from GRO Roscommon by post and have found them extremely efficient, I normally order research certs (photocopy) and each cert costs €4.00. I have a standard letter/template where I state looking research cert (photocopy) of the original register for genealogy purposes
Name of person
Type of cert i.e. birth death or marriage
Registration District
Year Quarter
Volume No.
Page No.
From what I can see from the thread above people have ordered them by fax, and received them by email obviously you must provide a credit card no.
Regards
Genseacher
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Bob
I have found a Mary Murphy 28 Monasterboice Road, Crumlin on 1939-40 electoral roll
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/viewdoc.php?searchparam=search_surname%3Dmurphy%26search_firstname%3D%26search_street%3DMONASTERBOICE+ROAD%26from%3D1939%26to%3D1939%26search_number%3D%26search_polling%3D%26search_reg%3D%26start%3D0%26searchtype%3Dadvanced&searchback=&voterid=0000870170&djvufile=&djvupath=
Some more Murphy's in Westmoreland Park
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/viewdoc.php?searchparam=search_surname%3D%26search_firstname%3D%26search_street%3DWESTMORELAND+PARK%26from%3D0%26to%3D0%26search_number%3D%26search_polling%3D%26search_reg%3D%26start%3D0%26searchtype%3Dadvanced&searchback=&voterid=0000910031&djvufile=&djvupath=
Dublin City electoral rolls 1908 and 1939 - 40 are available online
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral_rolls/index.htm
Regards
genseacher
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Hi Bob
I am trying to decipher your post
talking to the murphy family in dublin
they ask could maria greeg be ann dunford sister. who married amr greeg.
and john dunford married to ann ? dunford.
Can you confirm who Ann Dunford sister, who married amr greeg who is amr greeg
And who is John Dunford married ann?
Regards
Genseacher
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my wifes family in dublin ireland have asked me to ask you
is it possible that maria greeg 49 years old in 1901 could have been john murphy sister who married a mr greeg and thats why they all lived together in 172 leeson park avenue.or could she have been sister to anne murphy was her maiden name greeg.
then there is mary kelly aged 6 in 1901,who.s grand daughter was she
was anne murphy the wife of john murphy,and was michael aged 14.thomas aged 11.patrick aged 19.
there children
one more child in the 1911 census peter murphy aged 39 .who would have been 29 in 1901 census .he was not living with his family then ./was he married .living some place else and came back home to live with his family in the 1911 census
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in the 1911 census we have Ginney kelly not mary, any more could her name have been mary Ginney Kelly.
Now in the 1911 census peter murphy has turned up,
with dick murphy aged 16.mary murphy aged 14 .and peter murphy aged 8 could these be his children .perhapes his wife had died.
we have paddy murphy, aged 28.not patrick any more
we have anne now 60 years old but no john murphy has he died.
and michael murphy is not in this census.has he got married
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more information from my wife Kathleen Murphy/ Dunford
if this is helpful to you
in 30th Sept 1956.when Thomas Murphy died.at St Kevins Hospital
and was living at 122 Keogh Sqaure Inchicore Dublin
i was sent to 1 Westmoreland Street Renalagh Dublin
to tell some relatives of his death
there was a lady there called Ginney who had with her two young children
which was her children or her grand children
aged between 6 years and 10 years old
Ginney never lived at that address but in Crumlin area of Dublin.
at this address lived a lady they all called Nan.and Paddy(Patrick) Murphy.and Judy Murphy
not sure if Judy was Paddy.s Wife or not
hoping this might help you as well.
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GREEG seems a very rare name in ireland i wonder is it misspelt as the enumerator has her on the house and building return form as Maria GREGG.
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it could be you are right.
can we trace if john Murphy was the husband of Anne Murphy
and what peter Murphy marriage was to
and did Michael Murphy ever get married they seem to think he did ?
thank you again
each morning now my wife ask me to check for any more news .you are the star in our house.
