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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: redkop on Wednesday 07 August 13 13:24 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have a Peter Breen b 1907, Liverpool. His parents were Peter Breen and Mary Rogers, and he married Ann Rosenthall.
I am trying to find more information on his father, Peter (b 1886, ?where), also his wife's family of Rosenthall.
Hi wife Ann's mother and father were Andrew James Rosenthall and Margaret McQuiggan.
Andrew's father was either James John or John James. I would like to know where he was born and when. Also, with a name like that, could the family have been immigrants?
Any information you can find would be very welcome.
T.I.A.
Red :)
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Have youfound the family in 1911? Sorry we cant do look ups.
Where does Peter senior say he was born?
I see the Peter Breen/Mary Rogers marriage was in 1903. If yr of birth is 1886, then he would only be 17.
The marriage cert would give his fathers name.
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Marriage for Andrew J Rosenthall Sept qtr 1903 Toxteth Park vol 9b page 468 one of possible spouses is Margaret McQuiggan.
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Death for Andrew March qtr 1929 Liverpool vol 8b page 301. Aged 51 so date of birth c.1878.
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wonder if this is him??
1901
47 Leyden St Kirkdale Lancs
John P Breen head M 46 Vulcaniser (Rubber Works) Ireland
Annie wife 42 Ireland
PETER son U 20 able seaman Ireland
Miles J son 14 worker (tobacco factory) Liverpool Lancs
Annie daughter 8 Liverpool
RG13 3470 16 23
Dorset England Crew Lists
27/1/1900
Port Weymouth
Ship: Lizzie
Peter Breen 19 b. Wexford Ireland Able Seaman
On 1911 index he seems to be on a ship
There is another peter Breen b.c.same time Liverpool but he seems to be in prison at the time of the census.
Marriage cert would give father's name and occupation
1911 census should show whether this Peter was married or not
Suz
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Possible on the 1881 census in Liverpool - ref RG11, piece 3615, folio 78, page 59
Mary Rosenthal, widow, 26 charwoman b Liverpool
Andrew Rosenthal, 3 b Liverpool
Mary Rook, mother 44, widow b Sheffield
plus associated boarders
can't see a Rook/ Rosenthall marriage though ???
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this looks like Andrew James and Margaret's marriage -
Catholic
19 Juli 1903
Andrew Jacobum Rosenthall 6 Mosley St
filium Jacobi et Margaritan McQuiggan
"witnesses"
Joanne Laverty 6 Mosley St
Anna Platts? 61 Luke |St
Suz
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Here's the marriage of Andrew's parents:-
Date: 27 Oct 1875
Church: St James, Toxteth
Groom: John Rosenthal, 37, Batchelor, Carpenter
Father: Andrew Rosenthal, Carpenter
Bride: Mary Rock, 23, Spinster
Father: James Rock, Grainer?
Witness 1: Charles Grant
Witness 2: Mary ?
Blue
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Rock not Rook - well spotted Blue ;D
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Wow!
thank you for your quick replies. I will have to go through them all.
Sorry, I should have said that they are indeed Catholic Marriages.
Thank you,
Red :)
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Just for interest it looks like Mary Rosenthal remarries to one of her boarders from 1881 - 1891 census - Charles Bailey, 36 a dockyard labourer b Boston, USA - ref RG12 piece 2925 folio 119 page 6 :)
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Could this be our man?
John Sigsmund Rosenthall born about 1837 in Austria
1861 Census: Pudsey, Yorkshire
Blue
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Hi Red,
Could this be Peters parents buried in Ford Cemetery TW 368?
Peter John Breen died 57 Bulford Road L9 age 76. interred on 4/9/1958.
Mary Breen died at 126 Smithdown Road (hospital?) age 47. interred on 14/7/1932
James John Breen died at Broadgreen Sanitorium age 20. int 8/2/1935.
Also in the same grave are Mary Barton age 3 days 1935, Mary Barton age 32 1937, John Andrew Barton age 34 1937.
Oz
ps 1911 census is free on a certain subscription website until October .
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Hi again Red,
Think these may be yours too.
Ford cemetery TW 204.Deed holder Margaret Rosenthall.
Andrew James Rosenthall. died 126 Smithdown Rd L15 age 51. interred 1/3/1929
Mary Rosenthall died 126 Smithdown Rd age 25. int 15/9/1932.
Mary 49 Laxey St age 63. int 29/6/1943 (am thinking maybe typo should be Marg)
Hilda Rosenthall died Cleaver Sanitorium age 21.int 18/11/1943
James Rosenthall died at 17D Sussex Gardens L8 age 60. int 12/11/1964
good luck
Oz
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Hi Oz,
thanks for your reply.
it wouldn't surprise me if they were at Ford Cemetery, but I don't think these Breens belong to me. My Peter b 1907 and died 1984. His wife Ann Rosenthall b 1908 d 1974.
Peter's father, Peter Breen b 1885 married Mary Rogers in 1903 Liverpool. Peter (b1907) had one child James b 1937 Liverpool, d 2008.
I can only find one brother of Peter b 1907, his name is Daniel b 1918 Liverpool, and one sister, Mary b 1905, Liverpool. I'm not sure if there was other siblings, and no nothing of these two.
I know there are a lot of Breens in the north part of the City of Liverpool, but as far as I know, my husbands family are the only one's in the south of the city, another reason the Breens you mentioned are probably not mine.
I hope this makes sense ::)
Thanks again everyone for your help.
Red :)
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Wow! thanks oz,
they are definitely my Rosenthalls ;D
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Hi again,
Ford DY 176
Ann Breen died 5B Northumberland St Age 66 int 6/8/1974
Peter Thomas Breen died 5B Northumberland St age 77 int 14/11/1984
in 1911 Peter is 3 living at 35 Beaufort St Toxteth Park.
Oz