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So, what did you all think about this episode - were you captivated by coach driving in Colchester or confused by court procedings in Cornwall ;)?
I liked it (no surprise really - I can count on one hand the episodes that I don't like!) and I thought that Nigel came across really well - enthusiastic and keen to hear and understand what life was like at the time of his ancestors.
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There seemed to be an expert for everything! :D
They're never around when I'm doing my research, have to develop my own expertise ::)
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:D Maybe there is a cupboard full of experts at the production company's base. When they know what is in the family tree, the director sends a runner down to a filing cabinet in the basement to unleash them and wheel them into the shot ;)
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I enjoyed the programme but let's be honest I'd watch Nigel Havers knitting socks! It seemed to me that the Havers name disappeared somewhere from the family tree which Uncle Tony had - or did I just miss it? I wondered if this was going to be investigated but it wasn't.
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I enjoyed it, but as pp said, I always do! Especially interesting as my great-grandfather was a cab driver in London.
I thought the gravestones looked a little 'clean'! I can never read any of my ancestors' graves, if I manage to find them!
Toffee
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I think it was a female Havers who married a Buckingham, son of George and Elizabeth Hamblion
I enjoyed the programme but let's be honest I'd watch Nigel Havers knitting socks! It seemed to me that the Havers name disappeared somewhere from the family tree which Uncle Tony had - or did I just miss it? I wondered if this was going to be investigated but it wasn't.
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I thought it interesting that when he found John Couch's grave, he just said "Oh David's will be near by" and promptly found it. He didn't seem to be thrilled that John Couch was his 3 x g.grandfather, as if all he was interested in was David, his 2 x g.grandfather - could just have been the way the film was edited.
Yes - I liked all those researchers and also the fact that they managed to find so much evidence in newspapers.
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Another good episode I thought!
Enhanced by spotting my 3rd Great Grandfather's name in the Colchester Thieves! ;D ;D
(I rewound it to double-check!)
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I think it was a female Havers who married a Buckingham, son of George and Elizabeth HamblionI enjoyed the programme but let's be honest I'd watch Nigel Havers knitting socks! It seemed to me that the Havers name disappeared somewhere from the family tree which Uncle Tony had - or did I just miss it? I wondered if this was going to be investigated but it wasn't.
It was Agnes Sophia Buckingham who married Daniel Havers.
Yes, it was enjoyable and I liked the various methods of gathering information to flesh out the names.
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Another good episode I thought!
Enhanced by spotting my 3rd Great Grandfather's name in the Colchester Thieves! ;D ;D
(I rewound it to double-check!)
What a fantastic bonus - did you know he would be there?
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I think it was a female Havers who married a Buckingham, son of George and Elizabeth HamblionI enjoyed the programme but let's be honest I'd watch Nigel Havers knitting socks! It seemed to me that the Havers name disappeared somewhere from the family tree which Uncle Tony had - or did I just miss it? I wondered if this was going to be investigated but it wasn't.
It was Agnes Sophia Buckingham who married Daniel Havers.
Yes, it was enjoyable and I liked the various methods of gathering information to flesh out the names.
Yes, my brain wasn't really in gear was it. It would have to have been a male for the name to have carried forward. Perhaps time for bed for me :)
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Another good episode I thought!
Enhanced by spotting my 3rd Great Grandfather's name in the Colchester Thieves! ;D ;D
(I rewound it to double-check!)
What a fantastic bonus - did you know he would be there?
I had never heard of The Thieves before!
However I did know he was an upstanding and well-respected citizen of Colchester!
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I liked it and laughed out loud. He had such a sense of fun. Anna
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"Havers!"......quite enjoyed it though.
Skoosh.
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I thought it was a good episode as well. Loved the mental picture of that Elizabeth who came down in her lift looking like queen Victoria to inspect the gathered family and the Geoffrey who hadn't come getting into bother. Lovely family anecdotes.
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It was great and so was Nigel. I think he could still be called posh though!
As always, more questions come up than are answered, eg what happened to the maid whose child was born and then died? And did the builder John Hum make a go of it?
Questions, questions. They can't all be answered in a programme an hour long and they are the sort of questions that come up in any family tree research. Perhaps someone might have the facilities to research...
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Not sure about John Hum - there is a death in Colchester in 1856 :-\
That would be John Hum senior.
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That could be him then. They didn't live long lives generally did they :(
We didn't get to hear what David Couch died of either.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Usual frustrations when I am saying "look at the census!!" , and when the grave is 'just there' etc .... But have leaent to ive with them.
Seemed to roll out a specialist historian for everything didnt they!
Loved the shots of castle park around Colchester castle, and of Colchester generally, as I know the town a bit.
Do you know, KGarrad, I spotted the Garrod on the 'thieves' list too!! I was looking for any names than rang a bell, as I have Essex ancestors (somewhere way back I think one of my Kemps married a Garrard)
And I also found the bit about running over the oyster-seller interesting - as I have ancestors who were oyster fishermen in Essex.
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Ann Bryant( b 1834/5 in Pelynt) is a servant in 1861 in St Veep Cornwall and then goes on to marry in 1865 a Thomas Salt , 1871 sees her in Lerrin ? with Thomas and 2 children 1881 sees her still married with a further 3 children , Ann dies in 1902 and Thomas in 1929 They lived in various places , but always in the Liskeard RD
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I think my favourite bit, not having ancestors from anywhere in common, was finding the mill, looking just like the old photograph and with all the mill workings still in it.
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Jan, that is interesting. Not a bad life then we hope!
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Do you know, KGarrad, I spotted the Garrod on the 'thieves' list too!! I was looking for any names than rang a bell, as I have Essex ancestors (somewhere way back I think one of my Kemps married a Garrard)
Abraham Garrad was a Veterinary Surgeon in Colchester; his sons were also Vet's.
