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I am revisiting my early Talbot research and am interested in contacting anyone else interested in this Ryton-on-Dunsmore family.
My 3x gt grandfather William Smith was born 1800 in Ryton-on-Dunsmore and I have always believed him to be the son of John Smith and Peggie Talbot but was not absolutely certain until this week. I do not seem to have recorded in my early notes that in 1841 Peggie Smith aged 80 was at the same address as William (Fir Tree Farm, Bascote, Long itchington).
I have also just found Peggie's burial in Ancestry; Peggie Smith was buried in Ryton-on-Dunsmore on 18 Dec 1847 aged 91. Not sure why I missed it before
John Smith was buried in Ryton-on-Dunsmore on 26 APR 1814 aged 66.
Peggie Talbot was baptised in ROD on 16 Feb 1759, daughter of Richard and Margaret.
The other family members that I had extracted were:
Hardin baptised 22 DEC 1750
William " 18 MAR 1753
Sarah " 3 AUG 1755
John " 10 APR 1757
Peggie " 16 FEB 1759
Richard TALBOTT (noted as husband of Margaret) was buried on June 20th 1767. Margaret (wife of Richard) was buried on 14 SEP 1797.
I did not find a marriage for Richard and Margaret's were married c1750 then this would suggest that Richard was born around 1720.
I had a probable match for Richard in the family of Richard Talbot and Emlin ?Boudy who were married in ROD on 20 JAN 1706. The following list are the baptisms I extracted from the LDS copies of the ROD parish films. Most of these can now be found in Ancestry but I have not yet had time to check them all out again. I do know now that there is a second Sarah baptism on 28 Feb 1722/23. The same day as the Joseph & John baptisms that I recorded as 1723.
There are ten baptisms recorded in Ryton-on-Dunsmore to Richard and Emlin:
Mary bap 10 MAY 1713
Richard " 5 SEP 1717
Thomas & John " 10 JUL 1719
Sarah 10 DEC 1720
Joseph & John " 28 FEB 1723
Thomas & Ann " 29 MAR 1724
William 8 JAN 1727
Many of these children did not survive childhood. But a list exists of those who were minors on the death of their father Richard in 1727.
Hardin Mary Elizabeth Richard Sarah Thomas William
It is the name Hardin that makes me think that the Richard in the above list is my 4 x gt grandfather. I am interested in any Talbot family which includes the name Hardin.
I have a transcript of the Will of a Hardin Talbot of Stretton-on Dunsmore who was a great grandfather at the time of his death. Hardin (d1784) only mentions one son named Hardin but leaves most of his possessions to his grandsons Thomas & William and some great grandchildren. This is a very lengthy and detailed Will which is very interesting tor read.Will of Hardin TALBOTT of Stretton on Dunsmore At Coventry, 8 OCT 1784 (see also 16 FEB 1801)
I believe Thomas and William were the sons of Hardin Talbot who married Elizabeth OAKLEY on 1 OCT 1756 at ROD. This Hardin Talbot was presumably born c1835 and died intestate in 1800.
Children of Hardin & Elizabeth Talbot:
Thomas 1757-1816
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Oops I appear to have accidentally posted the first part of this unfinished though it has more than enough to be going on with. However I do want to get to Thomas Talbot b c1757 son of Hardin as this is where my research differs from public member trees on Ancestry and in FamilySearch.
Hardin’s son Thomas died 1817 and it is probably his will which appears on the probate index in 1818. Thomas's wife Elizabeth died in 1830 and left a will.
Elizabeth's will names Willilam Gunton/Gunter as a nephew and heir.
Will of Elizabeth TALBOTT of Ryton-upon-Dunsmore At Coventry 8 OCT 1830
I give and bequeath to my sister, Catherine CHAPLIN all my wearing apparel & my wedding ring. I give and bequeath unto my nephew William GUNTER all my money goods chattels personal estate & effects of what nature or kind so-ever and where soever the same shall be at the time of my death. And I nominate constitute and appoint my said nephew William Gunter executer.
