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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: wild13s on Sunday 04 August 13 05:56 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me with information about the Kilshane cemetery. Family members have told me that our Sinclair family are buried in this cemetery. I have searched on line but cannot seem to locate an address for it.I know that the family had property in the Bansha area and have documents telling me that was where they farmed. My GGrandfather went to England in the late 1800's but his family all stayed in Ireland in the above area. We are visiting Ireland in October and would love to try and locate any records re my GGrandparents and their other children. I do have some BDM records and are all from this area, I know that Thomas Sinclair married Mary Turner in 1862 at Kilmoyfer (? unsure of spelling) Church and that 9 of their 18 children were born and baptised in this church, or so my G Aunt told me. Any help would be greatly appreciated as to where I start to search.
Dianne
Australia
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what better man to ask than an undertaker.
O'Heneys undertakers
Bansha co tipp
phone 062 54250
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1901 census shows him at house no 1 bansha west age 64 wife mary 66 daughter frances age 34.
1911 hose no 59 bansha town thos age 74 widower frances daughter 40 all farmers.
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from familysearch.org death index.
mary sinclair age 77 apr june 1910 tipperary vol 3 page 431.
thomas sinclair age 78 july sep 1914 tipperary vol 3 page 359.
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My GGrandfather went to England in the late 1800's but his family all stayed in Ireland in the above area. We are visiting Ireland in October and would love to try and locate any records re my GGrandparents and their other children. I do have some BDM records and are all from this area, I know that Thomas Sinclair married Mary Turner in 1862 at Kilmoyfer (? unsure of spelling) Church and that 9 of their 18 children were born and baptised in this church, or so my G Aunt told me. Any help would be greatly appreciated as to where I start to search.
Dianne
Australia
A link to Kilmoyler Church -was uses as an R.c church and Church of Ireland according to the site.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irishchurches/RC%20Churches/Bansha.html
I see the Sinclair family were Church of Ireland and looking at the list of C of I records it seems that the records for Templeneiry C of I parish that would include the Bansha Kilmoyler area didn't survive. To make sure you could contact the RCB Library in Churchtown Dublin and they would be able to give further information.
e-mail library@ireland.anglican.org
Website www.library.ireland.anglican.org
An Isaac Sinclair is listed in Griffiths valuation (land tax survey) !851 in Corrogbeg townland parish of Kilshane - Is he related to Thomas? You can view the listing at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
annclare
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calendar of wills shows thomas sinclair left 776pds 18 sh 11d to a frederick johnstone clerk in 1914 no mention of frances. frances died 1933 in tipperary.
the calendar of wills also shows a thomas sinclair of tipperary died in 1858 and his will was proved in waterford by his widow margaret, you said your gg grandfather went to england so probably not him.
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scraps of info gleaned from other sites thomas snr and junior shopkeepers ,robert turner merchant and miller.
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from tipperary genealogy, protestant marriages.
30 aug 1854 james sinclair ,farmer son of thomas sinclair shopkeeper to
eliza cleary dtr joseph cleary ,farmer.
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i find this hard to believe as you said they were a large family but i went through every single entry on 1901 census for sinclair looking for those born in tipperary not a single one to be found other than thomas,mary and frances, did they all take the boat.
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Many thanks to all the replies received, I had located most of the information given above, also finding it very hard to believe there were 18 children, think this might be a bit of an exaggeration. I have located 9, but most did not survive to be in the 1901 or 1911 census. Cannot work out where son Thomas Sinclair was in both census as he was born in 1870 and died in 1953.I agree there are only 3 and 2 Sinclairs respectively in the two census and they are the correct ones.
Will contact the Church of Ireland to see if they can help with locating the grave yard, if it does exist. It was great to hear that the RC and Church of Ireland shared the church as that was a bit of a stumbling block as I was aware that the family were Church of Ireland and couldn't find that church on their website.
Again thank you for the help
Dianne
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Hi Anna, Isaac Sinclair and Thomas were brothers, Isaac was a farmer and Thomas was a shopkeeper, it seems. He is the one you located on the Griffiths Valuation, also it is his probate documents listing his daughter Margaret as his beneficiary.
Dianne
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Hi Dianne,
I am involved with Historicgraves.ie where we voluntarily digitize graveyards all over Ireland. I am from East Limerick but most of my interest is in West Tipperary. I am most interested in the parish Bansha where most of my ancestors came from. I am very familiar with Kilshane graveyard so i visited there this evening and this is the Sinclair inscription.
Sacred to the memory of
Thomas Sinclair of Tipperary
who died on the 7th Feb ry 1858
aged 60yrs
also his son Robert Sinclair
who died on the 15th May 1852
aged 27yrs
This headstone at least will take you back to 1798.
If you go into historicgraves.ie you will find a headstone in the Church of Ireland graveyard in Tulla, Co. Clare. There may or may not be a connection. If your coming over in October give me a shout and i'll show it to you. Any other help you want don't hesitate to ask. Hope this helps.
P.J.
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HI PJ,
Many thanks for the headstone information, it was very good of you to go and find it for us. Am so looking forward to standing there and seeing it for my self. As for the grave in Tulla, I haven't found, as yet, any Jannet Sinclair in the family, her birth would have been around 1780, her birth date would make her the age of Thomas' mother but we have no information about his parents at all. We only have a short time in Ireland at the end of our trip but will definitely email if time permits to go to this grave as well.
again thank you
Dianne
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Hi:
Jannet Sinclair's headstone is located in the COI graveyard of Tulla, County Clare and is available to view through the Historic Graves website at http://historicgraves.com/tulla-church-ireland/cl-tuci-0034/grave.