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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: jac on Sunday 30 June 13 15:35 BST (UK)
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Hello,
On behalf of a friend I am trying to trace the descendants of Pilot Owen Lauden of the New Zealand Air Force who was stationed in England during WW2. We think that he survived the war but died young. He had a sister Rona Lauden who's married name is Wilson.
Their father was J F (Fred) Lauden a famous photographer from Hamiltion & Tauranga. The 1956 NZ Heath Stamps were designed from a photograph taken from by him of his grand children Graeme & Peter Wilson. This photograph was published in The Auckland Weekly News.
Rona & family were living in Tauranga, New Zealand.
I am eager to make contact with Graeme Wilson &/or Peter Wilson or any relative or friend that would know their whereabouts.
The reason for this is that during WW2 Owen Lauden & his friend Peter Price (who died in action) stayed with my friend's father in Nantwich, Cheshire, England. Owen's father J F (Fred) Lauder corresponded frequently sending letters & photographs etc that my friend now has in his possession & would like to pass on to the family if they can be found.
I would also be interested to hear from the family of Peter Price.
Any suggestions on how to go about this mammoth task would be gratefully received.
Many thanks & best regards,
Jacqui Orton
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Might it be LOUDEN?
There is a death here that may match: 1945/39747 Louden Owen Ernest Dudley NR
A Cenotaph record here with father John Frederick and mother Elsie: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v10/
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You may get some leads by looking at the death (notice or gravestone) of Owen's parents as to next of kin alive at those times.
1967/41611 Louden John Frederick 78Y
1970/46932 Louden Elsie 77Y
The electoral roll may help trace a family too.
We aren't allowed to post details of living people on Rootschat, but we do have a post that may help you, here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,495373.0.html
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Hi, thanks for that, yes it is definately Lauden (a typo on the father's name). I have tried to click on the links for the death records you have given but doesn't respond. Where did you get the information from?
Thanks, Jac
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CWGC,has him listed as
LOUDEN, OWEN ERNEST DUDLEY
Rank:Flight Sergeant
Trade:Pilot
Service No:427044
Date of Death:27/12/1943
Age:18
Regiment/Service:Royal New Zealand Air Force
Grave ReferenceSec. R. Grave 16.
Cemetery:SILLOTH (CAUSEWAYHEAD) CEMETERY, HOLME LOW
Additional Information:Son of John Frederick and Elsie Louden, of Hamilton, Auckland, New Zealand.
The cemetery is in Cumberland UK
Cheers Janette
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1967/41611 Louden John Frederick 78Y
Date of death : 21 November 1967
1970/46932 Louden Elsie 77Y
Date of Death :5 August 1970
Both of these were cremations at Tauranga. The Funeral Director at the time was "Jones and Company Funeral Services.
Cheers
KHP
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You could try emailing the funeral directors who did his parents funerals,they may be able to give you NoK address
Jones & Company their email is halfway down the page
http://www.fdanz.org.nz/about-fdanz/fdanz-funeral-directors/bay-of-plentytaupo.aspx
Elsie died 5th August 1970
Cheers Janette
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Hello...
Maybe see if the following slingshot email address is still working at this link...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v11/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v11/)
Last update was 2003 so maybe not.
Although the following website has the same slingshot email address and was last updated in 2013, so maybe so :)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v12/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v12/)
Regards
Beg
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There also two trees on Ancestry and another on Mundia for Owen Ernest Dudley Louden :)
Cheers
KHP
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A case like this is a good time to contact the local newspaper (perhaps drop an email with a scan of one of the pictures). Probably there are still people in the Tauranga area who would still remember the family.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2169079/PRICE,%20PETER
- is this the friend Peter Price?
If so, wife Imelda Catherine Price d. 1983. I believe she was b. "Katherine Imelda Price" in 1906. Later in the 1940s she had a breach of promise case against an American ( some references on http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk )
I do not see a birth registration for a child born to her and Peter - they were married in 1938 so not much time for married life before he went off to war :(
www.rquirk.com/160files/adlib/pdfs/AD%20LIB%2029.pdf
- has a letter from Peter which mentions Imelda, "brother Geoff" an ordinary seaman, and Weenie, a nurse (sister?)
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You can request his service record for free from the New Zealand Defence Force (more than one is charged for) which may list wife etc.. Heres the link http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/accessing-military-service-records.htm
The other person to contact is the excellent Errol Martyn. I am quite happy to email him for you with a link to this to see if he has anything he can help with. Errol wrote a 3 part book series called For Your Tomorrow. Books 1&2 cover the planes and what happened to them. Book 3 has a potted biography of each airman. It only covers the deceased but once you find out what Sqn he was on then you can find out more if there is an Assn :)
Dee
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WOW, what a kind helpful lot you are!
