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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Tom Piper on Sunday 23 June 13 15:35 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have a record that shows that the above named person died on board "Ashmore", between Plymouth, Devon, England & Port Adelaide, on 5th July 1883. However, the South Australian Advertiser, from Trove, lists the arrivals from "Ashmore" on 1st September, 1883-
The South Australian Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1858 - 1889) Monday 3 September 1883
The following is a list of immigrants per Ashmore, which sailed from Plymouth on June 15, arrived at Port Adelaide on September 1: —
John Ward, carpenter, Caroline, and Harriet Ward:
Where would the newspaper have gained this information, & if incorrect, are there any other lists that are more accurate?
Tom
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the record, just misleading possibly.
As you say in your post. "following is a list of immigrants per Ashmore" This is the list when the ship DEPARTED.
Problem was that they just copied the list given to them. I does not take into account the deaths on board.
The Surgeons list would contain details of the deaths and sickness on board, if available. It may be available through the Adelaide Library.
But you say you have a list showing her death ??? "I have a record that shows that the above named person died on board "Ashmore", between Plymouth, Devon, England & Port Adelaide, on 5th July 1883."
This obviously is Accurate.
Neil
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This is a report of the voyage. It says there were 3 deaths, "being people who embarked in a delicate state of health" http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article33768962.
Overall it is saying what excellent conditions and how well the passengers were looked after.
cheers,
Ros
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Thanks everybody, so the newspaper received its evidence from the manifest, most likely telegraphed to them-I think the telegraph had been invented and was in use by 1883?
I didn't know that about the newspaper lists, so that's a fact learned "not a lot of people know that!"
Tom
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ASHMORE
Port of departure: Plymouth
Date of departure: 15 June 1883
Port of arrival: Adelaide
Date of arrival: 1 September 1883
Emigrants embarking: 374
Surgeon: WH Tindal King
Deaths on board: 3
WARD Caroline female, 34yrs, died 6 July 1883
Cause: Acute diarrhoea accelerated by phthisis and sea-sickness
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Merlin
Thanks, what a horrible death, sea-sickness is bad enough! Any chance of telling me the source for that information?
Tom
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Bound for South Australia : births and deaths on government-assisted immigrant ships 1848-1885.
http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/item/2481/
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Thank you
Tom
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Caroline's daughter Harriet Elizabeth Ward born 1878 in Middleton on the Wolds, East Riding of Yorkshire, England travelled with her father John, now a widower to Dimboola, Victoria, where John started farming. Harriet Elizabeth married a man called Mcloughlin/Mclaughlan, and had a son Frank. I think the marriage took place in Dimboola, not sure when, but when Harriet was relatively young. This man deserted her, and eventually she married a man called William Cox Vickery.
Can anyone help me find the marriages?
Tom
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There is a marriage for Harriet Elizabeth Ward (father John Ward) to Michael Joseph Oloughlin (with father Martin Oloughlin), 14 June 1899 at St Pauls Retreat Glen Osmond, SouthAustralia
Page 985 Vol 199
cheers,
Ros
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Probate notice in 1925 for William John Cox Vickery to Harriett Elizabeth Vickery of 23 Chelsea st, Middle Brighton
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2157325
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And there is a will on pro-vic http://prov.vic.gov.au/wills-and-probate for William J C Vickery, engineer of Kew, with date of death 30 sep 1925
(need patience for digital will to upload ;D)
regards,
Ros
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Probate notice for Harriett Elizabeth Vickery January 1939 to her son Francis Ward McLoughlin
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12083360
cheers,
Ros
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Second marriage was short :(
VICKERY Wm Jno Cox m. MCLAUGHLIN Harritt Elizth 1924 #14341
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Birth:
OLOUGHLIN Francis Ward b. 1900 DBOOLA #2684
Father: Michl Jos
Mother: Hart Elizth WARD
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Merlin & Ros,
You are working hard, that marriage in SA now looks a good bet. My information is that Michael Joseph O'loughlin/Mcloughlin, deserted his wife Harriet, and she was courted by William Vickery, who was a quiet, morose sort of man. They married after it was established that her first husband Michael had died/or a divorce had occurred, my informant is not sure which it was. Any chance of finding out?
Certainly the info stated that she wasn't long with William Vickery, and the evidence proves that!
Tom
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This is the newspaper article in Trove:
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 22 December 1938
VICKERY-On the 21st December at private hospital, Kew, Harriet Elizabeth widow
of the late William Vickery loving mother of Frank and Dorothy McLoughlin loved grand-
mother of Cynthia and Valerie
I have tried the will link for William Vickery, but some come up but not his for an online record.
Frank attended the Wesley College, where or what was that?
Tom
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Frank attended the Wesley College, where or what was that?
In Melbourne - the link will save my typing ;)
http://www.wesleycollege.net/About-Wesley/Our-history.aspx
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Very nice, looks like uncle John Ward paid for the education.
Tom
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You often find a divorce listing in the newspaper on TROVE.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
You can also access & download the Victorian Divorce Cause Books here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uvm/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uvn/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uvk/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uvl/
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Ros,
Witnesses to that marriage of Michel O'Loughlin & Harriet Elizasbeth Ward from another A******y tree "John Ward from Dimbolla, Victoria and John Gafteny, Glen Osmond, part of the city of Burnside in Adelaide, South Australia.
Tom
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Witnesses to that marriage of Michel O'Loughlin & Harriet Elizasbeth Ward from another A******y tree "Kohn Ward from Dimbolla, Victoria and John Gafteny, Glen Osmond, part of the city of Burnside in Adelaide, South Australia.
Marriage registration as per the SA index:
OLOUGHLIN Michael Joseph single, age 40yrs m. WARD Harriet Elizabeth single, age 21yrs 16/04/1899
St Pauls Retreat, Glen Osmond; Adelaide; Book/Page: 199/985
Groom's Father: Martin OLOUGHLIN
Bride's Father: John WARD
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Very nice, looks like uncle John Ward paid for the education.
Wesley have very good archives & are quite helpful if you require information. You can contact them here:
http://www.wesleycollege.net/Our-Community/Archives-and-Collections.aspx
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I found the Surgeon's diary hidden in the back of a museum.
It was written by Doctor Knight in 1882 onboard the Ashmore so I know what happened every day, what the sailors were like, the storms they faced.
I also have the crew list.
I have years of research on the ship including photos and my book ASHMORE is due to be released in August this year (2018).
Can anyone help me find the ship plans so I know how the cabins are situated?
Or where I could find the Captain or First Mates log books?
Exciting to find other people interested in the same ship.
Angela