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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Shirleyjjj on Monday 05 August 13 00:50 BST (UK)
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help with the unifoms please most likely to be ww2 period or ww1 the older man was born about 1890
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The gentleman on the left is almost definitely a sailor in the Royal Navy - his ship is emblazoned on his cap. I can't make out whether that's a black ribbon on his cap-band or something on the print. Could he be in mourning(?)
I'm not sure about the other gent with the pale-coloured lapels - he looks like a hospital or medical orderly or volunteer - or he could be an inmate/patient in a military hospital.
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If you retake the photo with flash turned OFF you'll get much better results - do it by daylight or indirect electric light - taking care to avoid glare, reflections and shadows :)
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The guy on the right is wearing "Hospital Blues" if you post his name...it's possible to trace him if he was wounded and got a silver war badge.
Carol
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Hi Andreajjj
help with the unifoms please most likely to be ww2 period or ww1 the older man was born about 1890
Definitely WW1. Royal Navy for chap on left. Recovering wounded soldier on right wearing "Hospital Blues" with own cap.
Alan
PS sorry Treetotal - we crossed!
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;D ;D ;D...I was modifying my post and was interrupted ::) ;D ;D ;D
Andrea if you post his name he may be able to be traced if he was wounded and received a "Silver War" badge.
Carol
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hi many thanks for the posts its all a great help
chap on right was called John Scholes born about 1890 i can get the exact date if its needed - not sure about the other guy as i did think it was my mothers cousin who could still be alive but im not sure - no name and as i cant date it - but if its WW1 this would not be my mothers cousin as he wouldnt fit with age -
unfortunatley i dont know much about my grandfather John Scholes past i didnt know he served in the war until i found this pic as no-one told me -
any more help appreciated
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Where was he born and did he have a middle name Andrea?
Carol
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john Scholes born Bury 1893 - no middle name
lived in Bolton - occupation was driver
not sure of his age on the pic and ive still no idea who the lad is on the left is so far as my mother is no longer alive to ask
also there is no date on the pciture either
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There is a matching Army record for John Scholes born in Bury...Mother is Mary Hannah Scholes of 61, Eton Hill, Radcliffe...He was in the Royal Engineers.
Carol
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If this is your man...then he received a Silver War badge issued to the sick or wounded...
Pioneer John Scholes
Enlisted 30/08/1919...Discharged 19/09/1918
Royal Engineers Prov. Co
Reg. No 328445
Unit....Royal Engineers (Chatham; Tavistock Square, London)
Carol
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hi,
my sister has some ww1 medals but we thought they were grandads on the other side of the family - ill ask her to dig them out -
his mothers name is harriett Scholes - they were living in Bolton on the 1911 census but hes listed as born in Ainsworth and that birth would have been registered in Bury at that time
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hi
get sis to look at the edge of the medals they will have his name and service number regiment on the 1914 star this info is stamped on the back
yours
trevor
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hi,
just looking at some pictures of hospital blues - i never knew about that i just thought his unifrom was a bit creased - thanks for all the information all very useful -#
ive e mailed my sister to ask her to look at the medals if if she knows who the lad is (but i dont think she will as this is long time before my parents even met but you never know )
And i think the lad is too old to be my mums cousin working out the dates and ages in my head
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Thanks Trevor ill do that - cheers !!
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ok sis said he fought in the midde East in ww1 and this is where he learnt how to drive and he used to drive the officers around and he used to wear a turban he was in the desert in Saudi Arabi
neither myself or my sister know much more but she says there should be more pictures (there are none) and the medals disappeared (we both have our own thoughts as to who has ended up with these but its not a blood family memebr but obvioulsy cant post on here )
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Is the info I found not your rellie then?
Carol
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not sure Carol the parents are Harriett and thomas but the age and dates fit - i would like to find more info about his service record and possibly who the lad is in the picture - if this uniform is called hospital blues does it mean they took the picture in hospital ?
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Hi Andrea
. . . if this uniform is called hospital blues does it mean they took the picture in hospital ?
In or around a military hospital or convalescent home I would think - he's still in the Army at this point. Regarding the naval uniform and the white duck cap I am unclear about the change back from dark blue after WW1 which might provide a date. A link on the Armed Forces/WW1 board would likely answer this.
Alan
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Hi alan -
ive just magnified the original pic and the band around the young lads cap says 'ambulance service '
and idea ? hes also got a white badge thing on the lower right hand sleeve looks like a sewn on emblem of some sort in the shape of a big crown thingy
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any better?
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sorry about the size it wont let me uplaod the big size
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wonder if he could have been in the 2nd royal navy division field ambulance they helped on land wherever needed ? .
trevor
ps john scholes could have been part of the Palestine campaign ww1 [ you never know he may have met Lawrence of Arabia , te to his friends .! ]
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t mo - EXACTLY !!
ye my mum used to have a picture of Lawrence of Arabia it was in my grandfathers posessions but sadly fell into the hands of someone who is none family (again same person and cant discuss on here ) this is totally true and she said it is priceless and the other person refused to hand it to her and my mum was in mourning for her father and was upset about it too
I know that she wanted to have it
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Hi all
After further research I have now found out that the lad to the right is my great uncle Herbert who served on naval vessels in ww1 and the left is his brother John (my grandad which i already know). I'm not too sure if i can enlarge the writing on the lads cap and i did think it read ambulance service, but after reading his service record on ancestry it may well be the name of a ship as he served on several and it may be my eyes trying to guess - and it may well say HMS and then a name but ill have to try to enlarge the original.
The ships were Tiger, vivid 1, and several others , his service number was ss8174 and he was a few years younger than grandad.
Herbert did not perish in the war - he lived until he was 75 , but I dont have any other details , as mum and her brother are now passed ,I would like to find out some more details and perhaps pass on the picture to his family if they don't have it as i don't know if he ever got married .
He did not die in the war