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Can anyone help me with William Briggs b 1808 in London, transported for 7 years to Australia. Married Ann Smith 21-8-1884 in Goulburn N.S.W. Not sure just who his his parents were. I'm sure Charles was his father but not sure if his mother is Elizabeth Bale or Betsy Upton. One of William's children was Charles Henry, 16/6/1858-13/6/1929. Any information would really help.
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Hello and welcome to RootsChat
Are you certain you have the correct dates for William Briggs
Born 1808?
Married 1884? (so he was in his 70's when he married??)
Child born 1858
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Suz
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I shouldn't be doing this so late at night!! William was married 21/8/1848. Son Charles was born 1858. Sadly, William died only six months later.
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there are many baptisms in London area for William Briggs but I can only find 2 with father Charles around 1808
13 Jan 1809
St Mary reigate
William Briggs
parents Charles & Catherine
Baptism 1 Jun 1806
St leonards Shoreditch
William Thomas Briggs
parents Charles & Elizabeth
Suz
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Do you have any other information?
Siblings names?
Suz
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No help but interesting :)
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18241028-90-punish481&div=t18241028-90#highlight
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Good-morning, thanks for help so far. More info on William Thomas Briggs. I don't have cert's for all the following... born 29/1/1806 in Shoreditch. Baptised 1/1/1815. Transported 6/4/1826 for 7 years. Married 21/8/1848 in N.S.W. Died 25/12/1858 in N.S.W.
He married Ann (Hannah) Smith 1829-1945. Children as follows... William Charles 1847-1945.
Betsy 1849- Thomas 1851-1928. Alice Sophie Lee 1856- and Charles Henry 1858-1929.
I have his father as Charles 1783-7/6/1830. Mother Elizabeth (Betsy) Upton 1782- and his siblings.....Charles Vango 1802- Samuel 1803- and Sophia Elizabeth 1809-
Charle's father as Thomas Briggs and mother Mary Stockwell. I see in other online tree's an Elizabeth Bale Married to Charles (1783-1830) I hope some-one can point me in the right direction.
Sandiehawk.
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It helps to know William had the middle name of Thomas
Was his father Charles Vango Briggs??
There is this baptism
St Leonards Shoreditch
Samuel Briggs
so of Charles Vango & Elizabeth
of William Street
baptism 14 Feb 1803 born 7 Jan
Suz
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It helps to know William had the middle name of Thomas
Did he though? His marriage registration, death registration and birth registrations of his children all list him as just William, as do the transportation records. Is there any proof he was William Thomas Briggs or is it being inferred because that's the only William Briggs with parents Charles and Elizabeth/Betsy at the right time appearing in London?
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Smudwhisk you may be right about Thomas being William's middle name. I have a copy of the family tree from a relative that says William Briggs 1808-1858 married Ann Smith. His father is Charles and on this tree it states Betsy Upton as the wife.
There is a baptism for a William Thomas Briggs for June 1806, parents Charles and Elizabeth.
I don't have a problem with who William is but can't decide who his parents were.
Thanks for help so far,
Sandi.
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Hi,
You quoted Samuel b. 1803 as brother to William (Thomas?) - on baptism Samuel's parents were Charles Vango & Elizabeth
So wondered if William's father was Charles Vango Briggs???
It helps if we can confirm middle names
Suz
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Hi Suzard, I'm not sure if Charles father's second name was Vango or not. Also just who his father was. I think it was Thomas b abt 1762- 18-9-1813 married to Mary Stockwell 1761-1831. Other tree's have his father as Charles Ellis b abt 1754, married to Ann. Both tree's have good points in their favour. I'm staying with Thomas until I see a better argument!
Cherrs,
Sandi.
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Smudwhisk you may be right about Thomas being William's middle name. I have a copy of the family tree from a relative that says William Briggs 1808-1858 married Ann Smith. His father is Charles and on this tree it states Betsy Upton as the wife.
I was actually querying whether you have any proof that William was born William Thomas Briggs because all of the indexes, including his death which lists his parents and Charles and Betsey, list him as just William. You say you don't have a problem with who his parents were, but you do have a problem on whether the Shoreditch baptism is him or another William with parents of those names.
It's not impossible that he just dropped his middle name, but just because he is listed as born London with parents of those names doesn't mean that baptism is correct for him. Briggs is a very common name, I should know as my great grandmother was a Briggs whose family originated in and around Bethnal Green, Whitechapel and Shoreditch, although there is no connection with a Charles Briggs or Charles Vango Briggs. You really need to be sure that that William is definately yours I'm afraid. He could have been born non-conformist even if he did end up marrying CofE in Australia (assuming that is the case). Unfortunately with such a common name in London, and no indication of where in London he was born on any entry I've seen, you need to remember London is a large place.
There is a baptism for a William Thomas Briggs for June 1806, parents Charles and Elizabeth.
I don't have a problem with who William is but can't decide who his parents were.
I suspect from the locations that the Charles and Elizabeth Briggs in Shoreditch will have been the couple who married at Bishopsgate as it's very close by, rather than Lambeth. However, whether all the Shoreditch baptisms to Charles Briggs and Charles Vango Briggs are the same couple, remains to be seen.
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No help but interesting :)
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18241028-90-punish481&div=t18241028-90#highlight
Don't think that's the same William Briggs, the Prison Hulk Registers which link to the NSW records say he was convicted at the London Sessions 6 April 1826.
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Hi, my name is Kevin Briggs and my great grandfather James William Briggs and his wife Hannah (nee Olds settled in South Australia in 1908 with their three sons James, Frederick and my grandfather George Henry Briggs and my GGGG Grandfather Charles was the brother of William Thomas Briggs, I have a copy of the wedding notice of Charles Ellis Briggs and Ann Statham witnessed by Thomas and John Vango his half brothers, Charles his son had the name Vango added in respect of his step father who raised him.
Charles Ellis Briggs parents were Arthur Briggs and Ann Ellis and Arthur's parents were Robert Briggs and Mary Gardiner I can go back a couple more generations, the world just keeps getting smaller as I thought my family were the first Briggs to come to Australia
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Hi Kevin, thanks for the information. You're right, the world does get smaller and smaller!!
My family of Briggs settled in New South Wales and most descendants are still there although I'm in Victoria. I have revised that branch of my tree but still finding out more details.
Sandiehawk
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Hi Kevin, I have decided the problem with the Briggs is they had such a limited vocab when It came to names!!!! I have a Frederick Briggs Born Wiltshire England,(1828 - 1905) Brother to my GGG grandfather John Briggs (1804 - 1888) He came to South Aust sometime prior to his marriage in 1861.
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Hi Frederick William Briggs was my GG Grandfather, born Hawkhill, Lesbury Northumberland.Born 1828. Father Robert Briggs. For some reason everyone said he was born in 'Wessex'. The Northumberland family had family names like Hamilton which was the second name for one of his boys. Married first to Elizabeth Leigh, 4 children, then to Mary Ann Ford, a widow nee McEvoy in Burra SA. They had 7 or 8. It would be interesting to see if its the same man. Maria