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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Georgfriedrich on Friday 02 August 13 21:15 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to get some information on Sidney Long.
I only have him recorded in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.
1901 he is aged eight and living with my great-grandfather Arthur Owen and his partner Emily Jane Owen at 26 Copenhagen Place, Limehouse
1911 he is aged 18 and living at Copenhagen Place with Arthur and Emily. He has no occupation. I don't think that he is anything to do with Emily because Arthur wrote that Sidney was his nephew in 1911 and living there at the same time was Henry Brett who Arthur writes is 'wife's brother'...
In both instances he is listed as being Arthur's nephew but there is no one who I can think of in the family who's child he might be and no one married a 'Long'. I thought about illegitimate children but I can't see why they would disguise his surname. and call him Arthur's nephew.
It is difficult. :-\
I cannot seem to find anything in the FreeBMD.
I know nothing about him apart from the census returns, and no one ever spoke of someone named Sidney Long being part of the family, however Arthur was somewhat estranged from his children in later life.
Can anyone assist?
Bye for now
Kirk
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1901 birthplace is Stepney
There is a Baptism 26.2.1892 St Mary Harrow of Sidney Long parents Charles William & Kate. Charles was a bricklayer
or from freebmd
Births June qtr 1892
Sidney Long St. George Hanover Sq. 1a 465
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There are also a number of Sydney Long births in the London area but with middle names
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I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the child is something to do with Emily. They were not actually married, were they - was Eliza his lawful wife?
Has anyone from the family been found in 1891?
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How about this....
Arthur's sister Eliza Matilda married James William Standen in 1855.
In 1881 they have a 20 yr old servant Mary A Long, single, born Poplar. Is Sidney hers?
By 1891 Eliza has died and James has another servant.
Dawn
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just had a look at ww1 attestation papers of Sidney Frederick Long, address given is 36 Copenhagen Place Limehouse, and his medals were signed for by Arthur Owen & E Owen
He died in 1917
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/519183/LONG,%20S%20F
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Snap, dawnsh! You just beat me to it.
According to his service record when he enlisted on 6/5/1915 he was 22 years and 2 mos - which would make him born February/early March 1893. His next of kin given as his aunt Emily Owen.
Think this could be his birth entry:
Sydney Frederick Long Jun.qtr.1893 Mile End.
Annette
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Giving Emily as his next of kin infers she is the relative, not Arthur
Emily's sister Rose Annie Brett might be worth investigating further, she married Edward Slomowski in 1886 who died in 1890, leaving her a widow with children. A family tree online suggests she died of TB in 1894 but I can't immediately see the entry under Slomowski or Brett.
Dawn
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Giving Emily as his next of kin infers she is the relative, not Arthur
Emily's sister Rose Annie Brett might be worth investigating further, she married Edward Slomowski in 1886 who died in 1890, leaving her a widow with children. A family tree online suggests she died of TB in 1894 but I can't immediately see the entry under Slomowski or Brett.
Perhaps (promisingly) she died as Rosie Annie LONG aged 27, Dec qtr 1894 Stepney 1c 263.
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"promising" find, avm
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Marriage, Jun qtr 1892
Rose Anna STOWMAWSKI or STOWMASKI (per typed GRO index)
Sydney LONG
on the same page, Poplar 1c 996.
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Married May 15th 1892, All Saints Poplar, the name on the register though is Slomowski
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Just got to wait for Kirk to come back now ;D
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Just got to wait for Kirk to come back now ;D
Indeed :)
It looks to me as though Rose's second husband Sydney Long was born 17 Mar 1868 and baptised 10 April 1881 at St James Radcliff, parents William Henry (lighterman) and Louisa Catherine.
I think he was still alive in the censuses where his son was with aunt Emily.
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And I think this could well be the marriage:
Sydney Long and Rose Anna Stowmaski (?) are 2 in the Jun. qtr. 1892 Poplar.
Annette
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Indeed it is - the marriage is listed on London marriages on Ancestry - she's a widow and father is John Algar Brett.
