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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: familybuff on Saturday 06 July 13 23:26 BST (UK)
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Looking for information regarding my great-grandparents Elizabeth Mason and Andrew Stewart of Londonderry. I believe I have their marriage certificate, date of marriage 18 Jul 1922 at Ballyarnett. Andrew is listed as a widower at the time of their marriage and lived in the Park Avenue area. No ages are given, but his father is listed as the laborer James Stewart. Elizabeth is listed as having never been married, living in the Woodleigh Terrace area. Her father is listed as the mason James Mason. They later lived together on Argyle Terrace. Per our family records, Elizabeth had a sister named Rebecca Mason who was married to a James Warden. I believe that I have found James and Rebecca's marriage certificate, married on 23 Dec 1916 at Claremont. James Warden is listed as being 20, but there is no age for Rebecca. James' father is listed as the farmer William Warden. Rebecca's father is listed as the mason James Mason. I can't seem to find any other record of these families. I am trying to find birth records for Andrew Stewart, Elizabeth Stewart (Mason), and Rebecca Warden (Mason) and any vital information on their parents, siblings, etc. Although I cannot seem to find any records of them, there may also be a Reda, Ilene, May, and Ruby Warden that are somehow related to Rebecca, per our family Bible. Andrew Stewart had a sister named Violet and may have originally been from Scotland. Any information would be most appreciated!!!!!!!
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Starting with perhaps the easiest bit-
James Mason (occupation stone mason) here in 1911- looks like Lily could be the Ellen in 1901?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Liberties__Upper/Killea/604975
Same family in 1901 with a daughter Rebecca-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Upper_Liberties/Killea/1538758
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Wonder if this could be your Elizabeth? Elizabeth Ellen would explain her being Ellen in 1 census and Lily in another!
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBND-SPJ
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Although I cannot seem to find any records of them, there may also be a Reda, Ilene, May, and Ruby Warden that are somehow related to Rebecca, per our family Bible.
Any idea of dates/ages? Ruby is often a nickname for Rebecca.
Andrew is listed as a widower at the time of their marriage and lived in the Park Avenue area. and Andrew Stewart had a sister named Violet and may have originally been from Scotland.
What's Andrew's occupation when he married?
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Thank you so much aghadowey!! That is a great lead! I unfortunately have no addional information on Ilene, May, Reda, or Ruby. Their names were scribbled in the Bible by my grandma in approximately 1940 (she is now deceased). When he married, Andrew was listed as a carter.
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Sticking with the James and Elizabeth Mason family for the moment- 1911 census says married 27 years which fits with a possible marriage-
James Mason, July/Sept.1884 Londonderry registration district, volume 2 page 159 to Eliza Ewing.
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Something to keep in mind-
BIRTH: Ruby Cameron Warden, Jan./Mar.1920 Londonderry registration district, volume 2 page 138
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Aghadowey, you are awesome!!! Many thanks!!! The marriage that you found between the two fits very well as an Isabella Ewing is one of the witnesses to the Warden/Mason wedding! I will start researching that lead now. Any clues about Andrew Stewart or his sister? It seems you have better luck than I! :)
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According to the census Eliza (Ewing?) Mason was from Donegal so this might be the Isabella Ewing who witnessed the 1916 marriage-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Stranorlar/Stranorlar_Town/1199944
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Stranorlar/Main_Street/509845
I did have a bit of a look last night for Andrew Stewart and his sister Violet without any luck- found a tailor named Andrew (completely wrong occupation) and a Violet born in Scotland (only 3 in 1911). Trouble is we don't know if Andrew was previously married in Ireland (can't find marriage in Co.Derry) or even living there in 1911/1901.
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Sorry I cant help with any names or dates.
But some information on Claremont Pres. It was built about 1905 to accomodate the Scottish shipyard workers who lived around that area. Glasgow terrace, Arygle Terrace etc.
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Thank you so much, reichs. I've tried looking up that church, but with no luck!!! Does the parish still exist?
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No it doesn't. the church closed 1996. Congregation amalgated with First Derry Presbyterian Church in the town so their records might be held there.
S.
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The Presbyterian Church Historical Society might also be able to help with the location of old records for the church:
http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/
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Probably barking up the wrong tree !!!
