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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Viking666 on Sunday 14 July 13 21:06 BST (UK)
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Hi again.
Jeanette Margaret Richards, Born Llanerchymedd, 1854. Married to
Henry Fletcher Tildesley, Born Willenhall, 1858.
They were married 1887 in Edge Hill, Liverpool and moved to Plas Mor, Rhosneigr C 1895. They had 4 children, all born in Liverpool.
Annie Elizabeth Tildesley, B 1888
George Henry Richards Tildesley, B 1890
Harold Vivian Tildesley, B 1891
Walter Allen Fletcher Tildesley, B 1893.
I see on the 1911 census that they had the 4 children but, at that date, only 3 were living.
I have details for George and Walter that show that they survived into adulthood but the only details I have for the other two are their dates of birth and baptism.
With limited resources I can't find out which of the children died.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Harold Vivian Tildesley died in Liverpool in 1892.
Regards
Roger
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Hi Roger,
Thanks for that. Do you know anything of Annie Elizabeth?
Peter
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It's not clear but there is an interesting record for Anita Elizabeth Tyldesley who marries George Henry Thomas in Anglesey in 1907.Looking in the 1901 census for this name gives a girl in St Winifredes Bangor who was born in Liverpool 1889.I can't quote the 1911 census but Anita Elizabeth Thomas has the same profile(can be found on FamilySearch)
Regards
Roger
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It looks as if "Annie" was short for Anita. The family were in Rhosneigr in 1901 and, being wealthy, would have had their daughter in a private school, relatively close-by. Looking at my details for the family, I guessed that something like the loss of their child in 1892 precipitated the move to Anglesey. Henry was the co-founder of Tildesley and Alefounder & Co. Engineers of Liverpool ... he sold his share of the business in 1895 and seems to have retired to Rhosneigr at the age of 37. The Tildesleys are named on the memorial column of Surgeon Owen Elias Owen, J.P, and his wife Annie, (sister of Jeanette) in Llangefni.
I'll see what I can find out about Anita Elizabeth Thomas.
Thanks for the info. Peter.
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I think George Henry Thomas is at census reference RG13 3464 7 6 in 1901(Bootle cum Linacre) with his family headed by William Thomas,shipowner,given born Llanalyddiad(sic),Anglesey 1838.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks for info.
George Henry Thomas was the son of William Thomas, (1837-1915), born in Llanrhyddlad. William left Anglesey at the age of 9 and went on to become a Shipowner, (40 ships), landowner, Mayor of Bootle, (twice), High Sheriff of Anglesey, J.P. His will shows that his estate was worth £230,000. He was buried at Llanrhyddlad. I'm hoping that his son George is as well documented.
(With all the money washing around in my family, I still can't understand why I'm so poor!)
Peter
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This is the only one on Free BMD . Don't know where she fits in.
Deaths Surname: tildesley Phonetic search: on
Start date: Mar 1888 End date: Dec 1911 County: Anglesey
Deaths Mar 1911
Tildesley Priscilla 82 Holyhead 11b 364
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Thanks for your input Wilcoxon.
Priscilla Tildesley was the mother of Henry Fletcher Tildesley. She was born in 1831 at Chesterfield and was a schoolteacher. She may have been living with a member of the family at Anglesey. ... she isn't on the 1911 census there but at the date of her death she was a widow. Two of her daughters were living at Llangefni and another son was at Llanbedrgoch so it looks as if the complete family were at Anglesey in 1911. I have a note that Henry Fletcher Tildesley was still at Rhosneigr in 1943 ... buying Ivy Cottage, Rhosneigr.
peter
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You were correct in the name, "Anita", Roger. I have now located her and her husband in the 1911 census.
They were staying at a hotel in South Kensington. Their places of birth and ages are an exact match.
George Henry Thomas is described as, "Ship owner"
Peter.
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Haven't really found anything further on Anita and her husband,other than that he was excluded as an executor and trustee to his father's will by a codicil,but I suspect you know that.
Regards
Roger
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Yes, I knew about the codicil. I always thought that an executor to a will couldn't inherit from that will. The remaining Trustees could vote to pass funds to George if they wished. I wonder what happened to make his father exclude him ... the involvement of a Turkish belly-dancer would spice up my family tree no end.
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I think it's witnesses to a will who can't inherit.
Regards
Roger
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Just had a look at my will. The notes say that an executor can't inherit, (You're right about the witnesses), they just administer the wishes of the will and distribute property etc. Generally, the seriously rich, rather than give all to their inheritors, thus incurring heavy taxes, set up a trust so that the money is given out bit by bit, without paying too much tax.
I notice that in the 1911 census for Jeanette and Henry, at Rhosneigr, are two shadowy figures named John Noel Scovell, aged 34 of Belgravia, London, and Hussein Sabry, aged 19,...a Turk!
