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Hi all,
I am researching at the moment a Royal Navy and Royal Navy Reserve man K12927 William James Lightbody service and personal life. I have his medal roll inputs and also NA card for a start. He was born in Belfast, Co.Antrim 7 June 1893 and died Bangor, Co.Down 1963.
What I am actually most interested to find out is his family tree…. Can there be any connection with the Bangor man Gary Lightbody, who is the head singer of the British Rock band the Snow Patrol?
I presume their family name is not the most common one – Lightbody. Also they were both from Bangor. It is a wild guess but would be fascinating to find out.
Regards,
Noor
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1901 Ireland has this Family:
7 Larkfield Rd. Victoria Co. Down.
William John Lightbody/31/Heraldic engraver/Belfast
Ellen/28/Leicester
William/6/Befast
Nellie/2/do
& 1911:
54 White Rock Rd. Woodvale Co. Antrim
William John Lightbody/41/Silver engraver/Belfast
Ellen/39/Leicester
William James/16/Power loom mechanic/Belfast
Nellie/12/Belfast
Annie/9/do
Edith/4/do
Walter/2/do
Do these names ring any bells?
jim
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Oh, sorry, I should mention that I checked Irish Census as well.
William joined Royal Navy same year - 21 November 1911 and following summer he was on board HMS Highflyer in the Persian Gulf, catching gun smugglers.
Basically I know fair a pit his military side but almost nothing about his personal life.
Kind Regards,
Noor
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Hi all
William James Lightbody was my uncle. I am not sure whether he is directly related to Gary Lightbody but given the size of Bangor it may well be possible. William James was the son of William John who was born in Bangor on 4th July 1869. He moved to Belfast where he worked as a silver engraver and raised a family of five. William James was the eldest.
William James joined the Royal Navy in 1911 for a period of 12 years. In 1912 William John and Ellen Elizabeth died within a period on six months and are buried in Belfast City Cemetery plot HI88. The other children went to an orphanage along Ballysillan Road.
He served in the Royal Navy throughout the war including on HMS Aboukir which was later torpedoed with great loss of life (along with two other cruisers). He was commended for services after a fire incident in Bombay and also has C.M (which I take to be Court Marshall) on his record - it was not proved.
After his service in the Royal Navy the whole Lightbody family (except Nellie the eldest daughter who had died as far as I know) all went to Bangor to live. They were all together in Railwayview Street but separated as they all got married and William James married May and lived on the Bloomfield Road where he had raised four children. He worked in the Post Office.
As I child I remember him telling me of a ship he had seen torpedoed but I was too young to take it all in (it was one of the few times he talked to me in an adult fashion and the only time he talked about the war).
He was a very competent wood worker making furniture for his brothers and sisters. He also made model yachts too large for the usual sailing place for such models in Ward Park. He had to take them out to Bangor Bay and follow them in a rowing boat. One such escaped and sailed over to Scotland. It was returned to him as he had his name and address on a plate and he collected it in Donaghadee.
All the best
George
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Hi all
William James Lightbody was my uncle. I am not sure whether he is directly related to Gary Lightbody but given the size of Bangor it may well be possible. William James was the son of William John who was born in Bangor on 4th July 1869. He moved to Belfast where he worked as a silver engraver and raised a family of five. William James was the eldest.
William James joined the Royal Navy in 1911 for a period of 12 years. In 1912 William John and Ellen Elizabeth died within a period on six months and are buried in Belfast City Cemetery plot HI88. The other children went to an orphanage along Ballysillan Road.
He served in the Royal Navy throughout the war including on HMS Aboukir which was later torpedoed with great loss of life (along with two other cruisers). He was commended for services after a fire incident in Bombay and also has C.M (which I take to be Court Marshall) on his record - it was not proved.
After his service in the Royal Navy the whole Lightbody family (except Nellie the eldest daughter who had died as far as I know) all went to Bangor to live. They were all together in Railwayview Street but separated as they all got married and William James married May and lived on the Bloomfield Road where he had raised four children. He worked in the Post Office.
As I child I remember him telling me of a ship he had seen torpedoed but I was too young to take it all in (it was one of the few times he talked to me in an adult fashion and the only time he talked about the war).
He was a very competent wood worker making furniture for his brothers and sisters. He also made model yachts too large for the usual sailing place for such models in Ward Park. He had to take them out to Bangor Bay and follow them in a rowing boat. One such escaped and sailed over to Scotland. It was returned to him as he had his name and address on a plate and he collected it in Donaghadee.
