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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Escoces on Thursday 27 June 13 17:33 BST (UK)
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My great great grandfather Munro Ross died to Bathgate in the September 23, 1845, was married to Jean Gillespie
My great-grandfather David lived in Chile and was in 1858 to visit his grave that I send to place a headstone.
That tombstone says Munro Ross and Jean Gillespie
I need to know if anyone in their paths seen this tomb in any cemetery located Bathgate and if I send a picture of it, I thank you from Chile
mail: email address removed in line with RootsChat policy.
Jaime Ross
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Hi Escoces,
Welcome to RootsChat, I hope your research is successful.
Munro Ross married Jean Gillespie on 30 November 1798 at Dalmeny,West Lothian,Scotland. This from the Latters Day Saints site, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY7R-X8Z (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY7R-X8Z)
Also David Ross birth to these parents, born 17 Feb 1801 at Dunfermline, Scotland.
click on https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY7N-NJ4 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY7N-NJ4)
Also a sister to David, Marion, born 7 Jun 1808 at Falkirk, Scotland.
click on https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT23-2YB (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT23-2YB)
Tom
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Thanks Tom, there is also a brother'David , James.
For me it is important to know where to find the grave.
I think it should be in Bathgate which was where David said goodbye when he came to Chile in 1820.
According to OPR Munro died on September 23, 1845 at age 92
Jean first apparently died October 23, 1837 in Scoonie, Fife.
But according to the story that I have Munro and Jean were buried together and were placed a headstone.
According to another story are buried in the cemetery of the Abbey of Dunfermline.
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Hi Escoces,
i have found older brother James on the LDS site, mothers surname had been spelt incorrectly.
James was born 9 Sep 1799 at Dunfermline,Fife, Scotland.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTFK-335 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTFK-335)
Tom
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Hi Tom, thanks for the data, I have in my records.
But the idea is to have a photograph of the grave in Bathgate, presumably should be.
Can you think of any ideas?
jaime
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Hi Escoces,
Not sure if it is Bathgate or Abbey in Dunfermline, according to your notes.
However, here is a topic on RootsChat that is for requesting West Lothian MI's,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101770.0.html ,
I would suggest posting a request on there.
Now that you have made 3 posts, you can use our Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging secure things like email addresses and phone numbers etc.
Tom
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Hi Tom. thanks for the reply
Bathgate is safer Dunfermline Abbey but do not rule.
My apologies for putting my mail but already erased.
I'll include my subject in West Lothian
As private mails are sent?
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Jaime,
Bathgate is near to where I live, I will try to help you there. The Bathgate Cemetery is
well looked after and a nice place to rest. It might take a few days, weather permitting (Rain)
If it happens to be Dunfermline Abbey I will not be able to help with that.
James.
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James, great.
For me it is very difficult to go since I live in Chile.
You are very kind in trying to verify if my book say is true
My great-grandfather David said goodbye to his father Munro in Bathgate when he travel to Chile in 1820. Munro died of 92 years in Bathgate in 1845
David years later I send has to make a tombstone and are buried together Munro Ross and Jean Gillespie.
Thanks
Jaime
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The Bennie Museum in Bathgate has lists of gravestone inscriptions in various cemeteries in Bathgate, and plans of the cemeteries to make it easier to find the graves.
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Thanks Forfarian, there will be some Bennie Museum mail to ask them about it?
Jaime
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The suggestion was really intended to help mosstrooper when he goes to Bathgate as promised, but here is the link..
http://benniemuseum.org.uk/contentw/
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Ok thanks anyway go mosstrooper to Bathgate with the help of the link
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Escoces, some Bathgate links on here, http://e-voice.org.uk/bathgate/
There is also the West Lothian Family History Society which might help.
Skoosh.
