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Title: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Wednesday 26 June 13 22:36 BST (UK)
Hi does anyone have any information on Pearl Lavinia Carr I know her date of birth through the internet google search nov 2nd 1923 and where she was born in Exmouth Devon but Does anyone have any information on her sisters, parents and aunt and uncles. My late Nanna was related to her in some way and not sure exactly how. I think Pearls mum was some relative to my nannas mum. I think Pearls mum was called lily palmer and she was a dancer.I know some part of the family were in the acting industry or dancing industry any help would be grateful. I have come to a dead end trying to find out who pearls mums parents were.
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 June 13 22:59 BST (UK)
Too much of a coincidence given the registration district


Marriages March qtr1923 
Mary Palmer  to William G Bissett  St.Thomas  5b 82 
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Wednesday 26 June 13 23:08 BST (UK)
I thought her mothers name was Lilian or Lily I know there was a lily palmer from Newcastle as that's where they came from before moving down to  Devon before Pearl was born but I know she was in the industry of theatre etc. Will have to dig a bit deeper on the census of the palmers that I have got possible could be daughter of Edward palmer as a mary on there on 1911 census aged 20 and also a brother Ernest which I am sure may of been in the industry too.
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: suzard on Wednesday 26 June 13 23:12 BST (UK)
Was pearl's marriage to Edward V Johnson a 2nd marriage??

There is this marriage reg

Dec qtr 1944
Marylebone
1a 1039

Suz
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 June 13 23:13 BST (UK)
I had thought both were dead but whilst Googling them I came across a 2012 entry on another site that says they are both still alive.

Whilst their life history may be in the public domain - it is RC policy that the names and details of living persons should not be posted here.

My recommendation is a copy of her birth cert.  Can you print off the info I have posted as I will now have to remove it
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Wednesday 26 June 13 23:16 BST (UK)
Yes I will do that in a moment thanks
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Wednesday 26 June 13 23:19 BST (UK)
I'm not sure if he was her 2nd husband but I have some of the information that I needed you can now delete the posts

thanks
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: roseanglaise on Sunday 05 January 14 19:03 GMT (UK)
Hi ! Pearl Carr is my mother's cousin, My grandmother was Elizabeth Palmer, Pearl's mother's sister. Don't think Lily was her real name. Hope that helps, sorry I don't know Lily's parents names but could possibly find out. Who are you ? Maybe we are related !
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: jc26red on Sunday 05 January 14 20:32 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Roseanglaise,

If you make a couple more posts on this thread, you can then swap details by pm.

Geordie43, will hopefully recieve notification of your post  and any messages you may send her.

Jc
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Monday 06 January 14 16:53 GMT (UK)
Hi well my late Nanna was a relative but I don't know as to how. Was your grandmother married to Charles Palmer  in 1862 in Newcastle as this is the earliest Elizabeth Palmer we have. My Nannas mother was called Jane Lizzie Palmer born in 1877 in Sugley Northumberland she only had 2 Sisters that I know of from the census I have one called Annie and one called Josephina but think one died as a child. We could be related but this is a huge family. Any information you have would be helpful I have quite a bit but obviously cannot get the 1922 census with the fact I need for the majority of the family as no one left to ask now.
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Wednesday 30 July 14 23:07 BST (UK)
hi I am still awaiting for your reply regarding your connection with Pearl Carr as we possibly maybe related. I just need a bit of information. What was Pearls mum called do you know just to verify she is related. your inbox is full roseanglaise and I have been trying to get in touch since January
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: Craclyn on Wednesday 30 July 14 23:31 BST (UK)
I may be jumping to conclusions from the original poster's username here, but are you suggesting that Pearl has her roots on Tyneside? Curious because I have Carrs ancestors too.
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Thursday 31 July 14 08:12 BST (UK)
Hi my late nanna was from newcastle she told me that she was relsted to pearl in some way. I m sure pearls family moved to devon before pearl was born. My nanna said her mother was a palmer before marriage and so was pearls i think. Jane lizzie palmer my nannas mum was daughter of charlie palmer . If you can help in anyway that would be great my nanna was born with the young surname to william and jane lizzie young
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: geordie43 on Thursday 14 November 19 23:28 GMT (UK)
I’ve been searching for years trying to find information on an ancestor without any luck. I’m trying to find information on a lady Mary Palmer who I thought was called Lily she was a dancer born in Newcastle. I seen an old message on here from a lady roseanglaise but had no reply since January we could be related her grandmother was Elizabeth Palmer  but my great grandmother was also called this and it wasn’t her the person I'm looking for was called Mary Who married a man called William G Bissett. In Devon where she moved too. I’m trying to find out who Mary ‘s parents were and who her sister was. Im going around in circles as I have never come across a Mary Palmer in my Great Grandparent census. Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 14 November 19 23:39 GMT (UK)
The marriage registration is on freebmd

Marriages March qtr 1923  St.Thomas    5b   82

Bissett    William G   
Palmer    Mary   

Buy a copy of the marriage cert which will give you her age and fathers name and occupation

Look for them on the 1939 register which will give you her full birthdate. There are no births in Newcastle matching her 1896 birthyear

This is Williams birth reg

Births March qtr 1896   

Bissett William George  Torrington 5b   452                 

Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 14 November 19 23:40 GMT (UK)

Probably better to just construct a post with names/dates etc about the person you are looking for, including links to any records you have, census etc without speculating anything!


Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 14 November 19 23:44 GMT (UK)
Previous post here

Threads merged.
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 14 November 19 23:47 GMT (UK)


Probably relevant stuff there......


Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 14 November 19 23:55 GMT (UK)
The 1923 marriage info was given by me on that post 6 yrs ago  ::)

I will ask the moderator to merge the posts to avoid further duplication

Geordie - your best way forward is as I outlined above.  Buy a copy of the marriage cert as the info on the 1939 register does not support a birth in Newcastle See further info below

There were 3 births to the 1923 marriage between 1925-1935 which can be found on freebmd

William died 1946 Devon

Did Mary re- marry 1947 to  Frederick G Bartlett?  She died as Mary Ann D Bartlett in 1994 - same birthdate as the 1939 entry

Births September qtr 1896   
Palmer    Mary Ann D        St. Thomas    5b   36

So where did Newcastle come from?

Per GRO online she was Mary Ann Daisy Palmer mmn Blackler

There is an 1890 marriage on freebmd - Frank Palmer with a LILY Harriet M Blackler on the same page but there are other Palmer/Blackler marriages

Suggest you check the 1901 and 1911 censuses or buy a copy of her birth cert
Title: Re: Pearl Carr other half of Teddy Johnson/Palmer link to late grandmother.
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 15 November 19 11:58 GMT (UK)
There is a 1901 entry b Exmouth parents James & Annie and that entry is in the St Thomas RD

1878 marriage on freebmd James Palmer/Annie Blackler St Thomas RD