All the best
George
Hi George,
I came across this article quite by chance.
I can only assume that having read it that you are my 2nd Cousin, George, and as boys we grew up together in Castle Square,Bangor?
I can't think there could be another George Gordon from Bangor with an Uncle named Lightbody, and I too remember your Uncle from when I was a boy!
Best Regards
Frank
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Hi George,
It appears that I can't send you a personal message as I am a new member?
I assume this leaves you in the same position, ironic isn't it as I appear to have found, by chance, a long lost relative, Ha Ha! ???
I will feel a bit of a fool if you are not my Cousin, George. :-[
Anyway George it looks like 3 posts are required before a personal message is allowed.
Hopefully this will count as my second. I do have a question however regarding the Lightbody's, Walter comes to mind from when I was a boy, was it Walter that I remember?
I remember going to a fantastic Halloween party with you and staying overnight, they lived out in the country, was that Bloomfield Rd, I always thought of it as a small farm?
I still remember it vividly though it was probably nearly 60 years ago.
Warmest Regards
Frank
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If you both add a reply to this thread ("OK" will do!), you will be able to use the PM system. ;)
Great to see long-lost cousins getting back in touch!
Rambler
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Hi Rambler,
Many thanks for your help.
I really hope George responds as I would love to get in touch with him, it must be 45 years or more since I last had any contact with him.
Nearly all my family in Bangor are now departed so I was beginning to see myself as the last man standing :(
Once again Rambler I appreciate your help,
Regards
Frank
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Frank
We are indeed old Castle Square men (I have many happy memories of the place now sadly gone). Walter (another son of William John) lived at Hayford at the Primacy and many times I walked out there from the Square (passing Uncle Bill's house on the Bloomfield road if not calling in).
I will gladly share any information I have about Uncle Bill. I may be wrong however about his father being born in Bangor as there may be two William John Lightbodys in the census. The only way to sort it out would be to go to Belfast and check the birth records. It still seems a coincidence to me that they all ended up in Bangor however.
I have Uncle Bill's war record and if you do not have it (I am sure you have) let me know.
His son Jim is living in England and could fill in a lot of detail for you and Joanie is still in Bangor.
All the best
George
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Hi George,
Good to hear from you after all these years!
It was indeed Walter that I remember, as soon as I saw " Hayford and the Primacy " in your latest post the pieces all fell into place!
It was only by chance that I came across this blog and seeing your name associated with Lightbody led me to join really in order to contact you.
Regards
Frank
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Frank
I tried to reply personally to your message but got an error message. It may be that I have to have so may posts so I am hoping this counts as the third and I will try again tomorrow.
All the best
George
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Hello.
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My name is Lightbody. My grandfather was John Lightbody who was born in Portovo. He was in the Royal Marines. He had 2 brothers William and James and three sisters Agnes, Jean and Laura. His father was Hugh Lightbody. I have often heard my grandmother saying we were related to half of Bangor. I know there were some relatives who lived in Castle Street, Market Square etc but I'm not sure if we are related to any of those mentioned here. Some of you may know my uncles and aunties. Archie, Jack, Hugh, Brian, Madge, Elsie and my mother Gladys.
Regards
Betty
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Betty
Although my mother was a Lightbody and lived in Castle Square in Bangor I do not think we are related. My mother came from Belfast and her father was William John and she had a brother William James. Confusingly there is a family in Bangor with a father William John and a son William James and they both appear in the 1901 and 1911 Census at the same time - so are different. When I first started to take an interest in the family I made the mistake of thinking the two families were the same (it is a rare co-incidence to have the names the same).
I have often wondered where my grandfather came from but I have have not managed to get a birth certificate as yet. All I am pretty certain about is that he was not born in Northern Ireland as there is no record in the GRO in Belfast - only the William John from Bangor.
I took a quick look at the Census for 1901 and 1911 and there are indeed plenty of Lightbodys in Bangor. If you have not looked they are online free from the National Archives in Ireland. Just google "census ireland 1901" and go to the nationalarchives website. You may find names that you know immediately. It took me a while to be sure about some of the relationships but if I can do any more to help let me know.
All the best
George
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I'm a bit confused reading this thread.
"William James was the son of William John who was born in Bangor on 4th July 1869. He moved to Belfast where he worked as a silver engraver..."
and
"I have often wondered where my grandfather came from but I have have not managed to get a birth certificate as yet. All I am pretty certain about is that he was not born in Northern Ireland as there is no record in the GRO in Belfast - only the William John from Bangor."