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juust found out something which might help you with all your searches.it has just come up on the internet.
discover your irish ancestry now on the internet
over 80 years of statistics on irish life are just a click away.all the census have now been found.
the central statistics office has published all the data it has collected from every census since 1826
online free of charge.
ion the move that will open up a treasure trove of statistical information census from 1926, 1936, 1946,
1951.1956.1961.1966.1971.1979.1981.1986.1991.
each year census gives a statistical breakdown of the development of the country.these census gives names occupation religion.birth place.housing .there ages.orphan hood
find everything on the census.
this is from the www.irishcentral .com/iriosh -ancestry-online -every -census -since -1926 -now -on -internet -htm
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juust found out something which might help you with all your searches.it has just come up on the internet.
discover your irish ancestry now on the internet
over 80 years of statistics on irish life are just a click away.all the census have now been found.
the central statistics office has published all the data it has collected from every census since 1826
online free of charge.
ion the move that will open up a treasure trove of statistical information census from 1926, 1936, 1946,
1951.1956.1961.1966.1971.1979.1981.1986.1991.
each year census gives a statistical breakdown of the development of the country.these census gives names occupation religion.birth place.housing .there ages.orphan hood
find everything on the census.
this is from the www.irishcentral .com/iriosh -ancestry-online -every -census -since -1926 -now -on -internet -htm
The link doesn't work :-\
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juust found out something which might help you with all your searches.it has just come up on the internet.
discover your irish ancestry now on the internet
over 80 years of statistics on irish life are just a click away.all the census have now been found.
the central statistics office has published all the data it has collected from every census since 1826
online free of charge.
ion the move that will open up a treasure trove of statistical information census from 1926, 1936, 1946,
1951.1956.1961.1966.1971.1979.1981.1986.1991.
each year census gives a statistical breakdown of the development of the country.these census gives names occupation religion.birth place.housing .there ages.orphan hood
find everything on the census.
this is from the www.irishcentral .com/iriosh -ancestry-online -every -census -since -1926 -now -on -internet -htm
just found out sorry does not start til 2016.only three years away.did not tell me this in there advert
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This is the correct link to the article-
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-ancestry-online-Every-Census-since-1926-now-on-Internet.html
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yes but the irish goverment said it will not be ready til 2016.sorry thought i was helping .but a news flash came through
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googling the name'' Ginny'' suggests that it's a pet name for Virginia.
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This is the correct link to the article-
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-ancestry-online-Every-Census-since-1926-now-on-Internet.html
and it's just statistics, as far as I can see, not the Censuses.
Though statistics can be very interesting to see how (for example) a townland has changed over the decades
regards eadaoin
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and it's just statistics, as far as I can see, not the Censuses.
Though statistics can be very interesting to see how (for example) a townland has changed over the decades
regards eadaoin
Absolutely right :)
googling the name'' Ginny'' suggests that it's a pet name for Virginia.
Viriginia would have been a fairly rare name for an Irish girl at the time but I have seen Ginny as a nickname for Agnes.
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Hi
I have also seen the name "Ginny" been given to family members who were named Jane and Georgina.
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Hi
One thing thats confusing me is who were the parents of the grandchildren named on the 1911 census.Because of where they lived and give their birthplace as County Dublin the birth for one of the children is possibly as follows
Births Rathdown 1903
Jul/Sept 1903
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That record should have been
Births Rathdown Jul/Sept 1903
Peter Murphy
Volume 2
Page 801
Still can't find the Duffys on either census yet
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we have from the murphy family in ireland
mary ann duffy lived in gullaten cottages renalagh dublin is this any help.
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we have from the murphy family in ireland
mary ann duffy lived in gullaten cottages renalagh dublin is this any help.
would that possibly be Gulistan Cottages, behind Rathmines Town Hall? (near Ranelagh)
regards eadaoin
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yes that sounds like the cottages .just some more news from Dublin
it seems Michael Murphy and his brother Patrick Murphy both worked behind a bar called Davey & Phelan Public House, near Westmoreland Street, And Next door to the Pub were these Cottages which Mary Ann Duffy lived in.so they tell me.hoping this will help.
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little more information john dunford stable man in trinity college dublin.all they could remember is that he worked with horses in trinity college.so it seems correct.
