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Title: Research help needed
Post by: raewyngillian on Monday 29 July 13 11:04 BST (UK)
Hi all,

I recently found out that my gt grandparents, apart from having quite a few children, had a set of twins......Edward and Ernest Paxton born 1908.

The help I require is this ..... Can anyone find out ANY information about the twins....did they die, get married......go overseas??

I can't find anything apart from their birth on the NZ BDM site.

Parents were John and Diana Paxton sometimes Burrell Paxton.

Many thanks

Gillie in Oz
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: jorose on Monday 29 July 13 18:02 BST (UK)
Hi there,

You could start by looking for records of what happened to John and Diana (e.g. death notices, wills) that might mention children.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz if you search for Diana Paxton, in 1917 says that she applied for separation from husband, John Beresford Burrell Paxton.  The guardianship of two children was awarded to her (this is likely to indicate the number of minor children, not total number of children in the family).

I see that on bmd some of the kids are under the surname Burrell-Paxton.

Perhaps if things were tight financially the twins were adopted out?  Was there family (other Paxtons or anyone on Diana's side) about?  Or perhaps they did pass away and the spelling on the bmd index is at fault.
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 29 July 13 19:38 BST (UK)
Hello,

I have found the death of an Edward BURRELL in 1996. Date of birth, 11.5.1908.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 20:25 BST (UK)
The twin born Edward PAXTON, appears to have had the birthdate of 21 January 1908.
[D.o.B. deduced from NZ BDM index (online) birth listing ]


Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Janette on Monday 29 July 13 20:52 BST (UK)
There is an insolvency file at Auckland archives for

Auckland insolvency files 
BAEA 21460 A709/191/b  1924/152  Paxton, J B Burrell  1924 Akld

http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=12170437

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 20:55 BST (UK)
PapersPast also has info regarding this bankruptcy.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 21:08 BST (UK)
Hello,

I have found the death of an Edward BURRELL in 1996. Date of birth, 11.5.1908.

Minniehaha.

From the Undertaker Records"

Name: BURRELL Edward
Date: 23 Feb 1996
Undertaker : J Weir & Co Ltd
Place of residence : 67 Walker Rd Pt Chevalier
Cemetery : Mangere Cemetery

Unfortunately, this Cemetery isn't on line.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Janette on Monday 29 July 13 21:11 BST (UK)
Hi KHP,

Do you know where Diana and John are buried?
1942/30353 Paxton  Diana Ellen  77Y
1944/18081 Paxton  John Beresford Burrell  85Y

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 21:18 BST (UK)
Hi KHP,

Do you know where Diana and John are buried?
1942/30353 Paxton  Diana Ellen  77Y
1944/18081 Paxton  John Beresford Burrell  85Y

Cheers Janette

Yes, I sure do ;D

They are both at Hamilton East:


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vim/

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Janette on Monday 29 July 13 21:27 BST (UK)
Maybe they didn't divorce as they are both in the same plot ???

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 21:29 BST (UK)
Maybe they didn't divorce as they are both in the same plot ???

Cheers Janette

Yes, I noticed that, was just looking at my Cemetery inscriptions for the headstones.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: mare on Monday 29 July 13 21:33 BST (UK)
 :-\ I don't think it's too unusual to be buried with former husband ... at that time anyway. No divorce involved but my paternal gran is buried with her first husband, her second husband is buried with his first wife .... only several rows away from each other in same cemetery  :) mare
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 21:34 BST (UK)
Only a guess, but it seems possible that these twins may have died shortly after birth ?
[A clue to that may be that each was given only one christian name ... in a family where there was a trend for siblings to have up to three names ?   I'm speculating, of course.   ;D]

But as we've often found with these early NZ records, babes who died in early infancy (mostly within days of birth), sometimes only had either their births / or their deaths registered (i.e. not always both events were registered.). 

My searching (including cemeteries) hasn't so far turned up anything in NZ for Edward or Ernest PAXTON (or BURRELL - or a combination of those surnames.)

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Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Janette on Monday 29 July 13 21:34 BST (UK)
KHP,
does the ER's put any light on it?

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 21:44 BST (UK)
Electoral

From 1905-06 to 1911, John and Diana PAXTON were residing in the Wellington area.