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Some Tildesley/Tyldesley references in Anglesey BMD records -
Deaths:
Ada Mary Tildesley, age 84, on 5 Jan 1943 at Tanycoed, Llandegfan. Dau. of ironmaster George Frederick Tildesley. Informant G. Tildesley, nephew, of the same address.
Herbert Howard Tildesley, 73, 10 Jul 1925 at Red Wharf Bay, Llanbedrgoch. (Resident, of independent means, of Benllech). Informant R. Gordon Roberts, Deputy Coroner of Anglesey (perhaps drowning?).
Matthew Herbert Tildesley, 76, 31 Jul 1935 at Frondirion, Amlwch (no rank/profession given). Informant Hugh Tildesley, son, of 163 Stringes Lane, Willenhall, Staffs.
Priscilla Tildesley, 82, 22 Feb 1911 at Ivy Cottage, Llanfaelog. Widow of George Tildesley, of independent means. Informant George Richard Tildesley, grandson (address not transcribed).
Annie Owen, 64, 22 Jul 1907 at Llangefni. Widow of surgeon Owen Elias Owen. Informant Anita L. Tyldesley, niece, Llangefni.
There seems to be no record for the death of Henry Fletcher Tildesley on Anglesey.
Marriage:
On 9 Oct 1907 at Llangefni Church between George Henry Thomas, 36, bachelor, ship owner of Park Mount, Sefton Park, Liverpool, son of William Thomas, ship owner & broker and Anita Elizabeth Tyldesley, 19, spinster of Glanseber (?), Llangefni, dau of Henry Fletcher Tyldesley, civil engineer.
I can find no Tildesley/Tyldesley births, but can confirm that Janet Margaret Richards was born 16 Aug 1853 at Llechcynfarwy, dau of Robert Richards and Elizabeth Owens.
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Many thanks DragonT,
That's quite a lot of information; it confirms and corrects some of the details that I have on my tree and here are some of my observations.
Jeannet, (Various spellings), was Richards, was the daughter of Robert Richards, son of Rev. John Richards of Llanerchymedd. Robert was a Pharmacist with premises at High St, Llecynfarwy. The shop was next-door to the Bull Inn, owned by John Jones and his wife Harriet. Harriet was the daughter of Michael Richards of Parciau, son of the Rev. Richards.
Annie Owen, was Richards, was Jeannet's sister. She was married (1st) to Hugh Davies-Griffith, of Caerhun. Then married (2nd) Surgeon Owen Elias Owen, JP of Glan -Aber, Llangefni. He died 1893.
In the 1901 census, two of the Tildesley daughters lived at Glan-Aber, Ada, and Georgina. From what you report, Anita also lived at Glan-Aber, marrying from there just 3 months after Annie died. George's address is that of his father, the shipowner, William Thomas, originally of Llanrhyddlad.
Ivy Cottage, Rhosneigr, shown as Priscilla's home when she died in 1911, must have stayed in the family as the two sons of Henry Fletcher were registering it in 1943.
I wonder what happened to Henry Fletcher! I have no death-date for Jeannet either although I know that some of the Tildesleys are buried in the grave of Annie and Surgeon Owen at Llangefni.
Emyr Richards of Gwalchmai is in the process of cleaning and photographing the monument to the Owens in Llangefni and that may provide the missing death-dates.
Once again, thanks for the input.
Peter
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I missed something ...
My Notes.
"In 1939 there is an entry in the London Gazette between G.H.R. Tildesley, of Vernon House, Bloomsbury Square, WC1, and his brother, W.A.F.Tildesley, regarding the Land Registry of the property, Tan-y-coed, Llandegfan. Tan-y-coed is a large house built on the banks of the Menai Straits). "
Ada was there when she died, (1943) so too was George Henry Richards Tildesley, her nephew.
peter
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Henry Fletcher died 30/3/1920,Middlesex and Jeanette Margaret,13/1/1931 in Buckinghamshire
Regards
Roger
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Thanks Roger,
There we are; my entry for the Tildesley branch is more or less complete with those dates. My thanks for your work in solving some of the riddles.
regards from Sweden. Peter
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News flash. Anita and her husband changed their name from Thomas to Tregarnedd. She became a painter, poet and author. The name change was made in 1928 and I couldn't fathom out why the change. I was recently informed that both sons, whilst serving in the 1st WW were found guilty of homosexual offences. As both brothers were well know among the hoy-polloy of Bloomsbury, ( one was a lawyer in Windsor and the other owned a Blouse and Garment company) then Anita would distance herself from her brothers by changing her name. Just a guess though. The 1911 shows the boys at Rhosneigr with two other gents, one a Turk and aother, Noel Scovell, the son of Major General Edmund Scovell.