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Hi
No Gulistan Cottages listed on the 1901 census.Unfortunately no Duffy families listed on the 1911 census living there.
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MARIA GREEG/GREGG. First i would like to point out an observation made by Aghadowey yesterday that the enumerator numbers the census forms and the addresses dont always match what he has recorded i e there is no 29 Leeson Park Avenue in 1911 recorded. [ edit should have said 1901 ]
Calendar of wills and administrations
16 Jan 1904 Probate of the will of Maria Elizabeth Gregg formerly of 29 Leeson Park Ave and late of Glasthule Rd Sandycove who died 30 Dec 1904 at latter place granted to Henry B Gregg 62pds 15s 10d.
1901 census of 17 Mount Pleasant Sq ,Henry Gregg age 29 married to Henrietta Scales.
1911 census of 22 Ashdale Grove, Terenure, Henry B Gregg age 38.
12 Jan 1898 Probate of the will of The Rev William Burroughs Gregg formerly of 81 Grosvenor Sq, Rathmines and late of 22 Fitzwilliam Ave, Ormeau Rd ,Belfast,a clerk died 12 Sep 1898 at latter place, granted at Dublin to Maria E Gregg of 29 Leeson Park Ave the widow. 779pds 14s 6d.
cant see any obvious connection to your family.
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My personal opinion of the census for 172 Leeson Park Ave.
John and Anne are husband and wife ,either of them filled out the census form possibly in Maria Gregg's absence giving reason for the misspelling of her name.
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a little more found out that Willaim Francis Murphy born 1928. worked in Trinity College Dublin
And his Brother Patrick Francis Murphy born 1925. Worked at Trinity College. most of his life. Retired from there in 1991.
Also there Father. Thomas Murphy Born 1890, Worked at Trinity College, Until he Died in 1937.
And Thomas Murphy, Father. John Murphy, Born 1850, Worked at Trinity College, as Stableman,
So with this Knowledge, i have Contacted Trinity College, And asked them do they keep a Record of Employees at Trinity College.Giving them the Facts .Hoping they might find some thing .Where they Lived .Might even have some Family Names..I must Try .What ever i find out i will let you know.Thank you again bob dunford
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The 1901 enumerator's form clearly shows Maria's surname as GREGG-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003705745/
These are the occupants of Leeson Park Avenue in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/53888
the street adrress is shown here-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000139584/
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more from the murphy family in ireland.
one, peter Murphy and Patrick(paddy)Murphy never got married
Thomas Murphy married Mary Ann Duffy in 1921
leaving only Michael Murphy age 14, on the 1901 census,24 on the 1911 census who could have been the father of the children in the 1911 census except?
Dick(Richard)Murphy 1911 age 16
Mary Murphy 14
Peter Murphy 8
But he would have been to young to produce children.at 10 years old,
In Dublin, they said that there Grand Father and Grand Mother.they thought had 6 Sons and one Daughter.
Who were not on the 1901 census, or 1911 census .maybe there Children were living with them.
As there father or mothers were not there,
Also they say in Number 3 Westmoreland Street .in 1911 .Were more of Grand Fathers family, they believe his Brother Thomas Murphy lived there.
This is what they are telling me ,
hoping this may help.from Bob Dunford
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so far what you have found out.the history of the Murphy family
Mrs Maria Greeg lived at 29 Leeson Park Avenue.
her father in his will left her 779 pounds a lot of money before 1901
1901 census Maria Greeg age 49 born 1852. living in a bigger house at 172 Leeson Park Avenue
with her grand daughter Mary Kelly
and Anne Murphy age 50 born 1851 her servant.did she do the cleaning shopping cooking for her
John Murphy age 51 born 1850. stableman working in trinity college
Michael Murphy age 14 born 1887. her son
Thomas Murphy age 11 born 1890 her son
Patrick Murphy age 19 born 1882 her son
for some reason Peter Murphy 29 born 1872 not living there
and as there Dublin family state there was 6 sons and one daughter
looking at the birth dates i can see this
Peter Murphy born 1872 Anne would have been 21 years old
ten year gap could the other children been born then
Patrick Murphy born 1882 Anne would have been 31 years old
Michael Murphy born 1887 five year gap Anne would have been 36 years old
Thomas Murphy born 1890 3 year gap Anne would have been 49 years old
in 1904 Maria Greeg Died leaving all her money to her son
so the Murphy family had to move out of 172 Leeson Park Avenue
the Murphy family moved to 1.2 Westmoreland park
living there with them in the 1911 census
Anne Murphy age 60 head of house.