Thank you all so much.
I have found out such a lot of interesting stuff & now feel that I am very close to finding some living descendants of Owen Ernest Dudley Louden when it seemed like a hopeless task.
Should I be successful then I will give them all the info & links that you all have provided so that they can find out more about Owen.
All the best,
Jacqui
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Parents of Peter Price m. India:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGVX-ZVJ
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
shows in 1921 Jessie Price travelling with three kids to India - Peter, Geoffrey, and a younger sister who might be "Wennie". In 1923 the same group are heading to Sydney.
There are also some records for Jessie Cardiff Price travelling to Kenya in the late 1950s.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34274438?versionId=42227596
- I think this is brother Geoffrey.
www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz shows that Geoffrey Rowland Price died in 2011.
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=175367&type=Cremation
http://www.familyarchives.co.nz/ViewNotice.aspx?nid=5009
http://thecommunityarchive.org.nz/node/210525/description
- I believe these are references to Geoffrey's wife, Joan. (because of the Solomon Islands link)
From Joan's obituary, it does not appear that she had children living.
I'm not sure if there was a NZ link for the rest of the Price family or it's just that Geoffrey retired there, but Jessie must have been taking the kids to Australia in 1923 for a reason.
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Would love to be kept up to date :)
Dee
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Dee,
I will certainly keep you up to date. I was so tempted to take you up on your offer of finding out more about Owen & Peter, I felt a real connection but my task is to find a living decendent, so that's where I have to put my energy. Thanks to this site I am hoping to have traced a relative, just waiting for a positive response to an email.....fingers crossed!!,
Thanks a lot,
Jacqui
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Jorose,
Thanks for all your research but I'm afraid that I have found out that this is not the correct Peter Price. I have found the correct one, he was Peter March Price. Thanks again for all your efforts.
All the best,
Jacqui
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Hi Jacqui
Happy to help with live rellies if I can. Have you thought of trying to get an article in a paper. They love these sort of stories :)
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Hello there.
Using borrowed computer so don't have my contacts at my finger tips, however when it comes to letters written by WWI pilots etc both the Museums closest to their downing in Europe would like copies of such material, [in preparation for 100 years] and ERROL MARTYN who's three books cover all deceased [in service] NZ Air Force personel record of service, are very keen to share and preserve info, but at the same time respect family wishes.
PM me if you would like contact addresses. When I have time available i will reply.
Also you can to a forum search for contact info in the above search box.
- ALAN.
OOPs age catching up - read post as WWI not WWII however there is still strong interest in war time letters.
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Hi Dee,
I contacted the Bay of Plenty News a couple of days ago but i'm still waiting for a reply.
I'm sure they won't want to give up on a good story, here's hoping!
Jacqui
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Do let us know how you get on :-)
Dee
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Email to Errol on its way :)
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Just found a reference to an Owen Louden where Errol has been involved on here:
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?3556-F-O-Stan-Cleworth-RAF-Silloth-RCAF
From my Vol Three:
LOUDEN, Flight Sergeant Owen Ernest Dudley.
NZ427044; b Hamilton 19 Jan 24; Hamilton THS; draughtsman's assistant - Waikato EPB, Hamilton. ATC; RNZAF Taieri as Aircrafthand (ATC) 11 Jul 42, remust as Airman Pilot u/t 27 Jul 42, 1EFTS c.27 Jul 42, 2SFTS 17 Oct 42, Pilots Badge [wef 29.12.42] & Sgt 6 Mar 43, att RAF & emb for UK 4 Apr 43, 12PD&RC 29 May 43, 17(P)AFU 6 Jul 43, 55OTU (Hurricane) 16 Nov 43, kaa 27 Dec 43. Silloth (Causewayhead) Cemetery - R.16, Holme Low, Cumb., England. Son of John Frederick & Elsie Louden (née Booth), Hamilton. [phot. TWN 26.5.43, & 9.2.44 & 6.9.44].
EPB = Electric Power Board
TWN - refers to a New Zealand paper called 'The Weekly News'. The three issues with photos are:
26 May 43 page 12 (head and shoulders view, one of two airmen pictured)
9 Feb 44 page 22 (smaller view, passport size, head and shoulders view)
6 Sep 44 page 26 (photo of a memorial trophy in his memory presented by his parents to the Hamilton Yacht Club)
Copies can be obtained from the RNZAF Museum, who hold an almost complete set of TWN for WWII - info@airforcemuseum.co.nz
Errol
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Might be worth putting something in the Hamilton, NZ local paper too as his records say:
Son of John Frederick & Elsie Louden (née Booth), Hamilton.
