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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Bob_SA_Oz on Sunday 11 August 13 02:43 BST (UK)
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I am seeking information on my great great grandparents. They married on 28 Sep 1854 in Gawler Place, Adelaide, South Australia and lived in Rosewater. Mary was 23 y-o spinster and John was 27 y-o batchelor and labourer. I do not know their counties of birth or times of arrival in South Australia except for a comment in her death notice that she arrived in the colonies in 1853. The notice also asked Melbourne papers to copy so I presume she had relatives or friends living in Victoria. Mary died 17 Jan 1882 in Rosewater, and John died 10 Jan 1898 in Clarke Street Rosewater. His occupation was listed as stevedore on the death certificate. The birth certificate for William Henry indicated John's occupation was mariner.
Mary and John Lane had four children (William Henry born 10 Mar 1867 Rosewater died 01 Sep 1947 College Park, Eliza born 26 Dec 1861 in Port Adelaide, John born 27 Jul 1859 Alberton died 01 Feb 1903 Adelaide, Edward born 29 Mar 1864 Rosewater died 13 Sep 1947 Gawler). William Henry Lane (my great grandfather) married Jane Louise Payne 27 Sep 1893.
Thanks
Bob
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This comes from the Biographical Index of South Australia. Not always correct!!
John Lane’s parents were Charles and Mary (HANLON) and he was born 28/2/1834 at Wil Eng. He lived at Meadows , Mt Torrens and was Roman Catholic. He married 21/4/1856 in Willunga to Mary (FARRELLY) who was born about 1832 and died 17/1/1882 at Rosewater .
Children-
James 1859 -1937
John-1860 -194Thomas 1862-
Robert 1864-
Eliza Jane (O’CONNOR) 1866-
Walter Henry-1868-1952
Richard Edward-1870
Mary Florence (BEATON) 1873-1937
Sue
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From the marriage register Mary's Maiden name was Farrell
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Thanks Sue (sparret). To be honest, I am not entirely sure which couple (John Lane and Mary Farrelly married 1856 in Willunga, and John Lane and Mary Farrell married 1854 in Adelaide) are my gg grandparents. I have traced the history of both and the evidence points more to the second couple. Here are some of my earlier notes on these people:-
1. John Lane is given as father of William Henry Lane born 10 March 1867 at Rosewater; mother was Mary Farrell; vol 50 page 579
2. John Lane is given as father of Henery Lane marriage 27 September 1893 to Jane Louisa Payne, father Thomas Payne, at Port Adelaide vol 176 page 1093
3. John Lane married 21 April 1856 to Mary Farley at Willunga, vol 25 page 152 - no direct relation (see comments on Charles and Maria Lane)
4. Record above conflicts with John Lane marriage 28 September 1854 to Mary Farrell, at Gawler Place Adelaide, vol 19 page 69
5. jellytree2010 family tree indicates John Lane married 21-4-1856 at Willunga to Mary Farrelly, children James Lane 1859-1937 and Eliza Jane Lane 1866-1899
6. jellytree2010 indicates Mary Farrelly died 17 January 1882 in Rosewater - This is refuted by book about Lanes in Australia Maria died in 1916 in Millicent.
Who is my 2nd great grand father? Assume for now that he was John Lane married in Adelaide to Mary Farrell since is was not John Lane son of Charles Lane and Maria Adlam. The book "The family of Charles and Maria Lane in Australia, 1804-2004" contains clear evidence that I am not related to this family through John Lane married to Mary Farrell.
This bears out your comment about Biographical Index of South Australia. Not always correct!!
Bob
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Hi Bob,
I am not well-resourced in S A data.
Others here at Rchat are much better equipped to help you.
I would suggest though that relying on the published works of other people can be misleading and confusing.
The correct pathway will be your own searching and the use of as much original documentation as possible.
Sue
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Thanks again Sue (sparret). I am learning the hard way that "factual information" can be misleading. Hopefully, there are people researching Lane and Farrell who will spot these posts and offer leads.
Bob
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Hi Bob
The LANE couple at Meadows and Mt Torrens did not have a son named Wiliam Henry born 10 Mar 1867. So your ancestors are John LANE and Mary FARRELL who only ever lived in the Port Adelaide district.
Essie
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I agree with Sue :)
A couple of possible arrivals......I cannot see a Mary FARRELL arriving in 1853 bearing in mind that ages on passenger lists are now always correct. Info in death notices [and death certs] is only as good as the knowledge of the informant. Could by husband's family in Vic or her children.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/epaminondas1852.shtml
FARRELL Mary 23 Servant & Milkmaid Clare
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/taymouthcastle1854.shtml
FARRELL Mary 23 Servant England
John's occupation mariner may indicate he arrived as ship's crew.