1905-06 - living at Hutt Road (Lower Hutt)

1911 - Diana Ellen PAXTON is on 2 rolls --  at Main Road, Johnsonville, Wellington
  ... and then also listed with John at - c/- Post Office, Taihape.

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Their child reg. as Beatrice Christine BURRELL-PAXTON in 1906, died aged 18 months in 1907.

You may like to try an email to the Hutt City Council regarding a burial for this child.  (Many of the burials for Old Taita Cemetery are not available online.)

http://cemetery.huttcity.govt.nz/

Use the "contact link" provided for cemetery information.

   ~  Lu 
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 21:47 BST (UK)
Possibly the twins Edward and Ernest were born in the Wellington area ?

Perhaps also ask Hutt City Council if they have other burial records for PAXTON / BURRELL.

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 21:55 BST (UK)
KHP,
does the ER's put any light on it?

Cheers Janette

John Beresford (Berreford) Burrell Paxton and
John Burrell (Burrel) Beresford Paxton.

Looking at the school records for this family.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 22:17 BST (UK)
Electoral

From 1905-06 to 1911, John and Diana PAXTON were residing in the Wellington area.

1905-06 - living at Hutt Road (Lower Hutt)

1911 - Diana Ellen PAXTON is on 2 rolls --  at Main Road, Johnsonville, Wellington
  ... and then also listed with John at - c/- Post Office, Taihape.

   ~  Lu 

School Records indicate that children moved from Johnsonville to Taihape.

Also looks like NZSG are holding certificates for this family. :)

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 22:27 BST (UK)
Hi KHP

... do school records give "last date" at Johnsonville for the children ?

 ~  Cheers, Lu
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 22:44 BST (UK)
Hi KHP

... do school records give "last date" at Johnsonville for the children ?

 ~  Cheers, Lu

3 March 1911.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 22:51 BST (UK)
Thanks, KHP.   :)

Seems then that family were in Wellington/Hutt area from 1905-06 till March 1911 - so burial place for small daughter Beatrice (1907) is quite probably Lower Hutt (Taita).

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 July 13 22:56 BST (UK)
Hi Gilllie

I expect you may already have this, another son Reginald William PAXTON was born in Australia (according to his WW1 Army record).

NZ Death


1981 - PAXTON - Reginald William Beresford - d.o.b. 13 October 1895


Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 July 13 23:11 BST (UK)
Just a little snippet about Reginald.

Europeans in NZ - Book Index

Name : PAXTON Reginald William
Book : Ohaupo - Winds of Change
Page : 162
Comments : Honoured by the Queen

His last day at school 16 Dec 1909 for work.  He is in school by 15 March 1904 Te Aro but his last school was Levin.

also this comment from NZSG on the index:

Name : PAXTON Reginald William Beresf (that is how the name is shown)
Date : 1925
Spouse : BLACKMAN
Comments : B = Burrell

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: raewyngillian on Tuesday 30 July 13 00:04 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for all your help.  It is really appreciated.

I know about the burial in Hamilton and that they separated/divorced, and about their first child being born in Oz (in Picton, NSW)
John Beresford Burrell Paxton's real name was John James Paxton born 1857 in London.  He was the blacksheep of the family and was a Remittance Man (paid to stay away from England) but I dont know why.  He is a very illusive fellow as I cant find him after 1871 where he was at boarding school.  After that I cant find him until 1893 in an electoral roll in NZ.

Diana Ellen Paxton nee Wilson was also born in England but lived in NZ with the rest of her family when she married John in 1895….down near Wellington.

Im just on my way out but I dont think I have Beatrice in the family tree and will check it out later today.

Thanks in the meantime

Gillie

Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 30 July 13 00:34 BST (UK)

He is a very illusive fellow as I cant find him after 1871 where he was at boarding school.  After that I cant find him until 1893 in an electoral roll in NZ.


But you do have him in NZ newspaper articles - (as John James) - September 1878 - Police Court at Auckland, do you ??

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

  ~  Lu
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: bigcous on Tuesday 03 September 13 11:55 BST (UK)
raewyngillian , do you have a headstone pic from Hamilton East Paxtons, I live in Hamilton and can see if I can find it for you, bigcous
Title: Re: Research help needed
Post by: raewyngillian on Tuesday 03 September 13 12:14 BST (UK)
Yes, I do, thank you.