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Title: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Olleyke on Tuesday 25 June 13 15:54 BST (UK)
Hello.

While searching for the death of Thomas Jolley, I came across the burial record in Wigan via lan-opc.org.uk and it states that he was killed in 1843.

Just wondering if anyone has any information about this, how was he killed?

OlleyKe
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: miriamkinga on Tuesday 25 June 13 16:19 BST (UK)
Hi OlleyKe

I was thinking maybe he was a miner - there was a mining accident at Winstanley but not until November 1843  ???
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 25 June 13 20:56 BST (UK)
There were others buried and cause of death was  killed,over a few days,

William Braddock aged 11,

Joseph Brown aged 9,

John Spencer aged 57 years,

Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 25 June 13 21:14 BST (UK)
William is the son of John a labourer,in 1841 census Wigan,

Joseph is the son of James and Ellen,baptised Wigan All Saints 1834
father a spindle maker
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: JJen on Tuesday 25 June 13 21:27 BST (UK)
The Manchester Times and Gazette, Saturday, March 18, 1843

Wigan

Deaths - since our last, in Wigan, Thomas Jolley aged 26, John Spencer aged 57, Matthew Johnson aged 51, and Davis Simpkin aged 58.

Unfortunately no mention as to the circumstances of Thomas' death.

JJ
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 25 June 13 21:52 BST (UK)
Davis died of Asthma

burial as David



Matthew of the Folley died of burns
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Oura on Sunday 18 September 16 07:12 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am researching Mary Cunliffe who was married to Thomas Jolley for six months before he was killed in 1843. Their daughter Sarah was born after he died. My ancestor, Mary Jolley was born in Wigan in 1848, the illegitimate daughter of Mary Jolley, nee Cunliffe. William Jolley was recorded as her father in her Australian death certificate. I am assuming that my bloodline ancestor was either Thomas Jolley's brother William or his father, and I am leaning towards his father. Any information about the Jolley family around 1848 could be helpful and appreciated.

Oura
Australia   
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 18 September 16 17:46 BST (UK)
Took me an age to find it
possibly not him but here goes
Coal pit accident
On Tuesday morning Inst
as a man of the name Jolly was following his employment at the Platt Lane colliery
the roof fell upon him,by which he was so severely injured he died shortley after
Preston Chronicle March 11th 1843
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 18 September 16 19:53 BST (UK)
St Catherine Wigan
7th May 1843
Sarah Jolley
daughter of Thomas and Mary
abode Scholes
father a collier

is this the one
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Oura on Sunday 18 September 16 23:26 BST (UK)
Thank you. Yes, Sarah was the daughter of Thomas Jolley (mentioned in the Preston Chronicle) and Mary Cunliffe. Thomas and Mary grew up in Scholes, Mary on the north side of Hardybutts and Thomas in Scholefield Lane. Mary had two children by unknown fathers before she fell pregnant with Sarah and married Thomas Jolley. Her fourth child she called William Jolley, father unknown. Her fifth child, my Mary Jolley, was the illegitimate daughter of William Jolley (from death certificate). Thomas Jolley had a brother called William and his father was also William, who was the son of William Jolley and Ellen Williams of Scholes. Whilst its somewhat academic whether my ancestor was the brother or the father, I don't like leaving stones unturned. After Mary Cunliffe's father died Mary moved from Hardybutts to Scholefield Lane, lending weight to the possibility that she moved into her father-in-law's house. Mary was recorded as a 33 year old “pauper charwoman” in 1851 when she had another illegitimate child before taking up residence with a Lewis Rowe, and having more children with him. 
Thank you very much for your help. 
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 19 September 16 08:20 BST (UK)
Yet when 19 year old Mary Jolley marries
Matthew Hilton in 1867
she names Lewis Rowe as her father not William Jolley
Title: Re: Thomas Jolley, 1843, "Kill'd"
Post by: Oura on Monday 19 September 16 09:51 BST (UK)
It has been a confusing issue for our family. My grandparents had a photo of Mary Jolley taken in 1881 and on the back is a note that says "Mary Hilton (nee Rowe) born 1848 (wife of Matthew Hilton) arrived Sydney on sailing ship 'Hereford' in 1882". And yet her son named William Jolley as her father for her death certificate in 1926. I have had to unpick the relationships in Mary's life. Fortunately Mary and her mother can be traced through the censuses and church records, clearly showing when they started living with Lewis Rowe. I haven't found a marriage with Lewis Rowe, which may turn up in time, but one son was baptized Stephen Rowe Jolley. It is clear that Lewis Rowe was both a father to the youngest children and a de facto stepfather of the older children, including my Mary Jolley.