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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: aj57 on Tuesday 14 June 05 02:43 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help with how to find a birth register .
Name: Thomas Muir
D.O.B : 25th August !844/1845.
Place : Stonebyres Falls of Clyde.
Parents on his marriage details show George Muir /Mary (Brown).
Scotlandspeople have no record of his birth.
Any ideas welcomed!
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Hi there,
I 'think' it might be in the parish of Lesmahagow - but not 100% sure. You could try having a look at the OPRs for that parish which might help. I am not sure where you are based, but they will be available at New Register House in Edinburgh and at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow.
Also, have you tried searching with a variant of Muir as it could have been transcribed incorrectly when they were indexing the records for the site (I have had a couple of issues with this before)?
Hope you find your ancestor :-)
Cheers,
Clare
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Thanks for the info but I am based in Australia so I am not sure how to get info from those places.
I also tried every possible name variant it still didn't help!
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Hi there,
I have done a little digging around... is this your Thomas Muir?
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Muir.html
I just put "Thomas Muir" Stonebyres into google and got quite a lot of hits. If he is indeed the correct one.
Cheers,
Clare
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Yes that's the right Thomas he is my G G'father.There is so much written about him but I just need to connect the dots e.g I can't find his birth recorded to find out more personal details.
On his marriage details it lists his father George (railway superindentant) but all my research shows him as a shoemaker in Biggar,following his father William's occupation.
I found a marriage for his parents George & Mary (Brown)1843 Lanark but now while researching his home 'Nemphlar'at Stonebyres Linn 1841 census shows George 35 ,sons William 11,John 9,James 7, George 5, Peter 3.then someone posts a 1851 census George 47,Mary 47, Peter 12,Thomas 6,Andrew 4,then someone else posts a 1861 census shows George 59 Mary (Brown)59 Thomas 16, Andrew14,Margaret 8.
So until I can find his birth details & who are his siblings I am so confused!!!!!!! Hope you haven't fallen asleep yet .How good are you at solving puzzles?
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Hi there,
I'm not too sure how I am with solving puzzles, given how many brickwalls of my own I have :). However, leave this one with me, and I will see what I can do.
In the meantime, have you tried searching for his will - as that might show some siblings on it?
Cheers,
Clare
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I know most of the details of his 4 children , he moved to South Africa in 1892.I can find info abt his 2 daughters( lived in South Africa) & 1 of his sons (my gfather who lived in Australia) the other son?.I was looking to see if Thomas had any brothers /sisters? I have obtained lots of info from South Africian Library etc but not a lot of personal Scotland details. South African sites seemed to be limited a lot more than others.
Have I confused you even more now?
Thanks
Ann
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Hi there,
Not at all - I'm just clutching at straws. There are many issues with Scottish records before 1855, when statutory registration was introduced. Before 1855, people were still obliged to register the births of children, but there are many reasons why you may not find people in the Old Parish Registers
- Records may not have survived
- Parents may not have registered the birth for whatever reason
- The minister may not have been as conscientious as some at keeping records(how good a record keeper they are varies from minister to minister and parish to parish
- The family may not have belonged to the Church of Scotland
- The entry may have been written incorrectly in the register itself, or transcribed incorrectly by scotlandspeople
And that's only a few suggestions!
This is why I am suggesting that you look for alternate sources, as well as the OPRs, as I have had similar problems where people just seem to 'vanish'. I will however keep on digging around :)
Cheers,
Clare
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Nothing wrong with the census lists, the older kids were probably sent out of home the minute they were old enough.
George's age on the 1841 census is rounded down and the other ages flow thru.
My guess is ...
George ( b abt 1805) wife Mary (1805)
Children: William (1830), John (1832), James (1834), George (1836), Peter (1838), Thomas (1845), Andrew (1847), Margaret (1853)... Kids births being approximate.
The marriage could be wrong or maybe they got married then ? Check Kirk sessions, and the parish registers at you local LDS centre.
If the census is from the same house then no real problem at all, the marriage is the least of concerns.
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Thanks for the info ,the 1841 census is for "linnhead" Nemphlar, the 1851 census shows Andrew 4 born Cambusnethan,the 1861(taken in Cambusnethan) shows Andrew & Margaret born in Overton.
The person researching Nemphlar ( i have a family photo of the house with a relative writing 'the house where i was born George J Muir') sent me the 1841 details & says the cottage became unoccupied between 1861-1871.
I believe its all connected somehow but I can't find anywhere to say all these children are his siblings as I can't find their birth details to say all their parents were George & mary Muir.(& can't find any marriage except 1843).
1841 census shows wife away that day. Has she died after Peter's birth 1839 & George remarried????
Being an Aussie I have checked resources on the net = Familysearch, also spent a 'small 'fortune on Scotslandpeople.
Now that I have totally confused all of us I'll end now & I am so pleased I don't get charged for each word I write.
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You do not have a local Latter Day Saints Church ? You can view a copy of the original OPRs at the LDS centre (abt $ 3-4). As I said, there is nothing really wrong with the census info. And all those kids would be his siblings. Birthplaces change on every census sometimes. Dont Worry. :)
Get Maps of the local area, study the original OPRs, "He who seeks shall find .... " .
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What is the difference looking on the internet 'Familysearch'
or going to LDS Church? Do they have more records etc?
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I have look up the Scottish Old Parocial Records for Thomas Muir can not find birth or christening for him but found the following do not know if related.
Margaret Glover Muir Christened 8 July 1866
William Muir " 9 Feb 1868
Robert " " 11 Jan 1870
Mary " " 2 July 1871
All Christened London Road Secession Glasgow Lanark Scotland
All Born to George Muir and Mary Brown.
Best I acn come up with.
Hudggy
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1851 Index for Lanarkshire has in Cambusnethan
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Thanks to Hudggy for the info but I checked a marriage on Familysearch a George married Mary 1865 so that would be probably be that families details (mine need to be closer to 1840).
Thanks to Falkryn also. A few people have sent me census 1841,1851,1861 they all seem to connect to the same family but I can't find any birth records to match these parents to prove its the right family.
Any more ideas very welcomed!!!!
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The information you are looking for will be held in the old parish registers which are held on microfiche at Hamilton Public Library telephone UK 01698 452121 ask for local family history section
Cheers
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Thanks to brownmac for the info but I am based in Australia. :D
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I've checked the BVRI and the only matches in there are those already supplied for the later dates.
Sorry.
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What exactly do you want ?
Do you think the census is not proof of relationships ?
The original OPRs are on microfilm available from the local Latter Day Saints Church family history centre, unless you are in the desert, there will be one local in town. The original film of the OPRs is way different than the familysearch site and may have all sorts of additional info.
You have been offered some great info in regards to the census (Falkyrn).
You are basing everything on a Marriage certificate (not the most reliable guide to ages of the participants) ?
???
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I didn't realise I was causing an issue. I was just answering other peoples replies to my posting.
I agree with the census and have thanked everyone for their replies and no I don't live in the desert & I have tried contacting FHC but they don't answer the phone & the main office keeps telling me they don't know why!
I was just looking for confirmation I had the right family as I have only joined Rootschat recently and not sure why I could not find any Marriage or birth details for their 8 children especially after searching Scotlandspeople.
Maybe people just like answering me !! 8)
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