john Murphy must have died
Peter Murphy age 39 who must have came home
Patrick (paddy) Murphy age 28
Thomas Murphy age 21
now we have lost Michael Murphy who would have been age 24
Ginney (Mary) Kelly (maria Greeg Grand Daughter who must have come with them.
dick ( Richard) Murphy age 16 born 1895 grand son of Anne Murphy but do not know who his father was
Mary Murphy age 14 born 1897.gran daughter of Anne Murphy again do not know who her father was
Peter Murphy age 8 born 1903 Anne Murphy grand son again do not know who is
as Anne Murphy sons peter Murphy and Patrick Murphy never got married
and Thomas Murphy married Mary Ann Duffy
this only leaves Michael Murphy who could not have been the father of Richard. Mary and Peter as he when they were born was to young when dick was born he was only 8 years old .so there must have been a old brother.
also in number 3 Westmoreland street we have been told john Murphy had a brother Thomas in 1911.
if all the sons hopefully were born around leeson park avenue .perhaps they all were baptized at the same church in Leeson park avenue a catholic church as they all were Catholics
can we find out if John Murphy Anne Murphy husband have any more brother or sisters.
hoping i am helping .from bob dunford.thank you again
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on the 1st of September my daughter Kathleen will be coming over to stay with us for two weeks here in Spaine said she will set me all up with Paypal.;so i can pay for some marraige .birth certificates which will help us find out more.
could you advise me on the best place to find out more on my murphy family .getting marriage and birth certificates please.
first i would like to find out where john and anne murphy children were all baptised where the church is .could be some where around leeson park.where they lived .don.t know where they lived before that,
then find out where john and Anne Murphy were Married.if i can.as she came from Co Wicklow.
i am still waiting for a reply back from trinity college.as we found out
William Francis Murphy born 1928 worked there
Patrick Francis Murphy .worked there until he retired in 1991.
there father Thomas Murphy born 1890 worked there till he died in 1937
Thomas Murphy father john Murphy born 1850 worked there as stableman till he died,
and now we believe his father worked there
which is a long time for a family to work any where,
still with your help which is the very best we will get there .
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Hi Bob
I take it this the family in Census 1911, Peter, Paddy and Tom Murphy with mother Ann Murphy aged 60 who is a recorded a widow, and also listed are grand children
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Westmoreland_Park/51273/
I have found another entry in 1901 but this one I cant be sure there is a connection
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/1292434/
Regards
Genseacher
in the 1911 1 westmoreland parkyou have dick murphy 16 so he was born 1895
mary murphy 14 .so she was born 1897
peter murphy 8 .so he was born 1903
now peter murphy and patrick murphy never got married
thomas murphy married mary ann duffy in 1921
leaving only michael murphy who was born 1887 and he was to young to father any of these children
the murphy family in dublin say there was 6 or 7 sons and 1 daughter belonging to john and anne murphy
so the fathers of these children are not on the 1901 or 1911 census.
please can you advise me where i can find details of john murphy and anne murphy marriage.
also john murphy baptism.and death
anne murphy death
and john and anne murphy full list of children
willing to pay to find out
please can you .as i know you are the best people to ask.where i can get this information online.thank you again for all your good work .anything i find i will let you know .you are the best thank you again.from bob dunford
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Hi Moderators
Any chance these topics can be moved to this topic "help with my irish family tree please" and maybe rename with the surname murphy in the topic i.e. help with my irish family murphy tree please.