Sorry - I've just seen this has already been mentioned (how did I miss that).
However, it definitely looks like Sydney and Rose are the parents of Sydney Frederick Long and that he was indeed a nephew of Emily.
Annette
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Dear Rootschatter,
I needn't tell you how super impressed I am!
I didn't ever really think that he was on the Owen side of the family.
To give you some background, Arthur was married to Eliza Flude. They had children and then Eliza died from asthma during a miscarriage.
Arthur had five children under the age of 12 plus a business to run. He began to go down hill fast. The business was lost, the house (bought in the early 1850s by his now deceased, entrepreneurial father) was sold and he took to drinking. He then met up with Emily and I am not sure if she came to help with the children or what but the upshot was that Arthur, Emily and the children moved to Nottingham for a period of time and when they returned they were Mr and Mrs Owen.
The children did not approve. They blamed Arthur for their situation which saw them have to leave school and go to work, their descent in the social order, and the intrusion of Emily. Arthur tried to deal with it by asserting his authority but the children constantly rebelled which must have made for one heck of a life! None of them returned to London with Arthur, preferring to make their way in the world. My grandfather ran away to see when he realised that he might have to go with Arthur who in family legend became the vengeful Victorian papa.
It seems that he was a victim of circumstance but of course children don't always see it that way and apart from the youngest who returned with him, none of the other had contact with him until he was very old - if at all. Emily was always portrayed as the wicked step-mother.
My grandfather did go to see Arthur when he was ill, in about 1925, taking my grandmother with him. He had still kept the old family four poster bed and my grandmother told my father that Arthur was quite a terrifying figure when she met him. With a big beard and a gimlet eye. He died on Christmas day in 1926 and Emily died a few years later.
The story of him, in more prosperous days, chopping his youngest daughter's finger off with the carving knife because she pointed while he was carving the Christmas goose may be apocryphal but goes to show the view his children had of him.
Looking at things from over one hundred years later I do feel sorry for Arthur. I don't think he was quite the family ogre. He took in the orphaned Sydney Long and I see that he completed the 1911 census form for one of his neighbours which means that he must have been approachable enough for them to go and ask his help.
Anyway. thanks once again for sorting out Sydney for me. :)
Bye for now
Kirk
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Hi Kirk
Thanks for coming back with the update.
In trying to sort this out, it became apparent that Emily's sister Rosa Annie (or variants) didn't have the best of lives or fortune either, married and widowed very young, then following her children, not only did Sidney not survive the war, one of her Slomowski sons died at sea aged 17.
Emily must have been a tough cookie to take on her step family and sisters family in the apparent face of not being able to have children of her own.
Anyway, those who have helped out on this have been waiting with bated breath for you to come back and see the results.
Happy hunting in the future and, if you get stuck, you know where we are.
Dawn
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Yes I have had difficulty dealing with the 'new' format at Rootschat so that whenever I looked for replies over the weekend there didn't seem to be any, but I think I have sorted it all out now.
Thanks again Dawn and don't worry, I may have some other questions down the road...
Bye for now
Kirk
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Thank you for posting all of this as I am a descendant of the Slomowski side of the family.
You are correct, poor Rose Annie Slomowski nee Brett lost her 1st husband, Edward Slomowski, to TB whilst pregnant with their son Henry. On the 1891 census she is working as a domestic servant and the children are living with her parents in Shadwell. She appears to have married Sidney in 1892, had Sidney, and then shortly after died herself from TB in 1894. At this point, the eldest, my 8 year old g-grandfather Edward Slomowski, was put in to Banstead School, his younger sister Elitha, aged 6, was sent to a George Muller Orphanage in Bristol, where she died of TB aged 14. I can find NO mention of their brother Richard from birth onwards, so would love to know what happened to him? Poor Henry, aged 4, was sent to a school in Brighton and was lost at sea, aged 19, between Mexico and Sydney with all hands. All pretty tragic really.
