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Title: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: skjohnson on Thursday 27 June 13 06:48 BST (UK)
Hello,
I recieved some information on the family of Halstien Johannesen. Halstien was a seaman who left Norway for Australia prior to 1876. I have no knowlege of Norway and would appreciate any help on this family
Thank you

Johannes Andersen:
Born: 1811 Fosse, Alvaersund Parish , Hamre Vicarage,Hordaland Fylke
Married Martha Olsdatter
Died: 4th Febuary 1888, found dead in Forest

Marta Olsdatter:
Born: 1811Maeland
Married Johannes Andersen
Died: 25th May 1878
Buried 31st May1878

Children
Bergita Johannesdatter Haesdal
Born C.1841
Conf 12th July1857, Maeland
Married Ole Gullaksen on 23rd June 1891 in Meland Sokn (Ole’s 3rd Marriage)
Ole owned a farm and two servants

Andreas Olai Johannesen Haesdal
Born 10th July 1844 Maeland
Conf 23rd September 1859
Died 15th September 1889, Maeland
Buried 22nd September 1889

Halstein Johannesen Haesdal
Born 11th October 1846 Haesdal, Maeland , Hamre Vicarage, Hordaland Fylke .
Baptised 18th October 1846
Died Launceston, Australia June 1903

Jakob Johannnesen Haesdal
Born 24th September 1849, Maeland
Baptised at Home 24th September 1849
Died 1849

Jakobine Johannesdatter Haesdal
Born 21st January 1851 Maeland
Baptised at home 29th January 1851, Baptised at Church 9th Febuary1851
Conf 22nd October 1865

Synneve Martine Johannesdatter Haesdal
Born 28th June 1856, Maeland
Baptised at home 29th June 1856, Baptised at Church 20th July 1856
Conf. 22nd  October 1871
Married Nils Johnsen, Litleskare Laxevagg, a labourer born in 1857
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: kaysii on Thursday 27 June 13 19:20 BST (UK)
Norway has a wealth of records digitally available and free. Here is a link you may find useful.
http://arkivverket.no/eng/content/view/full/629 (http://arkivverket.no/eng/content/view/full/629)
There are census records. This is possibly Halstein in 1865
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f61247&gardpostnr=34&personpostnr=828&merk=828#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f61247&gardpostnr=34&personpostnr=828&merk=828#ovre)
Here are his parents and sibs
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=18&filnamn=f61254&gardpostnr=187&personpostnr=1093&merk=1093#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=18&filnamn=f61254&gardpostnr=187&personpostnr=1093&merk=1093#ovre)
and another sister Bergithe is possibly here
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=32&filnamn=f61254&gardpostnr=851&personpostnr=4999&merk=4999#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=32&filnamn=f61254&gardpostnr=851&personpostnr=4999&merk=4999#ovre)

Did you informant provide you with transcribed records or with copies of the parish registers.

You are lucky in that some of the records have been transcribed.
Johannes Andersen's parents can be found here in his baptism record
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=dp12541750&gardpostnr=5139&personpostnr=19100&merk=19100#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=dp12541750&gardpostnr=5139&personpostnr=19100&merk=19100#ovre)
Here is Marte's transcribed baptism record.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=26&filnamn=dp12541750&gardpostnr=5108&personpostnr=18947&merk=18947#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=26&filnamn=dp12541750&gardpostnr=5108&personpostnr=18947&merk=18947#ovre).

You should be able to find their sibs by placing the parents name in the search engine.

Here is the wedding of Johannes and Marthe in 1840
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=35&filnamn=vi12541816&gardpostnr=671&personpostnr=2188&merk=2188#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=35&filnamn=vi12541816&gardpostnr=671&personpostnr=2188&merk=2188#ovre).