William John Lightbody born 4 July 1869- parents John Lightbody and Agnes McMillan-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPNX-M35
The 1901 and 1911 census both say that William John Lightbody was born in Belfast-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Larkfield_Road/1222261
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Woodvale/White_Rock_Road/183331
So, is the 4 July 1869 birth correct and both census mistaken or was William John born in Belfast (as per census) and the 1869 birth for the 'other' William John?
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This has been a source of confusion for me as well. I did believe originally that my grandfather William John Lightbody had been born in Bangor in 1869 and moved to Belfast where he died in 1912 (buried in Belfast City Cemetery). However after a trip up to the GRO in Belfast and a look at the Census (as you have pointed out) there are two Lightbody families in the census for 1901 and 1911 - one in Belfast and one in Bangor with a father William John and a son called William James. To add to the confusion my uncle William James and his brothers and sisters all moved to Bangor at some stage after their parents died.
Although the census states that my grandfather was born in Belfast I can only find one birth record for a William John during the right period. My grandfather was 41 when he died on 2nd October 1912 so he was born about 1871. The William John at the GRO was born on 4th July 1869 and the birth was registered in Newtownards so that is probably the one living in Bangor.
I verified his marriage at the GRO. He was married to Ellen Elizabeth Ward from Leicester at St Anne's in Belfast on 28th December 1891. His father was William, an engineer, and her father was Frank William Ward, a compositer (the Ward family all seem to have come from Leicester so he may have met Ellen there).
I have tried familysearch.org and they have his death right but only an estimate for his birth. So what I am looking for now is a William John Lighbody born about 1870 with a father called William.
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It could be that William John Lightbody's birth was registered as William or John, as 'male' without a name being chosen or even under a completely different 1st name(s).
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What was William John Lightbody's address when he married in 1891? What about names of both witnesses?
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The address he gave on the marriage certificate is hard to read but seems to be 43 Foyle Street (the same is given for Ellen Ward). I presume this only means that is where he was on the day he was married rather than where he actually lived. He was an engraver and I can find him in Belfast Street Directories and the Census Records at Tasmania Street, Larkfield Road, 10 Baden Powell Street, 11 Glencairn Street, 3 Greenmount Terrace (Ballymagarry) and finally 54 Whiterock Road. Greenmount Terrace is now gone unfortunately but 54 Whiterock Road (on the 1911 Census) is still there. I have a family photograph taken outside, and although the exterior has now been rendered the house is the same.
In 1892 an engraver named S Rainey lived at 43 Foyle Street so I presume he was a friend or work colleague.
The witnesses were William James Gray and Roseanna Lyons.
I understand that it might be hard to find the birth at the GRO because he is under John or William etc but the marriage, death and births of his four children are all under William John Lightbody. That was my first visit to GRO and I am still getting to grips with working through records and the pitfalls. I suppose another trip to GRO is necessary to be absolutely sure. There are not many variations on the name Lightbody but I have seen Leghbody
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I went back up to the GRO in Belfast this week and tried again, The advice not to be specific about William John was good. I knew he was 41 when he died in 1912 so he was born about 1870 and his marriage and the census give Belfast as his birthplace.
There is a birth for a John Lightbody in Belfast on 15th January 1870 at 47 Boundary Street. His parents were William Lightbody and Anna McConkey. They had been married on 19th May 1864 at Christ Church of Ireland.
I think when searching at GRO you need to have broad net. Searching for a William will not reveal a Willie unless you use the % wildcard. Ellen can become Nellie etc. I still have a lot to learn but it is is becoming very enjoyable (if frustrating at times).
William John had five children when he died. Four of them I know a lot about. They all ended up in Bangor where I was born. The other (Nellie) I only know from a birth record and a few photographs. I never heard her mentioned in the family and wonder what happened to her. She was 14 when she lost both her parents within six months.
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The 1870 birth matches with an extracted birth record for John Starrette Lightbody-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5D3-KMX
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Many thanks. I think the Starrette with the name put me off as William John Lightbody never used that name. I suppose you are under no obligation to use forenames given by your parents.
That is the right birth however. I knew William John and Ellen were buried in Belfast City Cemetery as Belfast City Council has a searchable website. However I had not realised that if you know the plot number you can list all the burials.