Cando
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As mentioned by Sue and according the the birth registration there are two couples John LANE and Mary FARRELL and John LANE and Mary FARLEY.
Births
LANE John
27 Jul 1859
Father Jane [sic] LANE Mother Mary FARRELL
At Alberton Ade 15/157
LANE Eliza
26 Dec 1861
Father John LANE Mother Mary FARRELL
At Port Adelaide Ade 20/257
LANE William Henry
10 Mar 1867
Father John LANE Mother Mary FARRELL
At Rosewater Ade 50/579
Cando
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Wonder if this is your John LANE at Rosewater - SA Register 20 Jul 1879?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vnj/
Cando
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John LANE living at Rosewater was a widow when he married for the 2nd time. Death notice for his 2nd wife
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vnl/
If this is your John perhaps he was not entirely accurate with his age.
LANE John 54 years Status Widower Father James LANE
WEBBER Eliza 42 years Status Widow Father Charles MILLER
29 Sep 1887
Place Registry Office Adelaide Ade 152/1102
Marriage to we can see all the details on the registration
LANE Henery 27 years Status Single Father John LANE
PAYNE Jane Louisa 21 years Status Single Father Thomas PAYNE
27 Sep 1893
At the Manse Port Adelaide PtA 176/1093
Cando
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Possibly Mary LANE nee FARRELL's burial record at Cheltenham Cemetery
LANE Mary
Date of Death: 19 January 1882 [this is date of interment]
Age 50 Years
Last Abode: ROSEWATER, SA
Death
LANE Mary
17 Jan 1882 50 years Status Married Relative John LANE [Husband]
Residence Rosewater Death Place Rosewater PtA 116/334
Cando
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Also at Cheltenham
LANE John
Date of Death 12 January 1898 [date of interment]
Age 70 Years
Last Abode Rosewater SA
Death reg
LANE John
10 Jan 1898 70 years Status not recorded Relative not recorded
Residence Rosewater Death Place Rosewater PtA 248/327
Check the ages with the marriage registration :)
Cando
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The burial location for Mary and John has the following
This site has been redeveloped. For further information on the location of this interment please contact the Records Team at records@aca.sa.gov.au
Cando
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It is possible that there were more than the four children you mention, born to John LANE and Mary FARRELL. They married in 1854 and yet their first birth was reg in 1861. Catherine's birth was c1856.
John's funeral was to leave from his son in law's house, a Mr E SHAW. Either the newspaper or marriage reg have his name incorrect.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vnp/
STRAWS Edward 21 years Status Single Father John STRAWS
LANE Catherine 20 years Status Single Father John LANE
14 Feb 1876
At Port Adelaide [place unrecorded] PtA 106/369
Have you any further information about daughter Eliza?
Cando
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They married in 1854 and yet their first birth was reg in 1861. Catherine's birth was c1856.
First birth 1859. :-[ :)
Cando
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Cando
Eliza Lane was born 26 Dec 1861 to John and Mary. That is the only hard information I have. Based on the reference to John's funeral leaving from Mr Edward Shaw's residence, I presumed that he and Eliza were married, as he was the only son-in-law. If there were other daughters I don't know about then that could open up new lines of enquiry.
I wondered whether Shaw and Straws could get mixed up when placing a death notice in the paper. The digitised version I have is quite clear that it was printed as Shaw.
I take your point that marriage of John and Mary in 1854 and first recorded child Eliza in 1861 is a big gap. I can't find any other birth records earlier than this, yet you mention Catherine's birth in 1856. Can you let me have more search details for this record please?
As a matter of interest, there are no Straws buried in the Cheltenham Cemetery. There is an Edward Albert Shaw (died 23 April 1920, 69 y-o) buried in the West Terrace Cemetery, and an Elizabeth Shaw (died 02 March 1911, 48 y-o).
You have given me several helpful leads to follow up.
Thanks
Bob
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Catherine was born c1856
STRAWS Edward 21 years Status Single Father John STRAWS
LANE Catherine 20 years Status Single Father John LANE
14 Feb 1876
At Port Adelaide [place unrecorded] PtA 106/369
There is no registration. Her year of birth has been taken from the marriage registration.
Mention of an Edward STRAWNS at Port Adelaide court.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vnt/
Deaths
STRAWNS Edward
11 Apr 1925 70 years Status Married No relative noted
Residence Rosewater Death Place Rosewater PtA 477/394
STRAWNS Catherine
12 Apr 1937 81 years Status Widow Relative Edward STRAWNS [Deceased husband]
Residence Rosewater Death Place Rosewater PtA 589/1495
They are both buried at Cheltenham Cemetery.
