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Hi,
I am wondering if someone is willing to look up the following for me. There's a bunch of CRAWFORTH children (sometimes spelled CRAWFORD) that lived, and married, around the Humbleton, Preston, etc., area. None appear to be Baptised in Humbleton from this generation although some of their children area so I've checked the extant records there. One of the Crawforth children reported a Preston birth location on the 1851 census so this will be my next step. Their potential parents lived in the Flinton hamlet of Humbleton parish.
The children are listed below. They may not all have the same parents as there were a few possible fathers in the area, but it will help me to organize them correctly.
Hannah CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1805.
Rebecca CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1808.
Robert CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1812
Elizabeth CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1814 -- reported the Preston birth location on later census records.
Other than Elizabeth I cannot find any of the others on the censuses despite having marriages for Hannah and Rebecca.
Thank you very much in advance for any time someone is willing to spend to aid me in this one. :)
Mike
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Hi Mike,
I'll let you see what you think to this for Rebecca :
Rebecca CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1808.
Other than Elizabeth I cannot find any of the others on the censuses despite having marriages for Hannah and Rebecca.
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1851 census :
HO107/2360, Folio 241, Page 26
Yorkshire, Kingston Upon Hull
Sutton, Hyperion Street
Rebecca Wright, head, widow, 42, School Mistress, b.Elstringwick, Yorks
Syras, son, unm, 10, Scholar, b. Witheringwick, Yorks
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Elstronwick is also in the parish of Humbleton :
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Humbleton/index.html
Kind regards,
Pels.
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I'd better post this, in case I never find it again :
Birth, Dec qtr 1840
Cyrus Wright
Skirlaugh, Vol 22, page 576
Pels.
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Birth, Dec qtr 1840
Cyrus Wright
Skirlaugh, Vol 22, page 576
Forget that !! How disappointing, but just as well I checked - it can't be the right census !
:( :(
Christening: 23rd December 1840
Cyrus Wright
Mother: Rebecca Wright
Withernwick, Yorkshire
Added : I wonder if there's the slightest possibility that Rebecca's husband died long before Cyrus was conceived - therefore explaining the above baptism ? Most likely not and just wishful thinking on my part.
Pels.
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Robert CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1812
Other than Elizabeth I cannot find any of the others on the censuses despite having marriages for Hannah and Rebecca.
I daren't ask, does this mean you haven't got anything for Robert either ?
Marriage : 30th December 1848
Robert Crawforth, age 36
Father's Name: Joshua Crawforth
Spouse's Name: Ellen Mason, age 40
Spouse's Father's Name: John Kirkhouse
Elstronwick, Yorkshire
Pels.
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Robert CRAWFORTH, b. circa 1812
Other than Elizabeth I cannot find any of the others on the censuses despite having marriages for Hannah and Rebecca.
Robert (born Flinton) and Ellen appear on all the census returns up to 1881, as a couple :
1851 census :
HO107/2365, Folio 36, Page 10
1861 census :
RG9/3601, Folio 19, Page 4
1871 census :
RG10/4800, Folio 21, Page 7
1881 census :
RG11/4787, Folio 19, Page 8
Robert a widower in 1891 :
1891 census :
RG12/3948, Folio 17, Page 8
Until finally Robert's death :
Death, Sep qtr 1892
Robert Crawforth, age 80
Skirlaugh, Vol 9d, Page 191
Pels.
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Hi Pels,
Thanks for your help -- I didn't notice the Rebecca Wright, somehow, probably because my searching wasn't as diligent as it should have been given she listed a hamlet in the parish as her birthplace. Foolish me.
Its possible Cyrus was born after Rebecca's husband passed away, and was baptized with his mother only. I will look into it further. :)
Sorry I should have mentioned that I knew where Robert was all those years.
Hannah is the daughter I descend from. Her two sons went to Canada and I have them from there. I have found no evidence for Hannah and her husband William BOYS/BOYCE having gone to Canada, but I also can't find them staying in England either.
Edited:
Rebecca CRAWFORTH had married Robert WRIGHT in Humbleton. In the 1851 census you found, Pels, Rebecca and her son Cyrus live right beside a William Wright, his wife Elizabeth, and several children. William and Elizabeth are of age to have been Robert Wright's parents. I'll have to look into that as well since if they did have a son Robert at the right age it'd be pretty good indirect evidence to this being the correct woman.
Given that they did not live in the same household I'd say its less likely that Rebecca was William and Elizabeth's daughter with an illegitimate son.
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I had an idea you must have seen Robert's details, that was why I didn't post
anything other than the bare minimum.
Did you notice their ages on Hannah's marriage - assuming this is the right one :
Marriage : 26th October 1824
Hannah Crawforth, age 19
William Boys, age 43
Elstronwick, Yorkshire
Quite a big difference ?
