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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: markdrogers99 on Tuesday 02 July 13 22:35 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information on Ronald Sydney Moses (known as Ronnie). Ronnie was born in 1933 in Kobe, Japan to Frederick and Victoria Moses. I understand Ronnie died in Adelaide in 2011.
Ronnie had married June Ward in Portsmouth, England in 1954 though moved to Australia at some point though think June and Ronnie separated at this time.
I would be keen to learn of any information on Ronnie and his life in Australia.
Thank you.
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Initials for second given names can be helpful.
Marriages Dec 1954
MOSES Ronald S Portsmouth 6b/888
WARD June E Portsmouth 6b/888
This site has a database of death and in memoriam notices for The Advertiser, Adelaide. Nil result.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Nothing there or on this site either.
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Cando
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There are four MOSES births with mother's maiden name WARD from 1956 to 1962 on
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Cando
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I see you have attached his birth and marriage certificates to an online tree.
What is your source of his death information?
Cando
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I found this, tho IF it is him he was in Australia before his marriage in the UK.
Name MOSES Ronald
Year of birth 1932
Departure 1948 Liverpool
Destination Australia Sydney
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I see you have attached his birth and marriage certificates to an online tree.
What is your source of his death information?
Cando
Death info was sourced from another users tree cross referenced with the same UK information I has found.
I've sent several messages to the user over the past six months though no response. Thought I'd try a different route.
Hoping to find some further records of him in Australia.
Thanks
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I found this, tho IF it is him he was in Australia before his marriage in the UK.
Name MOSES Ronald
Year of birth 1932
Departure 1948 Liverpool
Destination Australia Sydney
This could be him as his brother, David Edward Moses, migrated in 1949 (also no records of him post 1956 - see other roots chat forums).
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Perhaps a request to SLSA for a search of the electoral rolls in 2011 - perhaps he re-married and there may be other MOSES enrolled to vote at the same address.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?area_id=15&nav_id=669
Cando
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Looks like the death index for his brother David. In New Zealand :o
Year of death and reg. 2007/7300 Moses David Edward DOB 2 January 1931
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
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Looks like the death index for his brother David. In New Zealand :o
Year of death and reg. 2007/7300 Moses David Edward DOB 2 January 1931
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Thank you so much! David was my grandfather whom i have been searching for a very long time. I have now ordered his death certificate which will hopefully uncover more.
Thank you again! you are amazing!!
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Your very welcome :)
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Mark I suggest you order a print out not a certified certificate. I think the information is better.
Cando
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Probably a long shot with this but
NSW marriage index
151/1955
MOSES DAVID EDWARD
MOWBRAY DOROTHEAR MARGARET
District SYDNEY
There could be more than one David Edward Moses. Im trying to find more info to help eliminate or confirm if the marriage is your David.
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New Zealand Electoral Roll
1968
MOSES David E 21 Dundale Avenue, Roskill, Auckland Painter and paperhanger
MOSES Pamela R 21 Dundale Avenue, Roskill, Auckland Married
1972, 1978, 1981
MOSES David E 16 Greenock Road, Waitemata, Auckland Painter
MOSES Pamela Rae Greenock Road, Waitemata, Auckland Married
http://waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx
MOSES David Edward 76 years, Painter and Decorator, died 3 Mar 2007, buried 21 Mar 2007.
Location - Western Lawn B Row 5 Plot 85
Funeral Director - W M Morrison, Funeral Directors.
Head Stone Details - not available.
Cando
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Reading your online tree...does this help :-\. Death notice in Advertiser available from...
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
RUMP Thomas William 1982
Cando
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I found this, tho IF it is him he was in Australia before his marriage in the UK.
Name MOSES Ronald
Year of birth 1932
Departure 1948 Liverpool
Destination Australia Sydney
This could be him as his brother, David Edward Moses, migrated in 1949 (also no records of him post 1956 - see other roots chat forums).
From an another earlier thread
Mr David E MOSES, 18 years, painter, embarked London 1 Dec 1949 on the RANCHI contracted to land Melbourne, Australia, travelling tourist class. His last address in the UK - 16 Shore Avenue, Milton, Portsmouth. Country of last permanent residence, England. Country of intended permanent residence, Australia.
Cando
Gee you were quick posting the death and electoral roll info on your online family tree ;D
Cando
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Not sure if these would be of further help or not.
http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/personnotices.php?personid=7523
MOSES, Pamela Rae
Other Name(s): nee WILLOUGHBY.
Died 06 March 2008. Age 68
http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/personnotices.php?personid=34423
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First wife Lila May THOULESS whom he married in 1950 in Victoria.
Second
MOSES David Edward Perth 242 M 1956
MOONEY Patricia Rosemary
District Perth Reg#242 1956
In the newspaper article about David Edward's bigamy it was written that Patricia Rosemary MOONEY was 25 years of age in 1956 ie born c1931. Rosemary Rae MOSES was 68 years of age in 2008 so born c1940.
Third wife?
The death notice of Patricia Rae MOSES nee WILLOUGHBY
Cando
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Oh my goodness typo...Pamela Rae MOSES ::) ::).
Cando
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The link below for Trove the aussie newspapers with the article cando mentioned.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/75861724?searchTerm=%22David%20Edward%20Moses%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=David+Edward+Moses
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/75861790?searchTerm=%22David%20Edward%20Moses%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=David+Edward+Moses
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Oh my goodness typo...Pamela Rae MOSES ::) ::).
Cando
Looks like Pamela Rae Willioughby was his third wife.