It is getting very confusing !!!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657872.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=659537.0
Much appreciated
Regards
Genseacher
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Hi Bob
I am like you researching my own family genealogy, some of your questions I cannot answer
this site you should explore
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
greig could be Gregg greag whatever
Maybe a marriage of maria and William Gregg
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/413eb70583453
The areas could be rathmines I am not sure,
Regards
Genseacher
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please can you advise .thought of going into a Irish (Dublin) family search and paying a subscription or Birth, Death ,Marriage, Photo Copies .First they do not use Paypal .Second been Advised not to give Information out over the Internet of my credit card ( because today it is easy entered and copied) So how can i Pay.Could i Join a Dublin Bank and Transfer Some Money over.Does the Dublin Bank .Do this over the Internet.?
I would would like to Join a Dublin Family Search and Pay a Yearly Subscription into it So they could Search .With Roots-chat Helping me.There is so much i would like to find out .
ie John Murphy Born 1850, When did he Marry Anne Murphy (What was Anne Murphy.s Maiden Name) When did John Murphy Die, I know it must have been between 1901 and 1911 by the Census.Can we get Birth or Baptism of John Murphy, which would give his Fathers Name and where they Lived.
Also we know John and Anne had more Children then on the 1901 and 1911 Census by the Grand Children s Ages.
Also where were they Buried .Which Cemetry .The Three Saints Church(ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) in Rathmines and Rathgar East Dublin
All there Children were Buried in Mount Jerome House,the general cemetry company tel 01-497-1269. 158 Harold.s Cross road Grave Number A85-613-22730
You see i have been trying ,Asking all the Dublin Family, What they can Remember to help you in your Search.
We have found out from them that Patrick Francis Murphy, Born 23 March 1925 Died 6th April 2003.
Worked all his life till Retirment at 66 Years old.Worked in Trinity College Dublin
His Father Thomas Murphy, Born 1890, Died 13th December .1937, Worked Till he Died in Trinity College Dublin
His Father John Murphy, Born 1850, Died between 1901 and 1911 .Worked as Stableman in Trinity College Dublin.
The Wife of Thomas Murphy, Born 1890 .Mary Ann Duffy, Said in her Bible, That in May of 1937 ,She took her Latest Baby Kathleen Patricia Murphy, Into Trinity College to pick up her Husband.s Wages to go Shopping,The Admin there said, Do you know you have made History Today, You are the First Person Ever, To bring in a Baby into Trinity College.
Some more News in September 1956, Kathleen Murphy (above) was Sent to Number 1 Westmoreland Park Dublin, to Pass on the News that Thomas Murphy, Born 1923, had Died in the house was a Ginney Kelly.With Two very young Babies.And some more of the Muphy Family, Ginney Kelly, She was told lived in Crumblin Area Dublin.
More news John Joseph Duffy (Jonjoe) And his Brother George Duffy .Brother of Mary Ann Duffy Wife of Thomas Murphy, Born 1890 .Was living at Gulistan Cottages near Westmoreland Park .
If i hear any more i will let you know. from Bob Dunford
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please can you advise .thought of going into a Irish (Dublin) family search and paying a subscription or Birth, Death ,Marriage, Photo Copies .First they do not use Paypal .Second been Advised not to give Information out over the Internet of my credit card ( because today it is easy entered and copied) So how can i Pay.
You should be able to get another card .. put a SMALL amount of money on it and pay using that card. Any theft would be limited to the cards amount... Here you can get cards from the post office, travelers cards from various banks ...
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just wandering how you are getting on .only you found out for me such a lot .my wife could not believe her luck.now have i said the wrong thing .hoping i have not as you have been so kind to us.thought i should give you all that the Murphy family have asked me to tell you,but thinking i have said to much. hoping i have not ,only you have been the best people i know who could search so well. hoping i hear from you all again.thank you
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please can you advise .thought of going into a Irish (Dublin) family search and paying a subscription or Birth, Death ,Marriage, Photo Copies .First they do not use Paypal .Second been Advised not to give Information out over the Internet of my credit card ( because today it is easy entered and copied) So how can i Pay.