In Hardin Talbot seniors will of 1784 he names his granddaughter who I believe to be Ann Talbot baptised 1759, daughter of Hardin & Elizabeth & sister of Thomas b1757.
ITEM. To my grandchild Ann GUNTON the interest of £100 to be paid for her life. Should she die leaving no children the £100 shall be returned again to my family.
To my gt-grandchild Elizabeth Gunton, interest of £20 yearly until she is twenty one, then to receive the principle. (If Elizabeth dies her portion to go to her sister Susanna). Also to Elizabeth one gold ring.
To my gt-grandchild Susannah interest of £20 etc.. (If both die without heirs, to go to their mother Ann and if all die, to go to their nearest Talbot relations). Also to Susanna, one gold ring.
To Thomas my second best clothes and to William the next best cloaths. My shirts to be parted between Hardin William and Thomas only two shirts I give to my grandson Richard Gunton.
A suit of mourning to Hardin, William, Thomas, Ann and Richard Gunton.
The above Gunton/Gunter family helped me decide to marry Thomas to Elizabeth Smith. Elizabeth SMITH married Thomas TALBOT in Ryton-on-Dunsmore on 27th JUL 1784.
I think I remember confirming this is the same Thomas by finding Elizabeth's sister Catherine's marriage to CHAPLIN.
So I am fairly happy to match Thomas with Elizabeth and I think my problem with the trees in Ancestry and FamilySearch is that they have a different Thomas Talbot who also died c1818 married to Mary Saunders in 1774. This Thomas and Mary had a son Hardin b1774.
I just have to now untangle this second Thomas from the grandson of Hardin (c1710-1784) and find a place to put him. Unfortunately there is no contact information for his Ancestry members in whose trees he appears, for me to make contact with them.
So if anyone out there has Hardin Talbots or Ryton on Dunsmore Talbots, I would dearly love to contact them.
Cheers
Linda
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Hello Linda,
Probably many years after you posted your letter regarding the Talbots, I picked it up as I was also revising my FH. William, of Harding and Elizabeth (Coakley, I think) was possibly their only surviving child. I and 2 other FH-interested relatives have been looking for him for years. He appears to have 2 baptisms - possibly due to his mother dying when he was 4, sorrow of his father, a disagreement, who knows? the first was at RoD in1763, the second at Stretton in 1777 - with a note from the Churcwarden? saying he had been baptised at the age of 14 " next June 5th " - the date of his first.
I already knew of the inscription on his tombstone in Fillongley (with his wife, the former Mary Sammons, and the dates roughly fit (give or take 1/2 years.) I have noted the details of the Wills you've quoted, and intend to look at them, and shall probably go back to Warwick CRO this afternoon - I'm only 10 minutes away.
I'm meeting a 'cousin' next week, and have already sent her my news on William Torbut/ Talbot/ Torbett.
Pat Orme.
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Hi Pat,
I think I may have sorted out the Coakley conundrum after I posted. I now believe that Hardin Talbott b1708 died 1784, married twice. His first wife was Elizabeth Pearson, married 10 May 1734. Their son Hardin was baptised 10 Aug 1735.
I think this Elizabeth nee Pearson died in 1755 and was buried on 14th December.
Hardin (noted as Hardin senior) married again on 19 Nov 1756 to Elizabeth Coakely who was a widow from the parish of Franckton.
Hardin’s son Hardin married on 1st Oct 1756 to (another) Elizabeth Coakely who was a minor from the parish of Frankton. Her mother, Elizabeth Coakely, a widow, gave her consent
So I think father and son (both named Hardin) married mother and daughter (both named Elizabeth Coakely). This makes it a little difficult to be sure which Elizabeth wife of Hardin was the
Elizabeth wife of Hardin who was buried 14 January 1767 along with their daughter Sarah, but I did think this may be Hardin juniors wife, which as you say would make William 4 years old when she died.