As a child I lived 1 street away from Argyle Terrace and went to Claremont pres. church
There was a older lady at church called Violet Greer who died about 20 years aged aprox. 80 + and she lived in Cedar Street which was side street to Argyle Street . I have looked the 1911 census for Cedar street and
found house for Stewart and a one for Ewings. look at www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search for Stewart -Londonderry - Cedar Street. Unfortunately I dont anyone to ask what her maiden name was .
Wonder did Violet live in the Stewart house after she married . Sorry if this is a load of rubbish !!
I love adding 2 +2 and getting the answer the fairy tale
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Thank you, Elwyn! I'll check with them. Reichs, your help has been invaluable. I'm currently trying to see if I can make a connection between Ms. Greer and Stewarts in the area. Can't thank you enough, if for nothing else, trying to help me figure out the mystery!!!!! :)
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Hi again, I'm probably not the best person to give advise- I have just made the biggest mess of my own search. :'(
Thinking !! If Andrew was widowed by 1922, he may be too old to be brother to my Violet Greer.
Is he on any of the census.?
I will try to see if I can get a look at the Claremont records. Cant promise.
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Not good news !!
I have had a look at the Claremont baptismal records since 1909.
Plenty of Stewarts, with a few James, but no Andrew , not even listed as a father.
Closest I could see was Frances Mary dob. 2/9/13 father James and mother Charotte Gordon.
Found John Mason Nicholl - dob 15/1/1902 , father John Nicholl and mother Mary Jane Mason.
Also 2 children , father Samuel Stewart and mother Margaret Ewing but I cant give details because they could possibly still be alive.
Checked communicates , only since 1919, but no record of Andrew stewart, or any Masons or Wardens. So will look for the early book tomorrow.
Couldn't find the marriage records book but again will look for it tomorrow too.
It doesn't look as if they were full members.
They may have belonged to Great James Street Presbyterian Church.
Don't worry, this is no bother because I help as church tour guide in the summer.
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Hi again,
Saw 2 marriages for Claremont Pres. Church
1. 23rd December 1916 Rebecca Mason , looks like 'full' age, no occupation, , father James Mason Residence Londonderry, to James Warden ,20 years old, Porter, father William Warden residence Lisfannon. Winessed by Joseph Quigley and Isabella Ewing.
2. 6th August 1918 Robert Mason, soldier, 25 Lewis Street, father looks like James Mason , a mason, to Isabella Higgins , Burt , father William Higgins . Witnessed by Samuel Carey and Elizabeth Mason ( is this andrew's wife)
Couldn't see anything else . Sorry!!
Before Claremont was built in 1905, people would have attended services in the Bethany Hall in Park Ave. but I didn't see any records for there.
As I said before Great James Street Presbyterian would have been another one close to the Park Ave. area.
Hope this is some help.
Sandra
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Sorry, also discovered that Greers , attended Claremont and lived in Cedar Street from about 1919. So don't think she is connected to Andrew Stewart.
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Sandra, how can I ever thank you enough for being so kind and giving of your time to help me search? Thank you, thank you, thank you! I hadn't logged in for a couple days and just saw your last several posts. I'm sad to see that the Violet Greer lead did not pan out - but you have provided me with another lead in Robert Mason, as I recognize him from a census that I believe belongs to my Elizabeth Mason. So yes, I do believe she was the one who witnessed the marriage!!!! Wow!! It is very hard to conduct searches from out of the country as it can get very expensive and confusing. Now I will begin searching for more information on Robert, his wife and the other witness. As for the other marriage certificate you posted, I'm pretty sure that is the Rebecca and James I am looking for! I'm so happy. Your help is very much appreciated!
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This is for a William Mason
http://www.diamondwarmemorial.com/soldiers/view/871
I have also sent a personal message.
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This is likely where that information came from-
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/603321/MASON,%20W
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Rebecca Mason (Warden) was my Grandmother. She passed away on 31 October 1971. My mother is Ruby McClay (nee Warden), who is still with us at 95 and was James Warden and Rebecca Warden's firstborn (6th September 1919) My mother's siblings, Rita, Eileen, Billy have all passed away but she has one sister, May and one brother Jim who are still with us
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