Here is the transcribed wedding of Johanne's parents Anders Olsdatter and Syneve Johannisdtr in 1804. http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3853&merk=3853#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3853&merk=3853#ovre)

By having transcriptions it is easier to locate them in the parish registers. For example
no 24 here is the 1840 wedding mentioned above.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1908&idx_id=1908&uid=ny&idx_side=-206 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1908&idx_id=1908&uid=ny&idx_side=-206)

Here is Syneve in 1801, but unfortunately she is not with her parents.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=64&filnamn=f18011254&gardpostnr=144&personpostnr=2713&merk=2713#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=64&filnamn=f18011254&gardpostnr=144&personpostnr=2713&merk=2713#ovre). She is born c1777

If you look at the baptisms for Syneve with a father with forename Johanis, there are none in 1777, but there are 2 born in 1774. I believe this one is the most likely given the name of the farm namehttp://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=74&filnamn=dp12541750&gardpostnr=2049&personpostnr=6777&merk=6777#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=74&filnamn=dp12541750&gardpostnr=2049&personpostnr=6777&merk=6777#ovre)

I don't know how much you want to explore the records or if you need any further help. Kaysii
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: skjohnson on Friday 28 June 13 01:58 BST (UK)
Thank you Kaysii,
I did not expect so much information
The information that I had was from about 8 years ago. Most transcribed information.
Spending the day trying to work out the records from Norway.
When I started my research all that I knew that Halstein Johnson was born in Norway 11th October 1846. My concern is that on his Australian Marriage Cert it states his parents as Andrew Johnsen and Martha Nilson. Then last week I recieved a photo and on the back reads "Andrew, Halsteins brother" and apparently died in Australia?
Many Thanks
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: kaysii on Friday 28 June 13 23:53 BST (UK)
Hi,
Do you know the birthdate of your Halsten from records in Australia? If so, it is likely that the other records you received about Halsten Johannesen are true. To make sure that you are following the right family it would be helpful to confirm where you have the information of his birthdate. I have looked through the national census 1865 but can find no other likely candidates unless he had emigrated before then.

The name Anders or Andreas is likely to be anglicised to Andrew.  However the Andreas that was the brother of the Halsten in this family has died in 1889 in Norway.
Here he is in 1875 with his parents and his own family
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=f71254&gardpostnr=196&merk=196#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=f71254&gardpostnr=196&merk=196#ovre)

Here is his family in 1900
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=15&filnamn=f01257&gardpostnr=184&merk=184#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=15&filnamn=f01257&gardpostnr=184&merk=184#ovre) Andreas's son Johannes is running the farm and his mother is a widow. Here he is in 1910, but he doesn't appear to have any children.

I can't explain the marriage certificate. The only thing is that if Halsten has taken Johannesen as a surname, when he got married it might be difficult to explain that his father doesn't appear to have the same surname and so the Andreasen was given as a name and was written as a forename.
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: kaysii on Sunday 30 June 13 19:38 BST (UK)
My guess is that you have the right family as the name Halsten (or its variants) is relatively rare.
If you want to go further back with this family. It is quite easy. Here is Marta Bergesdatter marriage to Ole Johannisen 2 July 1810 http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3978&merk=3978#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3978&merk=3978#ovre)

Here she is with her family on the farm mentioned in the marriage record, not only with her father and mother but also her paternal grandfather and grandmother. From this you should be able to estimate the years of birth. Her father has been married once before in 1778
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3220&merk=3220#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3220&merk=3220#ovre) before being widowed and marrying Ingebor
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3342&merk=3342#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=HAMREVIG&gardpostnr=3342&merk=3342#ovre)

Here is the marriage of Brita Haaversdatter to Hans Olsen 1 Jan 1751
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=HAMREVIG (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=HAMREVIG)

Here is Syneve's family in 1801 and it looks like Ole Johannisen who marries Marte Bergersdatter is probably her brother
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: skjohnson on Tuesday 02 July 13 10:30 BST (UK)
Thank you again for the information. It is very interesting. I have always been sceptical about Andrew. Halstiens wife recorded his birth date as 11th October1846.
Thank you
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: skjohnson on Tuesday 22 October 13 09:12 BST (UK)
I have copies of postcards sent from Norway. It appears one is from Nils Johnsen and a daughter Inga, Can anyone translate to English. They are not the best copies
Thanks
Title: Re: Johannesen/Andersen, Maeland, Hamre Norway
Post by: janrm on Friday 25 October 13 16:05 BST (UK)
Quote from: skjohnson on Tuesday 22 October 13 09:12 BST (UK)
I have copies of postcards sent from Norway. It appears one is from Nils Johnsen and a daughter Inga, Can anyone translate to English. They are not the best copies
Thanks

If you put them on this page it is possible to have a look...

Jan in Norway