The items marked " E C" in Hardin Talbott seniors will would be items left by his wife Elizabeth Coakley. In the list for Ann Gunton
"the tea tongs and six silver teaspoons marked with [E.C],"
Hardin Talbott (1735-1800)
Hardin and Elizabeth Coakely jnr had three children who survived infancy and were named in their grandfather’s Will:
Thomas bapt 28 Aug 1757 married 1784 Elizabeth Smith died 1817
Ann bapt 25 Feb 1759 married 1781 Richard Gunton
William bapt 5 Jun 1763 married Elizabeth Ladbrook died 1820
As you see from above though, I have William married to an Elizabeth Ladbrook not Mary Sammons.
So I will need to check my sources for that marriage.
I do not know the Fillongley tombstone and will have to look up where that is.
Cheers
Linda (NZ)
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I have now added Thomas Talbot and Mary Saunders to my Graham Family tree in Ancestry, though I do not know for sure where to place Thomas. I am LM Graham127 and my tree is public.
For now I have accepted that he was the son of John and Sarah, bapt 9 Mar 1755 in Kineton.
The Thomas Talbot will of 1818 could perhaps belong to this Thomas or as I mentioned before, the Thomas son of Hardin (jnr) and Elizabeth Coakley (jnr) . It does not appear from my previous post that I hired that particular Will in to view at the LDS back in the 1980s when I started this research. I would need to check my notebooks to be sure and I am currently away from home.
I did obviously hire in the Will of the Elizabeth Talbott who died 8 Oct 1830 and as she named William Gunton as a nephew, I think she was the wife of Thomas Talbott brother of Ann Gunton nee Talbott. This makes her Elizabeth Smith (I think from Wolston) and her sister Catherine married James Chaplin.
Linda (NZ)
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Hi Linda, I'm still pondering your info and trying to make it fit the facts I've verified with evidence from Warwick CRO. Your info. on there being 2 Elizabeth Coakleys is proving very useful. I thought it was virtually impossible for William to be the son of Harding Talbot senior, as he would have been 56. I'm sticking with William Talbot marrying Mary Sammons as their son, John (my g.g.grandfather) was baptized in 1795 - before the marriage of Elizabeth Ladbrook in 1802. I'll next try to untangle the Thomas Talbots. My g.g.mother was Mary Jane Torbitt 1851-1936. Keep in touch - we have info.to share. Pat Orme.
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Hi Pat,
I have found the marriage of William Talbott of the parish of Kenilworth to Mary Sammon at Weston under Wetherly on 13 Oct 1788.
I also found in one of my old notebooks the banns in Ryton on Dunsmore for the marriage of Richard Talbott and Mary Sammonds on 23 Jul 1769, which may be connected.
The marriage of William Talbott to Elizabeth Ladbrook took place in Ryton on Dunsmore on 7 Jun 1803. William Talbott who was buried on 11 Apr 1820 at Ryton on Dunsmore was aged 55,so I thought he was William son of Hardin and possibly husband of Elizabeth. It would help to see the actual tomsbtones or transcription or know where they are placed, but I am a little bit far away to do that.
One thing is sure, the two Williams, one at Fillongley and one at Ryton on Dunsmore, cannot be the same person.
Cheers
Linda (NZ).
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Just to clarify, the two William Talbott burials cannot be the same person.
I do not know if William Talbott son of Hardin could have moved to Kenilworth prior to 1788. Or how long he would have needed to live there before he would be noted as from the Parish of Kenilworth. I have not looked at Talbott families in Kenilworth.
Cheers
Linda
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Update.
After finding the Warwickshire Church records online, I was able to expand the list of the children Richard and Emlin Talbot. I found the 1708 baptism for the oldest son Hardin, and FamilySearch record the son I couldn't read in 1710 as another Richard. Only Elizabeth (noted as a minor at the time of her fathers death) remains in hiding. I think there was a baptism elsewhere that I thought might be her.