Based on the links to information you provided I have applied for both death notices from New Zealand (2007 and 2008). In addition I received your advice in respect to obtaining a print out of David's death record, rather than the certificate. Hopefully I should receive this over the next couple of weeks.
In respect to Thomas William Rump I also requested a copy of his death notice though based on the link you provided seems I needed to send off a research request and await an estimated cost to have this transcribed. I've not been able to find a death notice for his wife, Victoria Rump (David's mother) who I understand moved to Australia with Thomas William Rump (known as Bill). Have you had much luck?
Thanks again for uncovering all this new information... I hit a brick wall over six months ago and thought I'd never find him. :)
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There is a fixed cost for copies of notices from The Advertiser that the Society have on file. Now I have found their burial records you can ask the State Library of South Australia for the notices as you have a date.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?area_id=15&nav_id=669
http://www.centennialpark.org/deceased-search.html
RUMP Thomas William died 10 Aug 1982 aged 72 years. He was cremated 13 Aug 1982
Last Abode Hackham West
RUMP Victoria Emily died 9 Jun 2002 aged 91 years. She was cremated 16 Jun 2002
Last Abode - Morphett Vale
Cheers
Cando
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Gee Mark....updated on your tree already ;)
Cando
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Gee Mark....updated on your tree already ;)
Cando
LOL ;D I was very excited so couldnt wait to add the additional information to the tree!
I have put a request in with the State Library of South Australia to obtain a copy the death notices placed in The Advertiser.
Thanks again for all your help!
Mark
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Not sure if these would be of further help or not.
http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/personnotices.php?personid=7523
MOSES, Pamela Rae
Other Name(s): nee WILLOUGHBY.
Died 06 March 2008. Age 68
http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/personnotices.php?personid=34423
Thanks for the additional information as I was starting to search for a death record for her.
Hopefully the death notices and death certificates ordered may shed light as to whether David and Pamela had any children.
Thanks again for your help!
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I can't see a David MOSES/Pauline MOSES divorce file on the index for surviving divorce papers to 1970 in NSW
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx
I searched using - divorce moses
I see that his second wife was back in NSW living with her parents in 1963. According to your tree there was a daughter to her relationship with David and then she has a daughter and a son in later relationship.
David Edward MOSES is not be the grandfather of the daughter and son in Pauline's second relationship.
So now you have that David E married 1950, 1956, 1965 and again in 1986 - four marriages ::) Have you found any divorces ;) Sorry couldn't resist that after the bigamy charges in WA?
Cheers
Cando
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Hey Cando.
I received a copy of the death record for David Moses. Seems he had three children with Pamela Willoughby, with one dying young. His name was Matthew Moses (born mid to late 1960's and died early twenties?). Am unsure as to when he exactly died though think it was in a bus or motorbike accident in New Zealand. I've been unable to locate any information on this and was hoping you could help. Thanks :-)
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I have just been advised that Ronald possibly changed his surname from Moses to that of his mothers second husbands - Rump.
I was hoping someone might be able to see if there are any records out there for a Ronald Sydney Rump. Thank you.
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I understand Ronnie died in Adelaide in 2011.
David there is no death or funeral notices in The Advertiser for a Ronald Sydney RUMP or MOSES in 2011. I have checked two sources.
Cando
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I have just been advised Ronald S Moses changed his surname to Gordon. I located a record in a site indicating his obituary is listed in the Advertiser in 2011. Can someone assist with providing a copy of the transcript and any other records under Ronald Sydeney Gordon.
Thanks!
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http://www.heavenaddress.com/Ronald-Sydney-Gordon/396139/
Ronald Sydney Gordon
Born in Japan on 28 February 1933
Passed away in Morphett Vale, Australia on 31 August 2011
Late of Morphett Vale
Aged 78 years
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Funeral Notice in The Advertiser
GORDON Ronald Sydney 2 Sep 2011
Haven't located a cremation/burial record yet...
Cando
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Ronald Sydney GORDON
Funeral Date and Time: 2:00 PM Tuesday 6th September 2011
Funeral Location: Simplicity Funerals Chapel, cnr Main South & Beach Rds, Morphett Vale, SA
Funeral Director: Simplicity Funerals - Morphett Vale, Ph (08) 8326 5655
Nothing to say where Burial/Cremation took place though.
http://www.thelastpost.com.au/search-results.php?search_term=ronald+sydney+gordon&which=past&x=24&y=21 (http://www.thelastpost.com.au/search-results.php?search_term=ronald+sydney+gordon&which=past&x=24&y=21)
Sashar
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I can't see a David MOSES/Pauline MOSES divorce file on the index for surviving divorce papers to 1970 in NSW
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx
I searched using - divorce moses
I see that his second wife was back in NSW living with her parents in 1963. According to your tree there was a daughter to her relationship with David and then she has a daughter and a son in later relationship.
David Edward MOSES is not be the grandfather of the daughter and son in Pauline's second relationship.
So now you have that David E married 1950, 1956, 1965 and again in 1986 - four marriages ::) Have you found any divorces ;) Sorry couldn't resist that after the bigamy charges in WA?
Cheers
Cando
Cando - Do you know if there is an Investgator Records for each state and possibly equivalent in NZ? Just trying to think of other ways to locate information on the Moses family. Thanks :-)
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Hey, im looking for information on Matthew Moses. He died in NZ in a bus accident. Im looking for any living relatives who may know any information about Matthew Moses.
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Might be of interest http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=653750.0
"Matthew James Moses was born 13.3.1967. His death was registered @ Hamilton in 1995"
Archives New Zealand Wellington Office
Coroner's Inquest file:
MOSES - Matthew James - year 1996
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22331153
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Thanks, this is quite helpful :-)