It has taken me 20 years to piece this all together as the family seemed to have a tradition of taking the mothers maiden names, so I had no idea we were originally Slomowski! My grandmother Julia, was a Brett.
So, my questions unanswered are thus:
my G-Grandfather Edward Alfred Algar Slomowski, also known as Edward Brett, born in 1886, changed his name by deed poll in 1919 to James Everett,(his estranged wife's maiden name!) but then seems to disappear from all records. I would love to know what happened to him?
what happened to Richard Slomowski, born 21/12/1887?
Any help gratefully accepted! regards and thanks for the info, Jude
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Hi Jude
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Kirk (GeorgFriedrich) hasn't been online here for a few months but should receive an email notification that we have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Daw.
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Hello Jude,
I have been away for some time thanks to family and work which often intrude on my FT time.
Unfortunately I can provide you with little information on the Slomowskis because my g-grandfather Arthur is my link to Sidney Long and he unofficially adopted him as he was his second wife's nephew. I guess at such times when a parent dies, everyone who could, tried to help and Emily Brett decided that she could take in and look after Sidney. The only information that I can give you regarding the Bretts is that Emily says she was born in Clerkenwell, and in the 1911 census, her brother Edward (noted as a 'fish fryer') is living with her and Arthur, as well as Sidney.
Perhaps Richard Slomowksi changed his name to Brett as well…
Bye for now,
Kirk
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Thank you for posting all of this as I am a descendant of the Slomowski side of the family.
You are correct, poor Rose Annie Slomowski nee Brett lost her 1st husband, Edward Slomowski, to TB whilst pregnant with their son Henry. On the 1891 census she is working as a domestic servant and the children are living with her parents in Shadwell. She appears to have married Sidney in 1892, had Sidney, and then shortly after died herself from TB in 1894. At this point, the eldest, my 8 year old g-grandfather Edward Slomowski, was put in to Banstead School, his younger sister Elitha, aged 6, was sent to a George Muller Orphanage in Bristol, where she died of TB aged 14. I can find NO mention of their brother Richard from birth onwards, so would love to know what happened to him? Poor Henry, aged 4, was sent to a school in Brighton and was lost at sea, aged 19, between Mexico and Sydney with all hands. All pretty tragic really.
Charles Harford-Battersley (sic?) (Principal of Livingstone College), who applied for Elitha's admission, gave a list of the relatives, three uncles, an aunt and two brothers. Henry, as you say, was admitted to a school in Brighton but the other brother was called Edward, and he was admitted to Banstead School.
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I have only just seen this reply!
thank you for confirming my evidence...and still 6 years on I have no further info regarding their 'lost' brother, Richard, who is not mentioned on Elithas admission papers...dead? passed to another relative? who knows!
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judem64, have you ever established the whereabouts of Sarah Brett/Everett on the 1921 census. In 1911 census Edward & Sarah had 2 children, Julia & Edward. Did they have further children between 1911-1919 when Edward changes his name. If they did do you have birth certs for them and where they were born.
John
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apologies for missing this reply...
I have traced Sarah/Edward children forward and have had a recent breakthrough with Edward thanks to DNA.....which after all these years has been a massive treat.
I continue to be in awe of all Edward survived.....lost both parents as a child, grew up in an orphanage, lost all siblings...even his half brother, Sidney, in the war.....childhood trauma indeed......and I have a deep respect for him.
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judem64, have you ever established the whereabouts of Sarah Brett/Everett on the 1921 census. In 1911 census Edward & Sarah had 2 children, Julia & Edward. Did they have further children between 1911-1919 when Edward changes his name. If they did do you have birth certs for them and where they were born.
John
more apologies...
Sarah lived with and eventually married a man called Tite. She remained living in the same small area and one of her daughters is named on the death certificate, so she was in touch with some of her MANY children after Edward left. Its hard to say with accuracy how many of the live births are children of our Sarah from the certiciactes, some have Mr Tite as the father, but many of the interim ones have blank space for the father. DNA will, I suspect offer more interesting answers!