Hardin bap 17 May 1708
Son Richard 22 Aug 1710 (shown as Richard in FamilySearch)
Children Jospeh & Mary 19 March 1711
Mary 10 MAY 1713
Elizabeth
Richard " 5 SEP 1717
Thomas 10 JUL 1719 was buried on September 19th 1719
John " 10 JUL 1719 was buried 5 November 1719
Sarah " 10 DEC 1720
Joseph 28 FEB 1723 was buried 12 MAR 1723
John " 28 FEB 1723 was buried 10 MAR 1723
Thomas “ 29 MAR 1724
Ann " 29 MAR 1724 died before 1727
William " 8 JAN 1727 was buried in 1729.
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Hello again, Linda,
I now have time to reply in full - puppy of 4 months has been distracted, and Grandparent duties are over until tomorrow. I thought it would be useful for you to know what has led me through Fillongley and Weston on Wetherley.
My paternal grandfather was Frederick George Orme 1884-1950, born in Moira, Derbyshire ( died in
Nuneaton)
only child of Edmund John Orme 1854-1897 and Mary Jane Torbitt 1851-1936.
born in Harsthorne, Derbys. born Chilvers Coton, Nuneaton,
both died in Ch.Coton, and were Grocers.
I'll now concentrate on the Talbot/Torbitt/Torbet line.
Mary Jane was the daughter of John Torbitt 1825-1877, and Jane Taylor 1824 - 1904;
Both died at Ch.C, and were Butchers. He was born just outside Nuneaton at Stockingford, she was born in Ch.C.
John Torbitt, junior, was the son of John T. senior, also a Butcher, 1795-1895, born at Fillongley - not far from Nuneaton - and Catherine Bostock, 1796-1883; both were buried at Ch.C.
NOW : John T. senior was the son of William T. 1763/1777 at Ryton, a Miller then a Yeoman, who married Mary Sammon(s) at Weston under Wetherley, 13th October, 1788.
Now, The above William's baptism is on 5th June, 1763 at Ryton, and the second, at Stretton, has the explanation - I quote from the parish register - March 5th Willm. Son of Harding & Eliz. Talbot of Rieton at the Age of 14 5th June next.
Which ties the 2 baptisms neatly together; I am grateful for you telling me of the 2 Hardings marrying the 2 Elizabeth Coakleys, and think that the above William is the son of the 2 younger ones.
You asked about where Fillongley was, and the tombstone inscription - It's close to Nuneaton (where, incidentally, was where I was born) and states he was buried in 1837, and his wife, Mary, in 1854. I have photographs, and also a copy of an Obligation confirming that William WILL marry Mary Sammons with a Licence, guaranteed by Hanbury Newark, whoever he may be.
I know William Sammons was wealthy, and have a copy of the land he owned in Weston u W.
and in his long and complicated Will of 1809, he leaves money and William T. (and Mary Sammons, his wife) live in a Mill in Fillongley - no longer there.
Now we come to the more complicated early lines. I need a day, at least, to go over all our combined recent information, and will be meeting Jill Sparrow on Tuesday - her grandfather was my grandfather's executor and best friend. Her maiden name was Kelsey, and like me, she was a teacher.
I hope to hear from you soon, and will send you the combined thoughts of Jill and I.
If there's anything you would like checking in the Warwick County Record Office let me know.
Pat.
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Hi Pat,
I have found my list of Ryton on Dunsmore Wills that I intended to order from the LDS and the 1818 will of Thomas Talbot and though it does not have a tick beside it in 1993 , I did find it in my 1994 notebook.
That will, written 1805, and proven to Elizabeth on 3 Apr 1818, was for Thomas Talbott husband of Elizabeth so not the Thomas Talbott who married Mary Saunders. That Thomas (married Saunders) though did have a Hardin/Harding in his family which is why people have assumed he was the Thomas son of Hardin. As I mentioned before, it was Elizabeths will (wife of Thomas died 187/1818) that linked her to the Guntons.