There are four burials there. Margaret McConkey on 12th January 1909, William John and Ellen Elizabeth Lightbody in 1912 and Ellen Lightbody on 31st January 1922. Margaret McConkey died at 11 Glencairn Street where William was living so she must have been related to his mother Anna.
It also solved the puzzle of my aunt Nellie. She died at the Abbey, Whiteabbey. The Abbey had been a tuberculosis hydrotherapy centre since 1897 and was to become Whiteabbey Hospital in the 1930's. She would only have been about 24 years old.
Again many thanks for your help.
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Wow - this is all great information.
I am a Lightbody descendant and have a lot to say about what has been written here.
I hope you are still minding this topic.
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One thing is;
EVERYBODY seems to claim that William John Lightbody born July 4th 1869 to John Lightbody and Agnes McMillan as there ancestor. I do wonder where that William John Lightbody ended up.
I know some of my relatives think he is our ancestor, but I am skeptical. But it is possible.
My gr-gr-grandfather is the William John Lightbody on the 1911 Census at 96.1 Castle St Bangor.
By 1922, some listed on the 1911 Census had moved to Canada and some had died and I believe the remainder moved to Armagh. William John and his wife moved to Canada in 1923 where they died in the 1940s.
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Also I think the Francis Lightbody on Castle St on the 1901 Census is related to my family, possibly he is the father of my gr-gr-grandfather, William John Lightbody.
And I think the McDaid or McDade family on Castle St on the 1901 Census is also related by the mother being nee Lightbody and that one of the McDade daughters seems to have emmigrated to Canada with 2 of the girls from the Lightbody family from 96.1 Castle St on the 1911 Census.
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And, thanks for the link for looking up Belfast burials. That is a great tool.
Have you searched the Ulster Petition on the PRONI website?
I found my ancestors still living on Castle St, but at different house numbers.
And, I got to see their signatures, which is cool !
Do you know anything about the Savage Family on Castle St in 1901 and then Castle Square in 1911? Were the Savage family still around when you were growing up there?
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Hi,
Hopefully George will respond to your message, I am sure that he will.
I can tell you however that my Grandmother, through her second marriage , married into the Savage family.
My Grandmother's Sister Isa also married and became part of the Savage family. They lived in Castle Street, Bangor for many years and I have many fond memories and some photographs of them.
I spent a lot of time as a boy at " Aunt Isa's " house and Eric, her Son, was someone that I remained in contact with until his death.
In Castle Square where I also grew up there was indeed other members of the Savage family, one of my boyhood pals was Maurice Savage, I understand he still lives in Bangor.
I have tried in the last few months to contact Maurice but so far no response.
My Brother died last year in Bangor and I have come into many photographs. One is very interesting as it shows Edith Lightbody and some of my family members in the photograph.
I can only assume this to be George's Mother but I have not quite clarified this yet!
I am currently trying to sort these out, no easy matter when they go back such a long time.
If, and when I get round to completing this I would be more than happy to share what I have with you.
Regards
Frank
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Greetings Frank,
Thanks so much for the response! And thank you for the offer
of sharing what you have, that is great.I would love to see
photos and stuff one day. I'd especially like to see Bangor and
Castle Square area and what the people look like.
May I ask your grandmother's names
and her sister's names and whom they married from the Savage
family, and roughly when they married? I am wondering about
the Savage family that lives at "house 62 in Castle Square" on
the 1911 Census. The parents are David (52yrs) and Mary (41)
with daughters Maggie (22) and Sarah(17) and sons Andrew (20),
David (13) and Alexander (4). I have found very sparse
information on them doing searches online over the years. I
wonder if your grandmother and aunt married into that Savage
family. I think that I saw that, that Alexander Savage may
have died around 1930 and that, that Andrew Savage was in the
Machine Gun Corps in WW1.
Frank, I see that you and George are cousins; are you a
descendant of a Lightbody too?
And, I guess from reading this, that Edith Lightbody is his
mother. I do see, her family on the 1911 Census.
I will map out the information that George has posted and if
you see this George, when I am going through my files, I will
see what I find for your Grandparents and before. I think I
could have something. I have a lot of Lightbody files. There
has been a lot of using the process of elimination to
determine my ancestral links. And, right now, anthing backward
or as siblings to my gr-gr-grandparents are guesses.
This is the Lightbody family on the 1911 Census at 96.1 Castle St. that I am a descendant from.