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I have had a look in Mitchell's "Monumental Inscriptions (pre 1855) in West Lothian" and can find no trace of the grave in either Kirkton or Jarvey Street churchyards in Bathgate. The first interments in Glasgow Road Cemetery look as they were in 1860, a bit after the the death of Munro. I also had a look at the West Lothian Family History Society's CD transcription of the burial registers for Bathagte Glasgow Road in case Jean died after 1860 and can find no trace.
Eric
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Not a common Bathgate name, there are about 30 Ross's in the Bathgate Mortality Records 1860-1925, about half are from mining families in Armadale.
With a name like Munro Ross I suspect an Easter Ross origin is likely.
Skoosh.
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I have a certificate that says that Munro died on September 23, 1845 in Bathgate, but does not indicate where he is buried.
According to my great-grandfather David I send to make a tombstone and are buried together.
Now his wife Jane died some years before the October 23, 1837 in Scoonie, Fife. Post also the certificate.
If not in Bathgate, could be in Scoonie?
I have removed attachments as RootsChat has long adopted the following approach with regard to the posting of certificates. It is acceptable to post small portions when asking for assistance with deciphering of handwriting, but not a complete certificate.
I understand that English is not your first language and will try and explain more fully by PM. "tidybooks"
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I think it is possible that the record of Jean's death could be under her maiden name Jean Gillespie, because married women in Scotland did not always take their husband's surname.
I found two records of the death and burial in Bathgate of Mary Cleland, who was married to John Jarvey. In the mortcloth records she was simply named as "Mary Cleland", but in the parish register she is recorded as "Mary Cleland, widow of John Jarvey".
Unless you have some reason to think that Munro Ross and Jean Gillespie had a connection with Scoonie, the Jean Ross who is buried there is unlikely to be yours.
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It's true what they say about Scoonie would have no relationship and it is highly unlikely that she is not the wife of Munro.
See what happens in Bathgate still insist if someone comes up with something more. The certificate shows that he died on that date and at that age and place and according to the book is that I have
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Escoces,
I had a walk around the Glasgow Road Cemetery today but did not find the names you are looking for, that does not mean they are not there, just I could not find them, and I'm sure there are internments before 1860. What I have to do now is go to the West Lothian Cemetery Dept where all the Cemetery Burial Books are kept, they can call up records for all the surrounding Burial Grounds. There are a lot of worn out stones and stones knocked over by the storms so I have now to look at the records.
I did find 2 Ross stones which may interest you.
James.
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mosstrooper, thanks for trying and searching in the Glasgow Road Cemetery, good pictures of the stones but unfortunately none of them is Munro Ross and Jean Gillespie nor the sons James and Marion Ross.
Hope Cemetery in West Lothian have better luck.
Maybe it's a small tumulus with a cross and the names of them.
They could be in any cemetery Bathagte or West Lothian
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Mosstrooper
I believe that the CDs produced by West Lothian Family History Society comprise the transcription of all the surviving registers held by West Lothian Council up until around 1975. The SAFHS Graveyard CD gives the date of opening of Glasgow Road Cemetery as 1859.
I thought the size of the graveyard at Jarvey Street was very small and the SAFHS CD confirms that many of the gravestones were moved or cleared when the church was rebuilt in 1884. I also suspect that many of the remaining graves may have been cleared for the building of the church hall. The hall is fairly modern (does not appear on the OS map published in 1949 and in appearance looks to date from the 60s) so there may be a record of any graves disturbed when it was built. The remaining graves are in the strip between Jarvey Street and the church hall.
Eric
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Slightly off topic, but apparently the first burial in Glasgow Road Cemetery (is that Paulville?) was a wee Alex. McDonald aged 6 months on 29th December 1860.
Have a look at page 20 here: http://memento-mori.co.uk/115.pdf
No Ross surnames listed on the index though.
Anne
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That confirms the CD as the only interment in 1860 was Archibald and is numbered 1. It is Paulville. Glasgow Road is divided into three - Paulville (the original), Johnston and Extension (current). Possibly SAFHS are quoting the date when construction started or when the decision was made to open the cemetery.
Eric