Unfortunately for us our Thomas only names his wife Elizabeth, not his brother William or sister Ann, so does not confirm William's location in 1805. What you need is something that can positively identify William son of Hardin, as being in either Kenilworth or Fillongley. Are there Hardins in your William's family? I have found Fillongley on the map. Fillongley, Kenilworth and Weston u W do form a large triangle on the map.
I think the 1801 will for Hardin Talbott is the only one left that might be worth checking. I have a vague idea though that it was actually related to the 1784 will of Hardin senior. Found it! My notes say "vide will 8 Oct 1784. Looks like it was difficult to read on the microfilm but appears to be a sworn statement by Thomas Talbott and Richard Mills that they owe Richard Smallbroke 500 pounds. The date I have is 6 Feb 1801.
Cheers
Linda
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I just checked when Thomas Talbot died. Burial recorded as Thomas Talbut, on 3 Mar 1818 at Ryton (age 60). Wife Elizabeth (61) also recorded as Talbut, bur 20 Apr 1830. I have not found the original note I made of her will, only an extract. The date on that extract is 8 Oct 1830. Hopefully that is the date the will was proven otherwise she is not the Elizabeth who was buried in April 1830.
It would be good to know if there is anything relating to the William Talbot who married Elizabeth Ladbrook who may be the William who was buried 14 Apr 1820.
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Hello Linda,
It occurred to me that the William Talbot (a) whose dates and marriage you're verifying was of the same generation as my William Talbot's son, John (bapt. 1795) not 1763 of Hardin's son, my William (b)
The William born to Thomas and Mary was on 11th January, 1778; that is the William who married Elizabeth Ladbrook.
There is a marriage of a Thomas Talbot and Mary Coales in 1732 in Dunchurch. She appears to come from Thurlaston, and her father is possibly Joseph. The marriage may be a tad early, but they may have had a tribe of children. Thurlaston only built a church - it's just a hamlet really, and marriages took place in Dunchurch until 19th century, if I remember correctly.
It looks like we're connected until the Hardings. I'll look at Thomas and Mary marriages later, but I'm a Samaritan volunteer with a duty later tonight, so I shall stop now.
I hope this blathering is some use, and can get back into the WCRO later this week.
Best wishes, Pat,
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Hi Pat,
There are two ROD events for the William I mentioned. The one that puts him in the same age bracket as your William, is his death in 1820 aged 55.so born at 1765.
Whether he was the William who married Elizabeth Ladbrook, in 1803 ish is not certain. Now if they had only lived another 20 years!
The Hardin Talbot son of Thomas and Mary Saunders, appears to have worked a lock in Northampton shire. He was there in 1840 . Will need to look him up in my tree to see where. I think Thomas was Kniveton
Cheers
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Correction Harding son of Thomas and Mary was at Gt Berkhampstead Hertfordshire.
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Hello Linda,
Met with my 'cousin' Jill Sparrow for coffee this morning; she's still trying to absorb everything.
I'm looking forward to going into the WCRO at the end of the week with more specific events to check, and take photocopies. Need to absorb your latest info. this evening.
Have found Boovy - instead of Bovey (Emblin, who married Richard Torbett, 2nd June, 1706) at Alcester and Bidfordon Avon. Only the surname so far, but worth following up.
The older Elizabeth Coakley (widowed) was married to Henry Coakley, who died at Frankton, 30th October, 1743. He was the son, called Henrian, bapt. at Baginton to Thomas and Joicse (Joyce, I presume) on 18th March, 1699, Another query to follow up.
Hope you're well, and not getting too cross-eyed with all these e-mails crossing the world!
Having a tooth out tomorrow - failed crown, so if I don't feel too well afterwards, I shall be sticking to the computer, and trying a couple of the Sammons' Wills, I've re-discovered!
Pat.