Lightbody William John 42
Lightbody Jane 40
Lightbody Jeannie 20
Lightbody Mary 18
Lightbody Annie 22
Lightbody Nellie 15
Lightbody Sadie 13
Lightbody Susan 12
Schofield Tom 24
Moore John 16
Lightbody William James 11
Lightbody William John 9
Lightbody Herbert 7
Lightbody James 4
Schofield Albert 2
I am posting this now and am still trying to write more ....
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On the 1911 Census:
Jane Lightbody 40 - her maiden name was Moore,
also known as Jennie.
I am not sure who any of her Moore relatives are.
Well except her nephew John Moore on this census (but I don't know anything about him aside from this Census)
and her neice Mary Moore (listed as Mary Lightbody in 1911)
I don't know anything about James or Susan or William James.
Well, thanks to this post, I know he is not and did not do the things or live in the places the William James that you have described.
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To George Gordon,
You had mentioned the marriage below. Did you get all of this info too, the ages and fathers' names. If not, here it is.
Name: William Lightbody
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1836
Marriage Date: 19 May 1864
Marriage Place: Shankill, Ant, Ireland
Father: William Lightbody
Spouse: Anna Mcconkey
Name: Anna Mcconkey
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1838
Marriage Date: 19 May 1864
Marriage Place: Shankill, Ant, Ireland
Father: Robert Mcconkey
Spouse: William Lightbody
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Greetings Frank,
Thanks so much for the response! And thank you for the offer
of sharing what you have, that is great.I would love to see
photos and stuff one day. I'd especially like to see Bangor and
Castle Square area and what the people look like.
May I ask your grandmother's names
and her sister's names and whom they married from the Savage
family, and roughly when they married? I am wondering about
the Savage family that lives at "house 62 in Castle Square" on
the 1911 Census. The parents are David (52yrs) and Mary (41)
with daughters Maggie (22) and Sarah(17) and sons Andrew (20),
David (13) and Alexander (4). I have found very sparse
information on them doing searches online over the years. I
wonder if your grandmother and aunt married into that Savage
family. I think that I saw that, that Alexander Savage may
have died around 1930 and that, that Andrew Savage was in the
Machine Gun Corps in WW1.
Frank, I see that you and George are cousins; are you a
descendant of a Lightbody too?
And, I guess from reading this, that Edith Lightbody is his
mother. I do see, her family on the 1911 Census.
I will map out the information that George has posted and if
you see this George, when I am going through my files, I will
see what I find for your Grandparents and before. I think I
could have something. I have a lot of Lightbody files. There
has been a lot of using the process of elimination to
determine my ancestral links. And, right now, anthing backward
or as siblings to my gr-gr-grandparents are guesses.
This is the Lightbody family on the 1911 Census at 96.1 Castle St. that I am a descendant from.
Lightbody William John 42
Lightbody Jane 40
Lightbody Jeannie 20
Lightbody Mary 18
Lightbody Annie 22
Lightbody Nellie 15
Lightbody Sadie 13
Lightbody Susan 12
Schofield Tom 24
Moore John 16
Lightbody William James 11
Lightbody William John 9
Lightbody Herbert 7
Lightbody James 4
Schofield Albert 2
I am posting this now and am still trying to write more ....
Hi
George and I are related from his Father's side of the family, his Mother was a Lightbody!
George's Father was my Grandmothers Brother, they were Gordons.
My Grandmother, Ethel, on her second marriage, married into the Savage family.
I will verify when she married I think I have this amongst the photographs and old certificates that I found when my Brother died last year.
My Grandmothers husband was Alex Savage. My Grandmothers Sister ( Isa ) married David Savage, ( Isa and David ) lived in Castle Street, number 56 I think, something like that!
I need to clarify the Gordon - Savage links yet, it's slightly confusing as there were many of them in Bangor!
The Savage family that lived in Castle Square when I was a boy, late 1940's onwards lived about 4 or 5 houses along from me ( terraced houses ).
The Father's name ( if memory serves ), was again Alex so this is slightly confusing.
I was a friend of Maurice Savage, he was probably born about 1951, 1952, he had a Sister Mabel that I remember also.
I will have a good trawl through what I have now got and see if I can piece some of this together re: Savage.
Hopefully you and George can continue with the Lightbody side of his family.
Meanwhile you might find this link useful, it shows a little bit of my childhood memories, turn on your speakers to fully enjoy it :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5siE0f1Ef5E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5siE0f1Ef5E)
Regards
Frank
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Many thanks for the information about the marriage. Although the Lightbody family in Bangor and my mothers family from Belfast are different I did at one time think they were connected - mainly because there is a father William John and a son William James in both. It took me a long time to realize they were different.