The family was originally from the Suffolk/Essex borders.
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Jan, that is interesting. Not a bad life then we hope!
I don't think so , her husband Thomas, in 1901 was a Grain and Corn Merchant ,(employer) Previous 2 census he was a Storekeeper under a Corn Merchant and 1871 down as an Ag Lab , Probate in 1933( though he died in 1929) shows him leaving £450 to Joshua Salt ( his son )
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Hi All,
I was disappointed that they never expanded on the Havers line very much. I thought maybe they done that because it was boring or something like that.
Cecil Robert Havers (Nigel’s Grandfather) in 1911 census, was still a student of law presumably, aged 21. His father was Daniel a solicitor, b 1860 approx. and wife Agnes Sophia b 1863. They had 5 live births and no infant deaths.
In 1861 census, a 7month old Daniel is staying with parents, Charles, a 37 yo Ironmonger with his wife, Eliza 35yo and 4 children under 7 with 2 servants.
In the 1851 Census, Charles 28, is Head of the household with 3 sisters and 1 brother, but no parents. I think this may have been worth a mention. I have not come across this often, 5 siblings without parents. That would have been interesting to clear that up.
Tom
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Ann Bryant( b 1834/5 in Pelynt) is a servant in 1861 in St Veep Cornwall and then goes on to marry in 1865 a Thomas Salt , 1871 sees her in Lerrin ? with Thomas and 2 children 1881 sees her still married with a further 3 children , Ann dies in 1902 and Thomas in 1929 They lived in various places , but always in the Liskeard RD
Thanks for that, Jan, I also wondered what had happened to her.
And whilst the baby had Couch as a middle name, I thought it was stretching it a bit to have Nigel say that proved David Couch had acknowledged her and taken part in her care over and above the affiliation order. Because of course lots of illegitimate children had their father's name within their own names, but that didn't mean anything except that the mother wanted to document the father.
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The Hamblion name rang a bell - when I checked it is the name of my late friend's granddaughter. I traced it back last night and discovered she is descended from one of Elizabeth Hamblion's brothers, so a very distant relative of Nigel Havers.
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An enjoyable episode and I thought Nigel Havers came over as genuinely interested in his ancestors' stories. Loved that he was looking for 'not posh' ancestors, but ended up finding a 'cad'!
I agree that he was a bit romantic about David caring about little Eleanor - I don't know too much about affiliation orders etc, but if Ann had to go to the Petty Sessions, he presumably wasn't too caring!
The one thing that slightly irritated me was when he kept asking 'what's happened to Elizabeth junior'. Uncle Tony's family tree had already established her marriage in (I think) 1862. A fascinating story about the rise and fall of the Hamblions though!
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Not sure about John Hum - there is a death in Colchester in 1856 :-\
The above death must be John Hum's father. John and Rosina can be followed throught he census upto 1901, albeit with a slight change of name - to Hume
By 1911, John HUme is a widower, giving his occupation as a retired architect, and living with his married daughter (Frances Buchanan) and her family in Chiswick
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That is an unexpected outcome.
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David and Maria Couch's daughter Georgina Mary remember her deceased sister Georgina May by giving that name to her own daughter
Births Sep 1896
Jefferies Georgina May Croydon 2a 209
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I enjoyed this one. Nigel Havers is always easy to watch! He was very interested and grasped things quickly.
This is a good thread for my first visit back to Rootschat for some time.
Kooky
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Good evening,
OH and I enjoyed it also, we do however get a little fed up with the following up of 1 or 2 people and ignoring the "tree". The early series spent more time on researching the family tree as far back as possible. Less time on individuals as they do now, I remember one that went back (theoretically) to GOD as the tree went back to the ancient line of royalty.
I'm also wondering if the present day haulage firm of HAMBLION has a family connection somewhere.
John915
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OH and I enjoyed it also, we do however get a little fed up with the following up of 1 or 2 people and ignoring the "tree". The early series spent more time on researching the family tree as far back as possible. Less time on individuals as they do now, I remember one that went back (theoretically) to GOD as the tree went back to the ancient line of royalty.
That was Matthew Pinsent :)
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It was a good and interesting programme
I fell asleep so caught up with the missing sections through iPlayer
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It just shows how difficult it must be to plan these programmes.
I have enjoyed the concentration on a couple of people rather than a whistle stop tour through a tree.
Presumably the individuals are chosen because there is other documentation about them rather than just census information and this gives a more rounded view. I wish I could find out more about some of mine rather than just name,occupation and family.
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I found it really interesting, particularly as I know Colchester fairly well. I enjoyed looking up the censuses whilst the programme was on, keeping on step ahead, so to speak.
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I thought that was a very interesting episode. Nigel Havers came over as a lovely person and the program seemed well compiled.
How I wish I could have answers and information on some of my ancestors in the same way though. It all seems so effortless. However, the effort is what makes it worthwhile really.
Look forward to the future episodes as there seems to be an excellent line up. :)
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Good evening,
The only thing that annoyed me was all that hair. I was born the year before him and all I've got is a fringe running from one ear to the other around the back ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
John915
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Sorry to hear that John, I am a child of 1951 and got nearly all my hair and the original colour too.
My beard alas is no longer ginger
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Sorry John and Stonechat, I'm a child of 1941 and still have all my hair and almost as thick as it always was. I'm always being told that a women of my age shouldn't have such good hair. ::)
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sorry for the delay, just catching up on this one on sky+. Very good so far, Nigel seems a very nice chap, but his 94 year old uncle was brilliant - sharp as a tack, with all his marbles and a few more besides.