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Hi Pat,
I sent you a personal message back when you only had 2 posts and couldn't use that function. Did you get it? Allows us to exchange email addresses and not use the open forum.
I was planning to send you a transcript of Hardin's very long 1884 will if you had responded via a personal message.
Cheers
Linda
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I have checked the list of trees in Ancestry that have William Talbott b 1778 son of Thomas Talbott and Mary Saunders and none of them have a spouse for William, so I do not know who he married.
Thomas was supposedly born in Kineton, son of John and Sarah but looking at a very extensive tree for John and Sarah of Kineton, there is no match to Thomas and Mary Saunders so I have my doubts.
I suspect the Thomas who married Mary Saunders belongs to the family one of the brothers of Hardin Talbot born 1708.
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Richard Talbot and Emlin Boudy or Bovey were married at Ryton on Dunsmore in 1706. 5th entry under the 1706 heading and just before one dated february. The date looks like January which actually makes in 1707 by Gregorian calendar reckoning but back then (pre 1752) the new year didn't start until around March. Julian Calendar.
The switch to the Gregorian calendar was a bit unpopular with many people, including I think some of the clergy, and you find that many of them didn't record all the baptisms etc in the 1750s. This is why it is not a good idea to assume that the ones that were recorded are the only options when looking for baptsims about that time. Seems like the cleric in Ryton on Dunsmore was very diligent about their records.
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Hello Linda,
I perhaps didn't make myself clear : I know where Richard Talbott and Emblin were married, and when - I understand the switch from Julian to Gregorian calendars - I want to find out about Emblin's family and when/where she was born.
WCRO is always closed for the first week of every month for what they call ' Collections' - I guess it's when they put on file whatever has been accessed.
Pat.
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Yes I did misunderstand as I thought you were referring to another marriage, Richard Torbett to ?Emlin Boovey in Alcester Jun 1706.
RE the gaps in baptisms etc I was mainly thinking of the trees that have for some reason taken Thomas of Ryton on Dunsmore and matched him up to a 1750 baptism in Kineton. That he called his firstborn son Hardin does put him into the Ryton on Dunsmore families.
Hardin seems to first appear with Emlins son Hardin born 1708.
I have a William Talbot born 1753, brother of Peggy, who is tentatively lined to the Leicesteshire family of Wiliam Talbott of Willoughby Waterlees. Again the name Hardin is the link, but as I mentioned, even with that link we cannot be sure he is the William born 1753 in Ryton on Dunsmore. By the time each sibling repeats the same names in their own families there could be more unseen clones around with the same name and same relatives.
Yes my head does get twisted by the possible permutations. I can't be sure I haven't made an incorrect assumption somewhere, such as that the Elizabeth Talbot who died 1830, was the wife of Hardin's grandson Thomas, and was Elizabeth Smith whose sister Catherine married Chaplin.
Or that Elizabeth's claiming probate on Thomas Talbott's will on 3 Apr 1818 supports that the Thomas Talbutt buried 3 mar 1818 was her husband, not the husband of Mary Saunders. I Judge that Thomas and Elizabeth did not have any family of their own but their marriage in 1784 was after the last of Thomas Talbot and Mary Saunder's children were born (Sarah born 1780). So it is possible that Elizabeth was Thomas's second wife provided Mary Saunders died between 1780 and 1784, and not in 1817 as in the other Ancestry trees.
Elizabeth Talbot who died 1830 certainly did not leave any money to her own children, nor any of her own relatives unless her nephew William Gunton was an actual blood nephew rather than her husband's nephew.
Cheers
Linda
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I am not sure how much text I can post so I will divide the Will of Hardin Talbot into two. Part one:
Will of Hardin TALBOTT of Stretton on Dunsmore
At Coventry, 8 OCT 1784 (see also 16 FEB 1801)
........ direct my body to be buried at Ryton on Dunsmore....