I am sure my grandfather and your ancestor William John must have known each other. In the 1901 Census John Gordon lived at 26 Castle Street and by 1911 he was in 64 (shortly afterwards he moved round the corner to Castle Square where Frank and I were born). All those houses on the right in Castle Street and all of the Square are now gone.
There were also a Nellie (Ellen) Lightbody in both families. Whilst trying to find out what had happened to my Aunt Nellie (she died in Belfast) I came across the marriage of a Nellie Lighbody and an Andrew Savage. They were married on 16th September 1915 at Bangor Abbey Church. There is a birth of a William Andrew Savage for 26th September 1917 and a death for the mother the next day aged 21.
If I can be of any help in let me know. Ross Davies has a County Down website with a lot of information searchable by surname. I think the name is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies Or just Google ros davies.
All the best
George Gordon
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I meant to add that if William John Lightbody is the son of John Lightbody and Anne McMillan you can check Griffith Valuation online for John. Type Griffith Valuation into Google and take the option with askaboutireland. The whole valuation for Ireland is there and Down was covered in the early 1860's. You need to put in the name Lightbody with a first name John. Choose County Down and the Parish of Bangor (do not worry about Barony).
You will find there was a John Lighbody living in Fisher's Hill in Bangor. I have no way of being certain that is William John's father but it seems likely. You can also look link this to the original Ordnance Survey used in the survey, although I find it a bit frustrating at times as it seems not always to take you to the right place.
If it does not you have to do it manually. Bangor is on the south side of Belfast Lough to the east of Belfast, and Fisher's Hill runs up from the harbour parallel to Ballymagee Street. You can also find Castle Street at the top of Main Street and the open ground between there and Upper Main Street became Castle Square (there were no houses then).
All the best again
George Gordon
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Thank you for all of the information Frank and George.
There is so much written on this board, I am trying to keep track of it.
I appreciate anything you write. I am trying to process it and write more reponses.
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The following information could be about the David Savage who married Isa.
I have a Canada Arrivals document dated April 1923
listing David Savage 25 years old
born, Bangor Co. Down
intends to stay in Canada
to Winnipeg for Harvesting work
nearest relative in Ireland - wife, Mrs Savage at 30 Castle Sq. Bangor
then there is a UK Incoming Passengers List for
Decemeber 17th 1923
listing
David Savage - 25 years old, labourer - Castle Sq. Bangor Co. Down
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To George,
That is the Andrew Savage I am looking for information on nad/or if he had any other children with a new wife (or if he died in the War?). Particularly after
the birth of their son in 1917. Or if their is a grave plot for Nellie (nee Lightbody) Savage.
I know about the 1915 Marriage and then Nellie's death. Did you save a copy of the certificate? I don't have a copy. I do have a certified copy of the birth of their son though. I think i have a certified copy of her death certificate as well. I will have to look.
I believe the Andrew Savage who marries in 1920 to I think Jane McKinney may be the same person. It would be nice to see that registration and who his parents are listed as.
When searching, the Index record lists the names (who can be witnesses or other marriages):
(Apr-May-Jun- 1920) Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index,1845-1958
(Newtownards)
James Walker
Sarah Jane Barr
Walter Erskine Scott
Isobel Keenan McDowell
Samuel Speers Telford
Ethel Morrow
Andrew Savage
Jane McKinney
And thank you for the County Down website link. I have been all over that website before. It is a great resource. I am very thankful that it exists.
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Also, thanks for the reference to the Griffith Valuation.
I may have searched it before, but I can take another look at what I find.
I don't think John Lightbody and Nancy/Agnes McMillen are the parents of my William
John Lightbody. Furthermore, I think that perhaps their William John Lightbody born July 4th 1869 is the William Lightbody age 0, who's death is registered in Belfast 1869.
To help determine the parents of my gr-gr-grandfather William John Lightbody, I need to see a marriage certificate to Jane Moore listing the parents of the spouses.
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Frank,
Thanks for the family tree information.
I do see Ethel and Isa's family on the census. So I can see who their family was
before they were married.
I am wondering who Ethel's 1st marriage was to.
Also, I was wondering the parents names of Alex and David Savage (the spouses of
Ethel and Isa)
That should tell us if both or one of them are the brothers of Andrew Savage (born
1891) also of Castle St and Castle Square on the 1901 and 1911 Census'.
Oh, and I do see how many Savages there are. Also, I was surprised how many
Vincents there are. Its a lot of untangling.
