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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Andyo on Monday 22 July 13 13:53 BST (UK)
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From an earlier topic I have now confirmed by the receipt of her marriage certificate that Eleanor Atkinson was indeed the first wife of my gg grandfather Nathan Hodson.However the next question posed is,what happened to Eleanor (b1840/1 Liverpool),her son Thomas (b1862 Southport) and her daughter Mary Ann (b1864 Southport)?...they all seem to disappear after 1864.
Can anyone help?
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St Paul Southport
14th Feb 1887
Robert Hoson,aged 27,bachelor brick layer of 111 Shakespeare St
Elizabeth Alice Dutton,spinster aged 22,of the same abode
grooms father Nathan Hodson,bricklayer
brides father,John Dutton,carter,
witness to marriage,Thomas Hodson and Catherine Fox
A later marriage in 1898 for a Nathan Hodson son of Nathan a bricklayer has a witness as William Fredrick Hodson
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what happened to Eleanor (b1840/1 Liverpool),
her son Thomas (b1862 Southport) and her daughter Mary Ann (b1864 Southport)?...they all seem to disappear after 1864.
Was Nathan's father Miles? Here's a Thomas with his grandparents on 1871 census
1871 RG10; Piece: 3875; Folio: 58; Page: 10
5 Hodson St North Meols Southport Lancashire
Miles HODSON 59 occ Gardener
Margaret 59
Elizabeth 28
Ellen 26
Margaret A J 13
Frederick R 19
Miles 15
THOMAS grandson age 8 (1863) Southport
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Cheers Radcliffe and Ladyhawk..I already had the marriage and the census...never thought that Thomas would be with grandparents.Elizabeth Alice Dutton was Nathan's second wife Dorothy Dutton's sister,thus (Miles) Robert Hodson married his step aunt!
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I was just about to post these but I assume you already have them
1860 HODSON Miles Robert North Meols North Sefton mmn ATKINSON
Miles Robert Hodson
Baptism Date: 11 Mar 1860 Holy Trinity Southport
Father: Nathan Hodson occ Stoker
Mother: Eleanor Hodson abode Southport
1881 RG11; Piece: 3573; Folio: 46; Page: 5
Robert Miles Hodson 21 (1860) Boarder Southport Bricklayer
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Cheers,I have Miles Robert right through to his death in 1928 together with his descendants,It's Eleanor,Thomas and Mary Ann that I'm struggling with....they just seem to disappear...very confused!
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Do you think this might be Thomas? To confirm you would probably need to obtain his marriage certificate to see who his father is
1891 RG12; Piece: 3054; Folio: 21; Page: 35
2 Addison St Wigan
Thomas Hodson 28 Southport occ Railway Engine Fireman
Susannah 29
Samuel 6
Margaret 1
1901c RG13; Piece: 3556; Folio: 129; Page: 3.
18 Stephen Street Wigan
Additional child Annie age 6 Wigan
marriage 1884 Ormskirk Register Office or Registrar Attended
HODSON Thomas DAVIES Susannah
1884 HODSON Samuel Robert North Meols North Sefton mmn DAVIES
1890 HODSON Maggie Wigan Wigan & Leigh mmn DAVIES
1894 HODSON Annie Wigan Wigan & Leigh mmn DAVIES
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Just in case the above does relate to your Thomas Hodson his son Samuel Robert served in the War and died in Canada
Samuel Robert Hodson
Residence: 192 Browing Ave., Toronto, Canada
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1884 Birth Location: Lancashire, England
Next of Kin: Wife Margaret Annie Hodson
Address of next of kin 77 Corporatiopn St Poolstock Wigan
Regiment Number: 513356
Document Attestation Paper # 2. C.A.S.C. No. 2 Overseas A.S.C. Training Depot C.E.E.
Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force
signed & dated November 20th 1916
8 Jul 1908 St James, Wigan
Samuel Robert Hodson - 23, Grocer, Bachelor, 18 Lower St Stephen St
Margaret Annie Taylor - 24, Spinster, 77 Corporation St
Father: Thomas Hodson, Engine Driver
Father: Thomas Taylor, Cashier
Witness: James Entwistle; Mary Taylor
Samuel Robert Hodson age 43
Death Date: 11 Apr 1928
Death County or District: York Ontario
Birth Location: England
1928 death https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JKW2-PP5
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There’s this death entry but no age given
Southport & North Meols are in the registration district Ormskirk
Ellen HODSON Dec 1864 Ormskirk vol 8b page 612
Could she have died after the birth of dau. Mary Ann 1864
birth entry
Mary Ann HODSON Dec 1864 Ormskirk Vol 8b page 640
1861 RG 9; Piece: 2762; Folio: 18; Page: 36
Eleanor HODSON Head mar. Dressmaker age 20 Liverpool
Miles Robt. son age 1 Southport
living (No 45?)Tulketh Street in North Moels
Did you notice on that 1861 census there’s another HODSON family living at
No 43 Tulketh Street
John HUDSON 46 Gen Lab, Bella ? 39, James 13, John 8, Agnes 5 & Nathan 2
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That could be my Thomas,I suppose the marriage certificate would confirm it.
I'm not sure about the Ellen death,I've got a copy of Mary Ann's baptism at Christchurch on the 27th November 1854...
I also have (Miles) Robert as Robert at 36 Tulketh Street in 1871 as a grandson to I think Robert Sowerby (who's also on the 1861 census at no45)...no Eleanor though
I don't seem to have any connection with the other family in Tulketh Street...mind you I seem to find other Hodson branches quite at random..
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Sorry November 1864
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I also have (Miles) Robert as Robert at 36 Tulketh Street in 1871 as a grandson to I think Robert Sowerby (who's also on the 1861 census at no45)...no Eleanor though
I think you are correct
From the 1871 census Robert’s occupation is Joiner
this looks to be Robert Sowerby on 1861 census although is age is a little out he's
living 45 Tulketh Street North Moels Southport
Robert SOWERBY 37 Preston occ Joiner (House)
Mary Ann wife 45
James son 16
Elizabeth Trocroft niece 9
2 lodgers
Mary Ann’s surname could be ATKINSON
Sep 1851 Liverpool
Robert SOWERBY
Name on same page
Mary Ann ATKINSON
Lancashire BMD confirms
1851 St Peter Liverpool
Robert SOWERBY
Mary A ATKINSON
and family search has these marriage details
31 Aug 1851 St Peter https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN9D-XJC
Mary Ann ATKINSON widowed father James WOODHOUSE
Robert SOWERBY single father John
So I'm assuming that Mary Ann ATKINSON nee Woodhouse is the mother of your
Eleanor HODSON nee ATKINSON born 1840 Liverpool
Eleanor with her parents on 1841 c
HO107; Piece: 560; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool ED 12; Folio: 21; Page: 35
James ATKINSON 25 occ Tailor
Mary Ann 25
ELLENOR 1
possible marriage James to Mary Ann
1835 marriage James Atkinson ot Mary Ann Woodhouse
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJZX-Y2Y
16 Nov 1835 St Bride Fleet Street
James ATKINSON batchelor
May Ann WOODHOUSE spinster , both of this Parish
Married by Banns in the presence of James E Good & Nancy Lawrance ?
(source Anc*y)
3 Jan 1813 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Woodhouse Born: 26 Oct 1812
parents James Woodhouse occ Upholsterer & Nancy
Abode: Lancaster
(Lancashire OPC)
I'm not sure about the Ellen death
I've got a copy of Mary Ann's baptism at Christchurch on the 27th November 1864...
Eleanor & Nathan Hodson's sons Miles (Robert) b1860 & Thomas b1863 have been found with their respective grandparents on 1871 census
if that's not Ellen Hodson 's death Dec qtr. 1864 Ormskirk then where are
Eleanor Hodson b1841 Liverpool and her dau Mary Ann b1864 hiding in 1871 ???
Proving pretty elusive - are they using a different surname?
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Hmm...Robert Sowerby would be Mary Ann Atkinson's second husband then,Eleanor's father is given as James Atkinson(tailor) on the marriage certificate..Maybe that's where the Robert's from in Miles Robert...Miles is Nathan's fathers name...and also the confusion in Miles Robert being Miles,Miles Rbt and Robert on the censuses..
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I’m just not seeing Nathan b1840 Southport , Eleanor b1840 Liverpool or their dau Mary Ann Hodson b1864 Southport on the 1871 census – have they been missed ???