You should be able to get another card .. put a SMALL amount of money on it and pay using that card. Any theft would be limited to the cards amount... Here you can get cards from the post office, travelers cards from various banks ...
just wandering how you are getting on .only you found out for me such a lot .my wife could not believe her luck.now have i said the wrong thing .hoping i have not as you have been so kind to us.thought i should give you all that the Murphy family have asked me to tell you,but thinking i have said to much. hoping i have not ,only you have been the best people i know who could search so well. hoping i hear from you all again.thank you
Hi Bob
I am like you researching my own family genealogy, some of your questions I cannot answer
this site you should explore
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
greig could be Gregg greag whatever
Maybe a marriage of maria and William Gregg
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/413eb70583453
The areas could be rathmines I am not sure,
Regards
Genseacher
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Hi Bob
I am not sure what paid subscription sites (Irish) you are hoping to sign up with the only
one I know that has facility for paypal is Ancestry.com, any of the other sites you will have
to contact them or check their terms and conditions. As for applying for certs in the GRO
Roscommon Ireland you can get a copy cert for research purposes. As far as I know they do
not have paypal facility. You either give your card details or post your application with the money i.e. research copy cert is €4.00 euros once you have all the details as in this post
Hi Bob
Have a look at this thread from start to end Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.0
I have ordered certs from GRO Roscommon by post and have found them extremely efficient, I normally order research certs (photocopy) and each cert costs €4.00. I have a standard letter/template where I state looking research cert (photocopy) of the original register for genealogy purposes
Name of person
Type of cert i.e. birth death or marriage
Registration District
Year Quarter
Volume No.
Page No.
Am I right in saying that Thomas Murphy b approx. 1888-1890 married a Mary Ann Duffy if so I have found a match for a marriage of
Thomas Murphy and Mary Duffy
Year 1921
Jan to Mar 1921
Dublin South
Vol 2
Page 637
Regards Genseacher
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Hi Bob
Like you family research takes time and patience, it means trawling through loads of records and sometimes you find what you need .
Have a look at the following thread on rootschat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=385.0
I recommend the following free sites
https://familysearch.org/ this site will give the references for ordering certs in the GRO Roscommon
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ church records etc
http://www.from-ireland.net/
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/#gsc.tab=0
Regards and best of luck with your research
Genseacher
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The 1901 & 1911 Irish censuses are online at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
You should be able to find Thomas Murphy & Mary Ann Duffy with their parents in 1901 at least.
-- found Thomas Murphy Born 1890, in the 1901 Census of Dublin Ireland
Glasnevin Cemetry Dublin found another son John Murphy born 1876 -Van Driver.Died 2nd of April 1901 .His Mother Anne Murphy informed them of his Death.He lived at 29 Leeson Park Avenue .Rathmines and Rathgar .East Dublin. Now this is his Postal Address, how do i find his 1901 Census
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Suggest that you actually read the details that have been posted for you- I posted information 3 1/2 hours BEFORE you've asked AGAIN and you replied on the topic-
You have already have at least 2 topics looking for the Murphy family on the Dublin board-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657872.msg5036917#msg5036917
and the longer thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657339.msg5032158#msg5032158
Again, here's the link to the 1901 census- they are living in the houshold of Maria Gregg but 172 is the number in the census not a street number for that address:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/1292434
This is likely John Murphy in the 1901 census- note especially his occupation which is motorman-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Rathgar_Road/1297235/
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MARIA GREEG/GREGG. First i would like to point out an observation made by Aghadowey yesterday that the enumerator numbers the census forms and the addresses dont always match what he has recorded i e there is no 29 Leeson Park Avenue in 1911 recorded. [ edit should have said 1901 ]
Calendar of wills and administrations
16 Jan 1904 Probate of the will of Maria Elizabeth Gregg formerly of 29 Leeson Park Ave and late of Glasthule Rd Sandycove who died 30 Dec 1904 at latter place granted to Henry B Gregg 62pds 15s 10d.
1901 census of 17 Mount Pleasant Sq ,Henry Gregg age 29 married to Henrietta Scales.