I see a lot of David Savages in the area.
One married to Robine McVeigh - one married to a Hannah... that come to mind.
Thanks for the link to the Video. That is excellent. I love that sort of thing and
especially when I have a link to that place.
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When searching, the Index record lists the names (who can be witnesses or other marriages):
(Apr-May-Jun- 1920) Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index,1845-1958
(Newtownards)
The witnesses are NOT mentioned in the civil registration index for marriages. What you are seeing is all the brides and grooms who appear on the same page- in this case 4 couples (names below are not matched up for bride and groom)
James Walker Sarah Jane Barr
Walter Erskine Scott Ethel Morrow
Samuel Speers Telford Isobel Keenan McDowell
Andrew Savage Jane McKinney
Not sure why this topic is still on Beginners and not Down board :-\
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Frank,
Thanks for the family tree information.
I do see Ethel and Isa's family on the census. So I can see who their family was
before they were married.
I am wondering who Ethel's 1st marriage was to.
Also, I was wondering the parents names of Alex and David Savage (the spouses of
Ethel and Isa)
That should tell us if both or one of them are the brothers of Andrew Savage (born
1891) also of Castle St and Castle Square on the 1901 and 1911 Census'.
Oh, and I do see how many Savages there are. Also, I was surprised how many
Vincents there are. Its a lot of untangling.
I see a lot of David Savages in the area.
One married to Robine McVeigh - one married to a Hannah... that come to mind.
Thanks for the link to the Video. That is excellent. I love that sort of thing and
especially when I have a link to that place.
Hi,
My Grandmother, Ethel Gordon, married Robert Alexander Graham on 17/3/1922 in Pittsburgh,P.A. USA
Fortunately I have the original wedding certificate.Robert appeared to have died in 1932 in Pittsburg.
My Mother was born in the USA and Ethel returned to Ireland with my Mother.
Ethel later married Alexander Savage but seperated, I don't believe they divorced and I do remember when he died, my Grandmother Ethel was still alive at this time.
I believe I know about Ethel's second husband and who his parents were, I will supply this information later.
I believe I know when Isa married David Savage also.
My Mother's marriage was in 1943, but my Father, Francis Vincent was from Scotland, I had close ties with the Vincent family when growing up and often visited them and they came to us in Bangor.
Anyway I will clarify the Savage links over the next few days.
I do have a very interesting photograph from 1911 ( school photograph ), I have sent this to George. It shows four of the Gordon's ( my Grandmother included ) and an E Lightbody?
An old bangorian had supplied the names to the local newspaper back in 1975.
The E Lightbody ( young lady ) is puzzling both George and myself.
Frank
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It would be much easier to read your posts if you didn't quote an entire previous post (if you do need to quote something posted earlier then you can include just the relevent bit).
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To : - thegabriel
Hi, I had a quick look through the old photographs I have of family members.
Much of what I have is written by my late Brother, so this information my be inaccurate.
Savages : - I don't have the year of Isa's, ( nee Gordon ) marriage to David Savage but Isa was born in 1901 and died in 1981. It says David died in 1957, I do remember the funeral so that sounds correct. David was 59 years old according to what I have, their address was 88 Castle Street, Bangor.
Ethel Gordon ( my Grandmother ) - Graham - Savage ( second marriage )
I don't know when she married Alex Savage but I believe I know his side of the family.
I met Ethel's second husband as a young child in the 1950's.
I believe he was the Son of James H Savage a well known building contractor in Bangor.
The older Son died in action in 1917.
I have a book which shows me the family home and Ethel's second husband as a boy and my Grandmother did take me there, to the house, once or twice so I am assuming I have this right.
All a bit vague I know but hopefully you experts can now piece it together?
I know you have links to the Lightbody's but may I ask your links to the Savage's?
Who knows we may end up related in some distant way!
I do have some very old photographs, early 1900's so if there does turn out to be a link I will be happy to scan and send these to you as I have been doing for George ( my Cousin ).
Perhaps you could provide your email address ( through PM ) if you require these
as it's easier to just scan and add as attachments?
I hope I have given you some more pieces of the puzzle,
Regards
Frank
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Thanks for the response Frank.
I am gonna PM you.
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To :- theGabriel
George Gordon
Hi,
Thank you for your PM (theGabriel).
As requested I have sent the photograph taken in 1911, ( school photograph) to your personal email address.
George has already received this photograph from me earlier, he has discounted the photograph as being of his Mother as a young lady.