All that's coming up on Anc*y for Mary Ann HODSON is her 1864 baptism Christchurch Southport
parents Nathan & Eleanor ???
Nathan Hodson is noted as a widower on his 1879 marriage to Dorothy Dutton.
Nathan & Dorothy had another child born before William Frederick and born before their 1879 marriage - perhaps first wife Eleanor's death is sometime before 1876 after 1879 ???
N & D's son Nathan Hodson born 1876 Southport is with his grandmother Ann DUTTON in 1881
Just for info.
here’s Eleanor with he mother Mary on 1851 census Mary’s noted as Mar.
1851 HO107; Piece: 2191; Folio: 263; Page: 2
East Street
Mary Ann ATKINSON Head Mar. 38 Lancaster Charwoman
Elanor (Eleanor) dau 10 Liverpool
James son 8
Christiana Parkinson visitor wid. 30 Lancaster
2 other visitors
This seems to confirm Christiana to be Mary’s sister
1842 marriage Christiana Woodhouse f James https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN94-LXY
1852 marriage Christiana Parkinson f James Woodhouse https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN9D-LBJ
and here’s their father James WOODHOUSE on 1841/51c
1841 HO107; Piece: 553; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Lancaster E D 2; Folio: 6; Page: 5;
James Woodhouse 52 occ Upholsterer
Ann 50
Christina 23
Mary Ann 12
Ann Woodhouse age 58 Burial Date & Parish 23 Jul 1845 St Mary Lancaster
1851 HO107; Piece: 2272; Folio: 180; Page: 26
11 St George’s Quay Lancashire
James Woodhouse Head Wid. 65 Lancaster occ Upholsterer
Margaret Young dau Mar 36 Seaman’s wife
Thomas Dobson son in law 27 House Carpenter
Jane Dobson dau 27
William gd/son 3
Isabella A gd/dau 1
James Woodhouse age 70 abode Quay Burial Date & Parish 28 Oct 1855 St Mary Lancaster
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No luck I'm afraid with the 1871 census Nathan, Eleanor or Mary Ann Hodson ???
I don’t know if this is worth following up there's a death entry for a Mary Ann HODSON - see what you think
I can’t say whether she maybe the daughter of Nathan & Eleanor
OR perhaps the sister of Sarah Howard & Frederick HODSON (see Probate details below)
further investigation needed to confirm one way or the other
Mary A Hodson age 66 (1863) Date of Registration: Mar 1929
Registration District: Ormskirk Volume: 8b page 1462
Mary Ann Hodson spinster of 46 Belmont Street Southport died 18 January 1929
Admin Liverpool 7 March to Sarah Howard widow and Frederick Hodson Gardener
Effects £129 2s. 9d.
Sarah Hodson/Howard same address 1901/11
1901 RG13; Piece: 3538; Folio: 13; Page: 18
46 Belmont Street Southport
Sarah Hodson 39 (1862) Eccleshall Staffordshire occ Cook ,she’s noted as a visitor of the Howard household
William H HOWARD 38 Southport occ Joiner (Car.p) living with his mother & sister
Perhaps someone will be able to give you the marriage details so you can find out who Sarah's father is
marriage entry
1907 St. Paul's, Southport
HOWARD William H
HODSON Sarah
You probably have this already may just be a total coincidence but on the same page underneath Mary Ann’s name there's Miles Robert Hodson
Miles Robert Hodson of 66 Upper Aughton Rd Birkdale Southport died 10 August 1928 Admin London 24 Oct to Elizabeth Alice Hodson widow Effects £225.
I wish you good luck if you are still searching for the Hodson family on the 1871 census - if you do find them please post details :)
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Hi,
The age is right for the Mary Ann death...I don't have a Sarah Hodson in my tree however that's not to say this one isn't related.Mary Ann has a half brother,William Frederick,albeit at the time of this death is living in New York ,USA.
I have the probate for Miles Robert...Mary Ann's brother.
Still a blank on the 1871 census...I've been looking at emigration records in the hope that Nathan,Eleanor and Mary Ann were maybe out of the country,especially as Miles Robert and Thomas were living with their grandparents.
Cheers