Will keep looking - as I'm sure others will, too ! :)
Pels.
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I'd be interested to know how old this William Boys was when he died :
Burial : 27th September 1829
William Boys
Humbleton, Yorkshire
If their last known child, Joshua Crawforth Boys was baptised on 24th July 1829, I
wonder if this is their father ?
Pels.
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I'd be interested to know how old this William Boys was when he died :
Burial : 27th September 1829
William Boys
Humbleton, Yorkshire
If their last known child, Joshua Crawforth Boys was baptised on 24th July 1829, I wonder if this is their father ?
Pels.
I've predicted Hannah's father was Joshua Crawforth -- there was one born c1768 living in Flinton when he died in 1820.
That would very likely be my William Boys who died -- why on earth could I not find that death record since its plainly right there. Sigh. Thank you so much!
William Boys and Hannah Crawforth had:
Thomas Boyce (born 1825)
Ann Boyce (born 1827)
Joshua Crawforth Boyce (1829)
Thomas and Joshua emigrated to Canada prior to 1855, and likely not too much sooner, given they both married earlier in 1855 to a group of families that intermarried plenty. Peel Co., Ontario, Canada was mostly Methodist at the time so perhaps that's why we can't find Baptisms. :(
Edit: Yup! I'd seen the William Boys - Hannah Crawforth marriage. I had someone check the original record too. It listed him as a bachelor, her as a spinster, and with consent of parents. Nothing more. I just have to wonder if William really was a bachelor, or this was a second marriage for him. Unfortunately other than "circa 1781" as a theoretical birthdate I know nothing more about him.
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I'll add:
The Joshua Crawforth (c. 1768 - 1820) married in 1808 to Mary Godolphin (1774 - 1841) in Humbleton. They are definitely the parents of Robert and Elizabeth (above), but I'm still not sure if Joshua is the father of Hannah and Rebecca given they were born prior to his marriage to Mary.
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William Boys and Hannah Crawforth had:
Thomas Boyce (born 1825)
Ann Boyce (born 1827)
Joshua Crawforth Boyce (1829)
Thomas and Joshua emigrated to Canada prior to 1855, and likely not too much sooner, given they both married earlier in 1855 to a group of families that intermarried plenty.
Nothing concrete, but one worth hanging onto until you can prove different :
Marriage, Mar qtr 1847
Ann Boyes
Bradley Burn
Skirlaugh, Vol 22, page 461
Death, Mar qtr 1851
Bradley Burn
Skirlaugh, Vol 22, page 507
It does explain why I can't find Bradley Burn in 1851, but doesn't help to find Ann to see
if there's even a remote connection with 'your' Ann Boys.
To save you time if you haven't already noticed this, there's an 1838 baptism for a
Wilfred Burn in Bridlington with parents Bradley and Mary Burn. Wilfred is in Hornsea with
his mother and siblings in 1841, his father isn't with them. But, there is a Bradley Burn of
a similar age to Mary staying in Bridlington in 1841 :
HO107/1213/6, Folio 31, Page 9
That might account for both Bradley and Mary Burn in 1841.
Which leads to a possible death for Mary, enabling Bradley to marry Ann Boys.
Death, Mar qtr 1842
Mary Burn
Skirlaugh, Vol 22, page 431
Haven't a clue whether any of this is even related, but thought it worth a mention.
Pels.
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After all that I've found the Ann Boyes who Bradley Burn married. The census claims
she was born in Pocklington, how disappointing but I'll post the details anyway :
1851 census :
HO107/2365, Folio 254, Page 20
Yorkshire, Hornsea
Southgate
Ann Burn, h. widow, 30, Proprietor of Houses, b. Pocklington
Thomas, son, 14, b. Barlington
Wilfred, son, 12, b. Barlington
Elizabeth Dresser, sister, mar, 32, Dock Porter's Wife, b. Pocklington
Edward Dresser, nephew, 4 mths, b. Hull
John Boyes, nephew, 6, b. Pocklington
Completely different family, but at least you know not to make the same mistake, unless
of course you already have at some point.
Pels.
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Hi Pels,
Thanks for your continued efforts on this! I really appreciate it. :)
It would make sense if the 1829 burial of William Boys was the one who married Hannah Crawforth. That leads to the possibility that Hannah remarried or passed away herself -- reasons why I might not be able to pinpoint her in Canada or later England census records.
Even if Hannah was in Canada with her adult sons (and perhaps daughter as well) she might very well have a new married name. Early records in Canada aren't nearly as helpful as the earlier English records so its tough going on this side of the pond.
Time to start looking if Hannah Boys/Boyce/Boyes married after 1829 methinks. :D