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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: wakokid on Saturday 03 August 13 14:44 BST (UK)
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My grandfather is Charles Frederick Nutman b 1878, Newcastle Upon Tyne.
I have picked him up on every census and have also found his WW1 Merchant Seaman record and Medals Card. Just as I thought that I was getting a complete picture of him a 'cover all' serach on Google has come up with a possible match in 'The Men of the Imperial Yeomanry, Lovats Scouts and Scottish Horse in the Boer War 1899 to 1902'.
He is listed as Nutman, Charles Frederick 41823, Trooper* 36th Bn IY.
How can I find out if this is the same man and if so more about him.
He is listed as being at 29 Raby Street, Gateshead in the 1901 Census. I also understand that the 33rd to 38th Battalions arrived in South Africa after the armistice and therefore did not receive QSA medals.
Can anybody help ?
Wakokid
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Sorry I mean find out more about his time in this war.
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I have just looked on FindMyPast and found that his Battalion did not deply to South Africa.
Still interested to know anything about the Imperial Yeomanry and where he might have enlisted/trained etc.
assuming it is him, of course.
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I'm guessing you found him here:
http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/impyeomanryl.html
there seems to be a little about them there.
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There's a little on the Imperial Yeomanry here:
http://www.angloboerwar.com/unit-information/imperial-yeomanry
Have a browse for background - I couldn't find any reference to a Nutman I'm afraid.
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Paul
Thank you for helping. These are the two I have found as well.
As he was in Gateshead/Newcastle area, I am now investgating the Northumberland Imperial Yeomanry which also includes Durham. I 've found lots of background which is good.
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Happy to help - I 'discovered' a great uncle fought in the 2nd Boer war in the Bethunes as a surprise so I understand how you feel.
There does seem to be little out there though.
Paul
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hi,,,there is also a militia record for him,,,,he joined the Royal Garrison Artillery in 1906,,,,was not present for training by the following year.The record gives a brief description of him,and notes he had a tattoo of a female on his left forearm in memory of his mother ;)
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Gortonboy
Thank you.
How do I get to view this record/find out more?
Firstly I need to be sure it is the same man but on the assumption that it is, I need some guidance. I hope you can help!
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He appears a lot on Ancestry - marrying Eleanor Dodds in 1899. A birth of Charles Frederick Nutman, presumably a son, in 1901. In the 1911 census his wife entered him on line 1 but crossed it out - he was not in residence that night. He is a seagoing fireman. By then 2 daughters, 4 children born of the marriage, one has died presumably the son as another Charles Frederick is born in 1912 but dies immediately.
In 1929 he is seaman arriving from Bombay on the Macedonia age 51, residence Cardiff. So we might assume that he had a second marriage to Maud Hyett in 1917 in Cardiff. However I can't find a death of Eleanor Nutman before 1920. So lots of information around 0- there is more - but lots of research needed.
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Hackstaple
Thank you - I have most of the information you have except that they lost two children. Sad but interesting to follow up. He married my grandmother Maud Hyett in 1917 in Cardiff and interestingly had Bachelor as his marital status on that Marriage Certificate. We believe, therefore, that he conveniently forgot about his first marriage in Newcastle.
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Hackstaple
I am fairly new to this so learning all the time.
I have looked up the Ancestry Charles Frederick Nutman record for 1901 - it is wrongly logged and misdirects you. However, this relates to Christina Nutman born 1901 Q3 Vol 10a Page 1042, who I already have as one of the daughters.
I have found a Ruby Elizabeth Nutman, b 1902 died 1903 so subject to getting copies of the certificates this looks like one of the children.
Charles Frederick Nutman b/d 1912 would be after the 1911 census so shouldn't figure in the 4 children born 3 still alive.
Now this is here my inexperience shows through - there would appear to be a third child alive but not living with them. How do I follow this up? Help!
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Sorry I forgot to say another daughter Lena born 1905.
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Sorry I forgot to say another daughter Lena born 1905.
The children with Eleanor in 1911 are indeed Christina, 10 and Lena, 4. Lena was bn. Newcastle, Mum and Christina in Gateshead. I don't find the son anywhere in 1911.
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Gortonboy
Thank you.
How do I get to view this record/find out more?
Firstly I need to be sure it is the same man but on the assumption that it is, I need some guidance. I hope you can help!
his 4 page militia record is available on the findmypast website,,,,,,there is also his cr10 merchant navy card,,which includes a photo,,,,,do you have that?