I would suggest the newspaper has John's son in law's surname wrong.
Cando
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There are many missing registrations from the SA bdm for all sorts of reasons but if a birth wasn't registered within a prescribed period there was a fine. Many parents adjusted birth dates to avoid paying the fines or simply did not register their children's births.
John LANE had father James LANE in his 2nd marriage.
The Chronicle 6 May 1937.
Mrs. Catherine Strawns, who died at the age of 82, was a pioneer of Rosewater. Her parents landed from the Taymouth Castle, 1854. She was born at Regent street, Adelaide, in 1855, and moved to Rosewater when she was two. She lived there until her death. She was a widow of Mr. Edward Strawns, who died 12 years ago. She has left two sons — Messrs. John and Edward Strawns.
It was Mary FARRELL who emigrated on the TAYMOUTH CASTLE[/i]. I gave you the information previously
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/taymouthcastle1854.shtml
FARRELL Mary 23 Servant England
John's occupation mariner may indicate he arrived as ship's crew.
Cando
Another mistranscribed surname!
STRONG John
2 Dec 1876
Father Edward STRONG Mother Catherine LANE
At Rosewater PtA 176/58
Can't find a birth reg for Edward though.
The Advertiser 5 Apr 1906
STRAWNS-COLEMAN-On the 5th April, 1905, at the residence of the bride's mother. 27, Bent street, John, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. E. Strawns, Elizabeth-street, Rosewater, to Alice May, youngest daughter of Mrs. J. Coleman, of Adelaide.
The Advertiser Fri 11 Apr 1930
STRAWNS — In loving memory of our dear husband and father, who passed away on 11th April. 1925. Loved and remembered the same to-day As in the hour you passed away. — Inserted by his loving wife and sons, Jack and Teddy.
Cando
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LANE Annie Wallace
2 Mar 1916 48 years Status Married Relative Francis Edward LANE [Husband]
Residence Evandale Death Place Adelaide Ade H 399/489
There are a number of notices for an Annie Wallace LANE who died in 1918.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vnv/
The notices mention names E BURKE, K STRAWNS and J LANE mentioned. I would suggest that the relationships have not been described accurately however the notices are helpful.
Elizabeth's marriage.
BURKE Michael 63 years Status Widower Father Denis BURKE
LANE Elizabeth 54 years Status Single Father John LANE
4 Dec 1915
At St Ignatius Church Norwood Nor 265/774
I certainly suggests to me there were many more births to John LANE and Mary FARRELL than were registered.
Plenty of leads for you to follow.
Cando
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Many thanks Cando, all this extra information will keep me busy. The really good thing is that I now have a solid lead about Mary Farrell's origins, which is what I was hoping for when I posted this topic.
Bob
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I did find a Mary A FARRELL, 20 years,house servant, born Kensington Middlesex on the 1851 census, however there are lots of Mary FARRELLS born c1831 England ::).
Perhaps a trip to the SLSA or SARecords to look at the Assisted Immigrants records may give you some more info.
Bob you may like this if you are a Port Adelaide fan :)
The Advertiser 6 Aug 1954
Death Of Mr. Jack Quinn
Mr. Jack Quinn, father of two of the State's most brilliant rovers. Bob and Tom died vesterdav afternoon Mr. Quinn played with Port Adelaide from 1899 to 1909. during which time he played for the State and led the Port team in 1904 and 1905. With the late. 'Welshy' Davies and Teddy Strawns he formed one of the most brilliant ruck combinations ever fielded by Port. He was a life member of the Port club.
There are literally pages of mentions for E STRAWNS on TROVE.
You may like to visit Cheltenham Cemetery as there is a headstone for Edward STRAWNS and his wife Elizabeth Ann.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/cheltenham_sz.htm
STRAWNS, EDWARD (DIED 1958), ELIZABETH ANN (DIED 1963 AGE 79)
Looking at your online tree you may like this reference
Births Mar 1872
PAYNE Jane Louise Islington 1b/343
Cheers
Cando
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Cando, you continue to surprise me!
I am a Port Adelaide Football Club fan - born and raised in the area. My great grandfather, Harry Lane (William Henry) was closely involved with PAFC (see Trove for The Advertiser Monday 8 October 1934, page 21, The Advertiser Tuesday 8 March 1927, page 15).
I am delighted to find more links to PAFC through Ted Strawns, and will definitely visit Cheltenham Cemetery to view the grave of Edward STRAWNS and his wife Elizabeth Ann. I have spent a lot of time in this cemetery. William Henry Lane (my great grandfather) and great grand mother Jane Louise Payne are buried together in this cemetery, along with many other relatives.
Bob