To my grandchild Thomas £340 of good and lawful English money or the interest for his life. The first interest to be paid to my aforesaid grandchild Thomas TALBOT at twelve months after my decease. I also empower my trustees and executors if they see it convenient to give him the principle to put him in a way of business.
Also two pair of sheets, a twofold bedstead with blue and white furniture and curtains and bufet in the Palor, a looking glass, six cane chairs, the best great table, the grate in the house & hearth grate and what belongs to them, the clock in the house and dresser and shelves, the stillards and the largest cleaver, the second best chest and large silver spoon, seven pewter dishes and a dozen plates, the book called "The Duty of Man", the old printed Bible, a bundle of linen left by his grandmother marked Thomas Talbot, a gun, a pair of the second best brass candlesticks, the largest pair of smoking irons.
Also I will that if my grandchild Thomas should dye without heirs his portion go to his nearest relations Hardin Talbot and William Talbot.
ITEM. I give to my grandchild William Talbot the interest of £340 for his life. The first interest to be paid to my aforesaid grandchild William Talbot at twelve months after my decease. I also empower my trustees and executors if they see it convenient to give him the principle to put him in a way of business.
Also two pair of sheets, my watch and he may give his brother Richard Gunton his watch, also I give a pair of silver buttons and a chest, the second best table, the square table, seven ash chairs, the grate in the Palor and what belonged to it, the jack and what belongs to it, a large silver spoon, seven pewter dishes, a dozen plates, the second best Bible, my Prayer Book, the brewing copper, a bundle of linen left by his grandmother marked William Talbot, the little gun, the hanging press, a one fold up bedstead a ..?... linen furniture, window curtains the same, a feather bed pillow and bolster, two blankets and a cover, the thirty hour clock, the worst pair of brass candlesticks, the bolt iron, the worst flat irons. Should he die without heirs (etc, ... equally divided between Hardin and Thomas).
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Part two:
Will of Hardin TALBOTT of Stretton on Dunsmore
At Coventry, 8 OCT 1784 (see also 16 FEB 1801)
ITEM. To my grandchild Ann GUNTON the interest of £100 to be paid for her life. Should she die leaving no children the £100 shall be returned again to my family.
Also two pair of sheets, all my wife's weaving apparel both linens and woollens of all sorts, one gold ring, her grandmother's snuff box and gold and silver bodkins, a chester drawer, the best chest, a long box, seven black chairs, the looking glass and sconces in the Palor, the tea table as goes with a spring, the card table, the tea chest and what belongs to it, the tea tongs and six silver teaspoons marked with [E.C], a tea kettle and all the Cheney, the buckles and buttons I wear, a pewter basin, a poset pot and stand marked with [E.J] a tobacco plate marked with [E.C], the mortar and pestle, the little cleaver and carving dish, the little fender, the little fire shovel and tongs and the little irons as belong to them. The clothe horse and night stool and the bed pan, a pair of flat irons, a lock iron and heaters, my Great Bible with the Apocrypha in it, the cupboard in the House, the warming pan, the best pair of brass candlesticks, a hanging candlestick, the tinder box, the ladle and pepper box, all brass, a barrel and pot and a frying pan.
To my gt-grandchild Elizabeth Gunton, interest of £20 yearly until she is twenty one, then to receive the principle. (If Elizabeth dies her portion to go to her sister Susanna). Also to Elizabeth one gold ring.
To my gt-grandchild Susannah interest of £20 etc.. (If both die without heirs, to go to their mother Ann and if all die, to go to their nearest Talbot relations). Also to Susanna, one gold ring.
To my maidservant Sibel Veasey £10. Also a flock bed and bedstead with bed furniture, three blankets, pillows and what belongs to it. Also mourning and every thing decent to wear with it.
To my son Hardin Talbot the interest of £340 (if he dies to go to his sons Thomas & William). Also a silver pint for his life (then to go to Thomas and if Thomas dies without heirs, to go to William)
To Thomas my second best clothes and to William the next best cloaths. My shirts to be parted between Hardin William and Thomas only two shirts I give to my grandson Richard Gunton.
