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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: acorngen on Sunday 11 August 13 23:50 BST (UK)
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I apologise if this has been asked and answered before.
Is it possible to search for birth records for Ontario online that post date those held by the archives ie after 1905
Rob
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Anything after 1913 in Ontario you have to order directly from the Province. Ancestry has births up to 1913.
www.serviceontario.ca
A new year is added each year to the Archives Collection.
Karen
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Which is ok if you know the year they were born but when you want to do a search for all births to particular parents its not possible by just going through the provinces hence my question
Rob
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Which Province? Who are you looking for?
Karen
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I know Leslie Barwise was born 1910 in York county Toronto. I know his younger brother died there 1915 and I know his mother died there in 1918. I know his dad John was back in England by 1923 because he married his late wife's younger sister and had 2 children with her. I believe by 1962 Leslie is in England has he obtains admin on his dads estate. I need to a locate any marriage that took place in Canada and then any births to that marriage I would also like to see if there are any more children to the marriage of John Barwise and Margaret Agnes nee Graham. Leslie was born in 1910 but interestingly I cannot find the family at all on the 1911 census in either Canada or the UK
Rob
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From the Ontario marriages database at Ancestry:
John Barwise, 22, son of Thomas Higham Barwise and Isabel Braithwaite married Margaret Agnes Graham, 22, daughter of Matthew Graham and Agnes Dennison on 4 Jun 1910 in Toronto.
From the Ontario births database at Ancestry:
Leslie Barwise born 7 Aug 1910 to John Barwise and Margaret Graham in Toronto.
There were no other births listed in the database which, as Karen said, goes to 1913.
Jacquie
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I believe I have found them on the 1911 Canada census with their surname listed as Bowers. It has John, Margaret and Leslie as lodgers in the household of Frank and Emily Graham. John is said to have emigrated in 1905 and Margaret in 1908. Leslie is listed as being 10 months old with his birth month as August which does match the Barwise birth. Here's a link to the image (starting on line 21):
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002028319.pdf (http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002028319.pdf)
Jacquie
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Hi Rob,
I think I also have a tiny bit of information for you regarding the younger brother of Leslie. There is a death certificate issued as number 1329, fol 442, York County, Toronto, for a John Barwise aged 1 year and 4 months. Parents are John Barwise and Margaret nee Graham. Date of death was 19 March 1915. Cause of death sounds very sad: Primary illness "decomposition" of 6 weeks duration with ultimate death occassioned by "failure of Cardiac centre" of a duration of 3 hours. This child may be the younger brother to which you refer in your post.
Sincerely,
Susan
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Forgot to add that the death occurred at the Hospital for Sick Children.
Susan
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Hi Rob,
I have been thinking over this puzzle. I highly doubt that any father would leave behind a young child between 8 and 13 years old to return to England to marry for a second time. I suspect that John Barwise took Leslie back with him. I can find no passenger arrival records for John and Leslie arriving back into England and wonder if perhaps they took a ship steerage or sailed into a European port first before proceeding to England, i.e. the ship was heading to Europe and they had to make a connecting trip to England. There are no passenger lists online for ships arriving in England from European and Mediterranean ports.
On the second front, have you checked census, marriage and birth records in Scotland for any information concerning Leslie's family? I have what may be Leslie's children born in Westmoreland district between 1947 and 1960 which you can also easily reproduce on
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl) with father's surname Barwise and mother's surname Vaughan and information that they may have been another child named Margaret born circa 1939 that died in Kendal in 1999.
I also have found an indication that Leslie may have been known as Joseph Leslie Barwise and may have died during 1981 in Kendal, Westmoreland. Have you requested a search for a Will from the Principal Probate Registry either in Westmoreland or via mail from the York office?
Just some thoughts that may help.
Sincerely,
Susan
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Susan,
I like you have found all that information prior to posting on here but thank you. I alos found Joseph leslie but my own suspicions wont let me at present tie that into the tree. Just so you know the searches for probate havent been at York for over 12 months now. They are now in Leeds and I go there at least twice a month so that will be my next port of call. Like you I also checked all incoming passenger lists and I also believe that he came back with his dad. The reason I questioned that is the fact one persons online tree suggested leslie had 12 children and yes that tree suggested a marriage to a Vaughan female but again I cannot find a suitable marriage and another reason not to add Joseph Leslie to the tree at present.
Jacquie thank you so much for that census info and that fits with all I know
Rob
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Hi - I came across your post quite by accident. My dad was Joseph Leslie Barwise, married to Marian Vaughan. I am the youngest of 7 children, with 4 stepbrothers/stepsisters one of whom was Margaret. Dad died in July 1982, mum died recently in April this year. I don't know a lot of my family history and am intrigued by your post.
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Lizzie,
I dont think you are confused any more having spoken to you on the phone.
To everyone else ty for your help in confirming what I knew and answering the question I specifically asked.
Rob
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Hello
I've been looking through these posts and I believe this is the Barwise family I'm researching.
I wonder if any of you know of an Elizabeth Higham Barwise (born 1882 + died 1962).
She was the daughter of Thomas Higham Barwise + Isabella Braithwaite.
She married James Butterworth.
Had a daughter Marion Butterworth (born 1912) who married Herbert J Thomas.
They had a daughter born in 1944. (I know her name but I'm, understandably, not allowed to mention it here in case she is living.)
I am particularly interested if anyone might know anything about her or have any photos of Elizabeth, James or Marion etc.
Many thanks!
PiP
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Hi Pip,
Presumably the daughter born 1944 is a living person, to protect people and their identities Rootschat do not encourage the posting of information about people who are or maybe still living so you will have to remove her name.
Sandra
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Sorry Sandra. Newbie mistake. Have edited her name out.
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No probs Pip, just letting you know the rules of the site before a moderator edited your post. Hate to see them splattered in blue. ;)
Good luck with your search
Regards
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra. Appreciated :)
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Pip,
We have been chatting via Ancestry and I know you have located who you was looking for
Rob