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Title: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Connie Sparrow on Monday 05 August 13 12:25 BST (UK)
A friend has asked me to help her decipher a place in Queens County.  She's sent me a image of a part of what appears to be a census.  I've asked her for more information.

I've uploaded the image.  Can anyone help with the place please?  I can't find anywhere even close.  My map isn't very detailed.

http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/queens-county/
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: conahy calling on Monday 05 August 13 21:20 BST (UK)
hi Connie Sparrow      To me the placename looks like it begins with "Ga.... "  I checked    www.thecore.com/seanruad        Also tried         www.irish-place-names.com      Cant find any place that looks like it.  "Garrafin"  or "Garragh"   ???
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: annclare on Monday 05 August 13 22:39 BST (UK)
I'm not sure the second letter is a there seems to be a letter between G and A - what census is this form it might help to look at the original.
annclare
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Connie Sparrow on Tuesday 06 August 13 13:24 BST (UK)
hi Connie Sparrow      To me the placename looks like it begins with "Ga.... "  I checked    www.thecore.com/seanruad        Also tried         www.irish-place-names.com      Cant find any place that looks like it.  "Garrafin"  or "Garragh"   ???

Hallo

Thanks for having a look.  I'm glad it's not just me who's stumped.

I've had a look at the word (or words) at several different resolutions.  I'm still none the wiser.  I thought the word started Gla.... but there's nothing that fits.  I'm wondering now if the enumerator overwrote the 'l' and 'a' to make is an 'o'.  The only place I could find then was Gorey but that's not in Queens County.

Thanks for the URLs.  I've bookmarked them.

Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Connie Sparrow on Tuesday 06 August 13 13:34 BST (UK)
I'm not sure the second letter is a there seems to be a letter between G and A - what census is this form it might help to look at the original.
annclare

Hallo

Thanks for having a look.

I think the second letter is an 'l' but it and the 'a' were overwritten so the word starts 'Go..'.  I'm not sure if it's one or two words.

My friend's sent me the full census page but there's no RG reference, nor place.  The date is 5 April 1891 which is the date of the English/Welsh census.  I'm not sure when other censuses were taken that year.  The places of birth are: England, Ireland, Bengal and Malta.  Where an occupation is given it's a military one with one exception - a monthly nurse.  The page is for an institutuion so I'm thinking a barracks or similar.  I'm still trying to get more information from my friend as to where exactly the family were because I can't find them on either FindMyPast or Ancestry.

The surnames on the page are DOWNER, HOARE, HYDE, OSBORNE, WALL, OWENS, JERRAN, EVELEIGH, CROOK, CURLEY and ARNOLD.

As soon as I can find out any more, I'll post it up.
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Connie Sparrow on Tuesday 06 August 13 13:53 BST (UK)
As soon as I can find out any more, I'll post it up.

Bingo!

It was a barracks.

The Barracks, Sandown, Brading, Hampshire

The ref is RG12 Piece 894 Folio 133, Page 4

Thank you Ancestry!  :D
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 06 August 13 13:57 BST (UK)
Could it be Garrymore!
There is a place of that name in Queens County in the 1901 census.
Perhaps the loop is an attempt to remove that second letter and make it part of the a.
Looking at the New of Newbridge the pool of Liverpool and the Queens County the persons writing was inclined to "melt" to put it politely.
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: annclare on Tuesday 06 August 13 15:08 BST (UK)

Bingo!

It was a barracks.

The Barracks, Sandown, Brading, Hampshire

The ref is RG12 Piece 894 Folio 133, Page 4

Thank you Ancestry!  :D
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Looked at the record on Ancestry but just couldn't make it out but found the family in the UK 1901 Census also in Sandown and it gives Mary P Owens' birthplace as Maryboro (now Portlaoise)  Queens County. Could what looks like a G in the 1891 census be a M badly written? the rest would fit with Maryboro.
annclare
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Connie Sparrow on Tuesday 06 August 13 18:21 BST (UK)
Could it be Garrymore!
There is a place of that name in Queens County in the 1901 census.
Perhaps the loop is an attempt to remove that second letter and make it part of the a.
Looking at the New of Newbridge the pool of Liverpool and the Queens County the persons writing was inclined to "melt" to put it politely.

 :)

That's a lovely way to put it!  The writing is certainly inconsistent.

It could be Garrymore. I'll pass that on to my friend and let her take it from there.

Thank you for your help :)
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Connie Sparrow on Tuesday 06 August 13 18:27 BST (UK)

Looked at the record on Ancestry but just couldn't make it out but found the family in the UK 1901 Census also in Sandown and it gives Mary P Owens' birthplace as Maryboro (now Portlaoise)  Queens County. Could what looks like a G in the 1891 census be a M badly written? the rest would fit with Maryboro.
annclare

The enumerator's 'M's are inconsistent but in the 1891 the initial letter is definitely a 'G'.  Variable birth places is one of the pitfalls of the censuses.  It makes things 'fun' though ;)

I'll pass on Maryboro to my friend and let her take it from there.

Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: danishdots on Saturday 23 November 13 14:34 GMT (UK)
Wonder could it be Garryhinch - outside Portarlington/

Danishdots ???
Title: Re: Help please on a place in Queens County
Post by: Nailer1 on Monday 23 December 13 18:41 GMT (UK)
2nd vote for Garryhinch  -  without knowing of Danishpots suggestion.