Dee :)
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Errol martyn must be putting a late night but has replied already. This is from the New Zealand loss bible For Your Tomorrow Series which he wrote:
From Vol 2 (Fates: 1943-1998):
Mon 27 Dec 1943
ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY AIR FORCE
Sector reconnaissance and dog fight practice
55 Operational Training Unit, RAF (Annan, Dumfriesshire - 9 Group, Air Defence of Great Britain)
Hurricane X AG175 - took off at about 0930, completed one dogfight and began another with one of the Unit’s Hurricane Is (V7010). During the engagement the fighters collided in mid-air, at 1045, and are believed to have crashed 10 miles SW of Carlisle, Cumberland. The pilots, both age 19, are buried at Silloth. (Note: The crash site is described in official records as ‘at Dalston, 10 miles SW of Carlisle’, but Dalston lies only 4 miles away, not 10. ‘Near’ Dalston, as the closest town of significant size to the crash site, may have been intended rather than ‘at’.)
Pilot: NZ427044 Flt Sgt Owen Ernest Dudley LOUDEN, RNZAF - Age 19. 378hrs.
Thu 27 Jul 1944
ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY AIR FORCE
Rocket projectile attack on an enemy concentration near Tilly-la-Campagne, France
609 Squadron, RAF (B7 [Martragny], France - 123 Wing, 84 Group, 2nd Tactical Air Force)
Typhoon IB JP843 - took off at 1730 as ‘No 2’ with three others to attack troops and transport 7km SSE of Caen, being one of two which failed to return. After encountering flak the Typhoon was seen by the others to break to the right and down, disappearing into a rainstorm. JP843 was later found crashed near Poussy-la-Campagne, 7km SE of Tilly-la-Campagne. The pilot was buried at the scene, but later reinterred at Ranville, 9km NE of Caen.
Pilot: NZ424518 Plt Off Peter March PRICE, RNZAF - Age 20. 472hrs. 10th op.
Vol 3 (Biographies & Appendices):
LOUDEN, Flight Sergeant Owen Ernest Dudley.
NZ427044; b Hamilton 19 Jan 24; Hamilton THS; draughtsman's assistant - Waikato EPB, Hamilton. ATC; RNZAF Taieri as Aircrafthand (ATC) 11 Jul 42, remust as Airman Pilot u/t 27 Jul 42, 1EFTS c.27 Jul 42, 2SFTS 17 Oct 42, Pilots Badge [wef 29.12.42] & Sgt 6 Mar 43, att RAF & emb for UK 4 Apr 43, 12PD&RC 29 May 43, 17(P)AFU 6 Jul 43, 55OTU (Hurricane) 16 Nov 43, kaa 27 Dec 43. Silloth (Causewayhead) Cemetery - R.16, Holme Low, Cumb., England. Son of John Frederick & Elsie Louden (née Booth), Hamilton. [phot. TWN 26.5.43, & 9.2.44 & 6.9.44].
PRICE, Pilot Officer Peter March.
NZ424518; b Auckland 6 Mar 24; Wanganui Collegiate; [clerk?] - Bank of Australasia, Napier. RNZAF Rotorua/ITW as Airman Pilot u/t 2 May 42, 3EFTS 23 Jul 42, 1st solo 7 Aug 42, 2SFTS 16 Oct 42, Pilots Badge [wef 25.1.43] & Sgt 6 Mar 43, att RAF & emb for UK 4 Apr 43, 12PD&RC 28 May 43, 17(P)AFU 6 Jul 43, 55OTU (Hurricane) 16 Nov 43, 53OTU (Spitfire) 24 Jan 44, 1TEU (Hurricane) 23 Feb 44, 3TEU (Hurricane, Typhoon) 31 Mar 44, 84GSU (Typhoon) 30 May 44, 609 Sqn (Typhoon - 10 ops) 3 Jun 44, Comm 22 Jul 44, kao 27 Jul 44. Ranville War Cemetery - IX.F.22, Calvados, France. Son of Capt Frederick Ashton Price, MC & Mrs Hazel Maud Price (née Wilson, later Raven), Remuera, Auckland. [phot. TWN 18.10.44 & 5.9.45].
You might be able to make contact with relatives through the 'Lost Trails' columns of the quarterly magazine of the Returned Services Association - RSA Review. There is no charge for placing a notice in the column. Write to the editor at dion@waterfordpress.co.nz
He also suggested as I did that you get the record from the NZDF for even more info :)
Dee
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Thanks Dee for posting all that information.
The link that mentions the pilot that Owen collided with over Cumbria is very interesting.