A suit of mourning to Hardin, William, Thomas, Ann and Richard Gunton.
I also appoint William SMITH of the parish of Dunchurch, Warwickshire and Richard Matthias , Mason of Stretton on Dunsmore as trustees.
Signed 24 APR 1784.
Witnesses: James YOUNG, Samuel YOUNG, Thomas JENKINS
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I am researching the Talbot/Talbutt family of Lillington, Warwickshire and wondered whether my ancestor John could be the son of Thomas and Mary baptised in 1737.
John first appears in the Lillington records when his daughter Phebe was baptised in 1762. I have yet to find his marriage to his wife Dinah.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Nicky
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Hi Nicky,
I am sorry but I have absolutely no knowledge of John Talbott, son of Thomas and Mary, other than his baptism on 14 Aug 1737. Yes he could be your John but then he could also have died as an infant.
I have only been able to link the various Talbott families if they named a son Hardin, and that seems to only occur in the descendants of Thomas's presumed brother Richard who married Emlin Boovey, who Pat Orme has traced to an Elinor Bovey born Alcestor.
Cheers
Linda
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I now have DNA information relating to the Ryton on Dunsmore Talbot families so am reopening the previous discussions. But I will try to keep to one family at a time.
I have several linked DNA matches to the family of Thomas Talbot and Mary Saunders who married 11 Jul 1774.
Thomas apparently was born Kineton c 1750 (though I am not sure of the source for that).
I now have a family of four children born to this couple
1 Hardin Talbot born 4 Sep 1774 at Ryton on Dunsmore who married a Mary Nash at Tring, Hertfordshire in 1798. Six Children born Tring. Second marriage to Ann Moulder in North Church, Hertford in 1821 and another 6 children born North Church or near. Hardin was lock keeper there in 1841. Hardin though, who died 1852 is buried at Ryton on Dunsmore.
2 Richard Talbot born c1775 at Ryton died 1851 at Southam. No other information. However a DNA match linked to other matches is this family does have a Richard canal lock operator, deceased father of a William Talbot who married an Ann Phillips in 1873. So I would like to know more about Richard.
3 William Talbot born 1778 at Ryton . Even less information.
4 Sarah Talbot born about 1780 at Ryton, Married John Field at Ufton in 1802 and died at Ufton in 1847. This is the family of two DNA matches and possibly 2 or 3 others but without trees.
Though I intended to add this family to one of my ancestors, I still have not yet done so but from the DNA evidence they should be linked to one of my closer Hardin Talbots.
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One theory to explain the DNA matches in the family of Thomas Talbot and Mary Saunders is that the Hardin Talbot baptised 1750, brother of my 4x gt grandmother Peggie Talbot, may have been known by a second name and was in fact the Thomas Talbot born c1750 who married Mary Saunders in 1774.
This would explain the absence of records for Hardin b 1750, if you discount the burial of an infant Hardin Talbot in 1759.
Failing that, then I would expect Thomas to have been a nephew of my 5x gt grandfather Richard Talbot b 1717. In which case there appear to be only two options for the father of Thomas. One is the Hardin Talbot baptised 1708 or his brother Thomas baptised 1724. Thomas bapt 1724 was a twin and so more likely to have died as an infant but no definite record has been found for this Thomas after his baptism.
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I realise most of this conversation is several years old, but I just came across it while researching my family, and I believe I am also related to these Talbots.
I believe that Ann Talbot (bapt 25 Feb 1759) who married Richard Gunton in 1781 is my 5th Great Grandmother.
Anyway, I'm still researching all this, but its very interesting especially the 1784 will of Hardin Talbot.
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Hi Hedgey
It does not look as if I saw or replied to your message of 2024. I have not been looking actively at the Talbot family since 2023 but if you are still monitoring this site and have questions then I will do my best to answer them.
Cheers
Linda