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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: wildreddeer on Monday 22 July 13 18:41 BST (UK)
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Every one in this particular interest will know that Frances Letitia Mayes and Frances Letitia Weldale are mother and daughter. But can any one tell me where I can find documented proof for this. If it is right, then Frances Letitia Mayes is my 6th Great Grandmother, that will mean I have documented proof all the way back to year ####.
Any help on this would be gratefully received.
Phil
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Hello Phil and welcome :)
When you are posting, it helps if you give a time and place reference.
I found this - does it help? Is it the right era and place?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N2LD-3X6
regards
heywood
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Hi heywood,
many thanks for that but I already have that. What I am after is documented proof were Frances Letitia Mayes is said to be Frances Letitia Weldale's Mother, or even she is John Weldales daughter.
We are looking around about 1766.
Phil
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That's what I mean about posting information :)
You have the documented proof there of the marriage of FLM to JW.
if you have that, have you searched for any children baptised at St Paul's?
There are some possibilities including
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5B8-H2Q
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I have even emailed St. Pauls, but they no longer have information dated back so far. They said:- (I'm afraid we don't keep the records as far back as that in the Church. The local registry office would be the place to ask.) Which I find strange, but its worth a look into at some stage.
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Probably worth an email to Bedfordshire & Luton Archives - email can easily be found with a Google search - local archives usually have records from churches. As you have the exact place and date it should cost very little for them to send a copy of the church record.
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Do you not think that the baptism is her? There are likely siblings also.
You could search the films at a local family search library and print the records off. That may be the best you could hope for.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat :D
There are children of John and Frances Letitia Weldale/Waldall/Waldon/Weldon at Bedford St Pauls from 1758 to 1774 including the one for Frances Letitia 1768 that Heywood has already given you a link to. What is about this entry that you are doubting? or is it just that you quite rightly wish to see the original entry? If so Bedford and Luton Archives are extremely helpful worth emailing as suggested
http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/ContactArchivesService.aspx
Jan ;)
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Well done, Heywood. That is clearly Frances Letitia Willdale.
John Willdale and wife Frances Letitia Mayes are the only couple with these names baptising children in that parish at the time (and wife's is quite specific).
With a surname like Willdale you are always going to find strange spellings. 6 children appear to have been baptised at St. Pauls, Bedford to John and Frances Letitia:
Francis (spelt male way) bp.3/5/1758
Ann bp.17/9/1766
Frances Letitia bp.27/4/1768
James bp.23/9/1769
William bp.23/7/1771
Rebecca bp.Feb.1773, bur.18/5/1774
The surname varies in spelling - Weldale, Waldall, Waldon and Weldon.
Annette
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Thanks Annette and Jan
Phil seems to have that information and we have given suggestions re obtaining records so we will have to wait and see what happens. ;)
My own surname gives rise to various spellings now so I can understand the difficulties. :D
heywood
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I would like to thank you all for the help you are giving me, please don't think I am not grateful because I am. It might just be me, I don't know. But there is nowhere I have seen that says FLM is FLW mother ot JW daughter. I know there are miss spellings every where, even here. But who's to say that that miss spelling is FLM or FLW. I have been researching this line for a number of years now. In fact I have 5 five trees on the go. The funny thing, believe it or not is that all trees have hit a wall of some sort in the late 1700's. coincidence or not. This tree in particularly, is to see how far I can trace my family history back. I have lost count on how many surnames it goes through amongst other things. But what I can say, once I have documented proof I can get back to 1670BC. That's not bad for & years work. Before anyone asks. Nothing is published on any of my trees till it has been thoroughly checked and documented proof is in place. what I have managed to get today is the date of FLW wedding. Thank you. Now, her birth/baptism, if I can find it should give the name of one of her parents at least.
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Back again to this one https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5B8-H2Q
What is it that makes you wonder about this one?
I can see that you want proof but the names all fit and you can find the others that Annette has posted.
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As mentioned before the original entry for Frances' baptism would be worth checking as there maybe more information and/or the entry may have been mistranscribed. However if you were hoping the entry may include mother's maiden-name you are very unlikely to find it on an English record. I have never seen this information included in Bedfordshire (or any other county I've researched), although I believe there were some areas that did this.
Jan ;)
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???
You all know it's right!
I know it's right!
It's all in a surname!
So why am I not convinced?
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Annette,
Where did your info come from?
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It's all from Family Search - searching by place/time/ parents names etc
Waldon variation (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Awaldon~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ABedford%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1757-1780~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AJohn%20%2Bmother_givenname%3A%22Frances%20Letitia%22~)
Weldale variation (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Awaldale~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ABedford%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1757-1780~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AJohn%20%2Bmother_givenname%3A%22Frances%20Letitia%22~)
There may be more variations and more children perhaps
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I'm still here and checking
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Looks like possibly another baptism:
Again name is shown as Weldon:
William bp.20/9/1759, son of John and Frances (no Letitia) bur.18/3/1761.
As has been mentioned, it is highly unlikely to find mother's maiden given on baptisms, especially at this time. If it was on the original it would have been transcribed thus on familysearch.
You don't know how lucky you are with their daughter having the same 2 christian names as her mother. Most of us get lumbered with something like Mary, dau. of John and Mary.
Annette
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Thank you Annette, I have this one, and yes it does look like a possible. Now the :-[ thing about it all is that I have copies of most of the people you have all been talking about. But I have never put them all down together to look at. I have always seen them as individuals and siblings have never been a strong point for me, I have tended to go straight down the line. You live and learn by your mistakes. You can actually see it when they are laid side by side. My filling will have to take new approach.
Thank you all.
Rootschat.com is one to be recommended.
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When checking original entries I find it helpful to look at siblings as well as there may be occupation for father or abode details to be found - gives a clearer picture of the family if there and/or may help to confirm you have the right family if there is more than one with same name. If you've not already looked at them Wills can be useful too. It would also be worth searching the Bedford and Luton Archives catalogue
http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/SearchOurCatalogues.aspx
Jan ;)
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Thank you for that link Jan. i shall be looking into that shortly.
Phil
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Thank you for that link Jan. i shall be looking into that shortly.
Phil
With all the variations it could take a while ;D
Good luck
Jan ;)