I may contact them as they seemed interested in knowing about Owen.
Cheers,
Jacqui
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Hello again.
If you leave the Hamilton connection to me, I will try to locate living relatives. I have just tried a Hamilton listing without success, but did business with LOUDENS many moons ago on the Gordonton Road, and have contacts with the BOOTH'S of Hamilton.
Will see what I can did up over the next couple of days.
- Alan.
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Thanks Alan, you are so kind,
John Frederick Lauden (Owen's father) originally came from Hamilton but then moved to Tauranga in about 1955/6. I don't know if he had any other family in Hamilton, I think that may be my next line of research as trying to find Owen's sisters family (Wilson) that lived in Tauranga is proving very difficult. Elsie Lauden (nee Booth) I believe came from Lancashire, England but of course she probably came to NZ with her family of who there may be descendants still living in Hamilton.
I really appreciate your kind offer in trying to help with this,
Many thanks,
Jacqui
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Hi All,
Just thought I would give a little update. Thanks to KHP & Janettes suggestion about contacting the funeral directors they have come back with some info that is interesting. It would appear that Owen also had another sister Gladys who is deceased. He also had a niece as well as two nephews so maybe another lead to tracing the family. Also one of his nephews moved to Canada, here we go again!
Cheers,
Jacqui
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Hello again.
Thanks for keeping me in the loop. Owen was just a couple of years younger than the four Melville Airmen, also from Hamilton, whom I've researched. They tread similar paths.
The Holland & Beckett mentioned in some of the material you have received, is that of a legal practice in Tauranga. It could pay to write to them, to see if they still act for any family members. They may have a more recent address for service, though if our local ones are anything to go by, they purge their client lists often, and store most files off site, in storage. So you have to pay to access / uplift additional copies of, even your quite recent dealings.
Worth a try though. Their contact details are easy found. Fill in the blanks. lawyers hobec co nz
- Alan.
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Good thinking Alan, I'll get onto that,
Jacqui
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Yet again.
I see the name Rona WILSON gets some modern hits in the Christchurch area. Possibly a death some 10 years ago, and more recently associated with sport. Any one with social media accounts who could check them out ? An outside chance there is a connection. Rona is not that common a given name these days.
- Alan
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Hi,
Just an update to let you all know that I have had a fantastic result & managed to contact Owen's family, who were thrilled to hear from me!
Many thanks to all of you for your support & help,
All the best,
Jacqui
Jacqui
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Well done Jac.
- Alan.
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What good news,well done
Cheers Janette
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Nice to hear of a happy ending ;D
Cheers
KHP
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What a lovely story and some brilliant sleuthing
Well done ;D ;D
Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah
You pm'd me but its still not letting me pm you back, I would be interested on your thoughts as per the topic of the pm, as I am concerned why this information was wanted and now has been asked to be removed.
Many thanks
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Vicky,you need to make another post to be able to use the PM system
Cheers Janette
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Perfect, thank you
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Thanks for your all your congratulations, this has been so very rewarding, well worth all the hours sitting on the computer instead of getting on with the housework.
Didn't realise how much dog hair is on the carpet, must get the vac out!
Cheers
Jac
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PS.
While Jac and I were in constant contact over two weeks, and she was the one who managed the contact with Colin WILSON, there still remains an open quest at finding family of the late Peter March PRICE. Peter's Mother was a Miss WILSON but we know of no connection with the above WILSON'S.
The saved material spanned from the mid 1940's through until the mid 1950's, with a few of the items directly connected to Peter. So the quest continues, and gives great satisfaction to one 70 year old. His wish to return the heritage material to New Zealand being fulfilled.
- Alan.
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there still remains an open quest at finding family of the late Peter March PRICE.
- Alan.
I have sent some possible information for the above to Alan via email .... will need to be verified.
Cheers
KHP
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Many thanks KHP - about to forward your research to the Isle of Man. - Alan.
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Hi Janette and crew. Do you know if a, Yearbury's Funeral Services, conducting a funeral at Purewa Cemetery Auckland in 1982, is the same company now operating in the South Island ? I see their web pages only claim 20 years of service.
- Alan
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Hi Alan,
The Christchurch company claim to have 20 years experience between them,an online search brought up these for Auckland,
YEARBURY'S FUNERAL SERVICES LIMITED (1987-07-12);
WATNEY SIBUNS' SONS (MANUREWA) LIMITED (1996-04-03);
It may pay to contact Sibuns, John Sibun does there archives and he was listed as a director,
Cheers Janette
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Noted - THANKS - Alan.
PS - With partners changing, there have been a few confusing name changes along the way. Now found them as Sibuns Funeral Directors & Advisors.