1911 census of 22 Ashdale Grove, Terenure, Henry B Gregg age 38.
12 Jan 1898 Probate of the will of The Rev William Burroughs Gregg formerly of 81 Grosvenor Sq, Rathmines and late of 22 Fitzwilliam Ave, Ormeau Rd ,Belfast,a clerk died 12 Sep 1898 at latter place, granted at Dublin to Maria E Gregg of 29 Leeson Park Ave the widow. 779pds 14s 6d.
cant see any obvious connection to your family.
could it be that maria gregg lived with her husband william burroughs gregg,in 81 grosvenor sq rathmines dublin .with her servant anne murphy and john murphy and there children
before moving to 29 leeson park avenue,as seen in the 1901 census.
i have been told by there family that maria gregg maiden name was maria elizabeth kerr her father the rev william kerr from monaghan,wanted a servant ,and anne apllied and got the job,
in 1870 maria kerr married william burroughs gregg and moved to dublin,taking anne her servant with them
maria gregg and william burroughs gregg had a son born to them in 1871 name of william burroughs gregg
in 1871 the same year anne met and married john murphy.stableman to trinity college
they allmoved in together
1872 peter murphy was born
1876 john murphy was born
1882 patrick murphy was born
in 1887 michael murphy was born
in 1890 thomas murphy was born
now by this they all could have been born in 81 grosvenor sq rathmines dublin
if so we are looking for another parish roman catholic church where they all were baptized
in dec 1904 maria gregg died leaving everthing to her son william burroughs gregg
now the murphy family had to find another home which would have been in 1905
in 1911 census we seee that johnurphy had died
1911 census residents of a house in 1 westmoreland park .rathmines and rathgar east dublin
ann murphy age 60 widow
with her sons and grand sons and daughter
little bit more
in 1943 peter murphy died buried in mount jerome cemetry attestant his brother michael murphy stll living at 1 westmoreland park.
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It is very difficult to read long posts without proper punction, capital, etc. Also, quoting previous replies for no rewason makes your own post harder to follow.
Henry Burroughs Gregg born 1871 Kings Co./Offaly not Dublin-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F53Z-MLR
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5TV-8Z2
Birth certificates for the Murphy children will give you exact places of birth, father's occupation and family address (if not place of birth).
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Hi Bob
I am not sure what paid subscription sites (Irish) you are hoping to sign up with the only
one I know that has facility for paypal is Ancestry.com, any of the other sites you will have
to contact them or check their terms and conditions. As for applying for certs in the GRO
Roscommon Ireland you can get a copy cert for research purposes. As far as I know they do
not have paypal facility. You either give your card details or post your application with the money i.e. research copy cert is €4.00 euros once you have all the details as in this post
Hi Bob
Have a look at this thread from start to end Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.0
I have ordered certs from GRO Roscommon by post and have found them extremely efficient, I normally order research certs (photocopy) and each cert costs €4.00. I have a standard letter/template where I state looking research cert (photocopy) of the original register for genealogy purposes
Name of person
Type of cert i.e. birth death or marriage
Registration District
Year Quarter
Volume No.
Page No.
Am I right in saying that Thomas Murphy b approx. 1888-1890 married a Mary Ann Duffy if so I have found a match for a marriage of
Thomas Murphy and Mary Duffy
Year 1921
Jan to Mar 1921
Dublin South
Vol 2
Page 637
do you still have this certificate can i see it please,thisnmust be the one i am lookingfor where were they married,
Regards Genseacher
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Hi Bob
A couple of questions.Are you estimating Thomas Murphy's birth year from his death certificate.On family search there are a number of possible birth records which are possibly correct.Did he have a middle name?
Do you know when his brothers died and how old they were?
Do you have the marriage record of Thomas to Mary Duffy.One possible match for the marriage is
Marriages Dublin South Jan/Mar 1921
Thomas Murphy
Volume 2
Page 637
If this is correct it will give their fathers names.
this is correct i have been searching every where ,is it possible for me to see it,it might give mary ann duffy mother and father,now you have got me excited,