As already mentioned, five of the Gordon's as children are shown on this photograph, my Grandmother included, I have given their ages on my email to you.
The young lady E Lightbody has therefore not been identified as yet.
As the thread started with the Lightbody's we appear to have come round full circle.
The question for George and you, theGabriel, I suppose, is if this E Lightbody is any relation to either of you?
I think I have clarified my family relationships to the Savages and you would have enough information to verify any relationship on that side.
I wish you, theGabriel and George success in exploring the Lightbody's further
Regards
Frank
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Just a few points on the Savage family-
David Savage (c1859), son of Andrew, m.1887 Mary Alexander (c1870)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Castle_Street/1252567
1910- http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Bangor-5.php
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Castle_Square/261351
1. Maggie Savage (c1888)
2. Andrew Savage (c1891)
3. Sarah Savage (c1894)
4. David Savage (c1898)
5. Alexander Savage (c1907)
Andrew Savage
"Andrew Savage was in the Machine Gun Corps in WW1.There were also a Nellie (Ellen) Lightbody in both families. Whilst trying to find out what had happened to my Aunt Nellie (she died in Belfast) I came across the marriage of a Nellie Lighbody and an Andrew Savage. They were married on 16th September 1915 at Bangor Abbey Church. There is a birth of a William Andrew Savage for 26th September 1917 and a death for the mother the next day aged 21."
Roll of Honour, Trinty Presbyterian Church- Andrew Savage, 16 Castle Square, Private R.I.R
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohbangortrinity.html
David Savage
Roll of Honour, Trinty Presbyterian Church- David Savage, 16 Castle Square, Private King's Liverpool Regt.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohbangortrinity.html
David Savage m.(1920 Newtownards registration district) Isabella Gordon
"I have a Canada Arrivals document dated April 1923 listing David Savage 25 years old born, Bangor Co. Down intends to stay in Canada to Winnipeg for Harvesting work nearest relative in Ireland - wife, Mrs Savage at 30 Castle Sq. Bangor
then there is a UK Incoming Passengers List for Decemeber 17th 1923
listing David Savage - 25 years old, labourer - Castle Sq. Bangor Co. Down"
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James Hamilton Savage (c1868 Bangor-1937), builder & contractor, son of Alexander, m.(1890) Mary Graham (c1866 Bangor)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Ballyholme_Road/1252315
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Ballyholme_Rd/261587
Book inscriptions- http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/LostinBOOKS1.htm
"1867-1937; of Mount Herald, 1 Ballyholme Rd, Bangor; a building contractor, councillor, magistrate , philanthropist & sportsman ; of Mount Herald, Ballymagee Street in 1901 ; councillor for Clifton Ward & member of Joint Burial Board in 1910"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/S/SavageAJ.htm
"Savage James Hamilton of Mount Herald 1 Ballyholme Road Bangor county Down J.P. died 27 November 1937 Probate Belfast 19 January to Betty Savage and Jane Savage spinsters and Terence B. Graham assistant town clerk. Effects £6255 16s. 9d." www.proni.gov.uk
1. Alexander Savage (1891 Bangor)
2. Lizzie/Betty Savage (c1893 Bangor)
“The Savage cup was presented to Ballyholme Yacht Club on 12th November 1968 by Miss Betty Savage as a perpetual challenge trophy in memory of her father, the late James Hamilton Savage J. P.” http://www.waverleyclass.com/trophies.htm
3. John Graham Savage (c1894 Bangor-1917)
Grave- http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=1044913
Bangor War Memorial- http://www.ulsterwarmemorials.net/html/bangor__county_down.html
4. Jane Savage (c1897 Bangor)
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Hi aghadowey,
Wow! this is all fantastic stuff, very interesting to me.
I remember " Mount Herald " as a boy, my Grandmother took me there a few times.
My Grandmother's second marriage to Alex did not work out and she seperated from him.
I did meet him a few times as a boy and he was always very pleasant to my Mother and myself as I remember.
Terence B Graham I also remember, I think he later became Town Clerk.
I have a letter from him to my Grandmother amongst many old photographs.
Many thanks for providing this information it really is of great interest to me,
Regards
Frank
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Hi,
Having read the posts of aghadowey I am now pretty sure that the Savages mentioned in the roll of honour, Andrew and David, 16, Castle Square, must have been the Savage family George and I grew up with!
I lived in 2, Castle Square and George lived in number 30 Castle Square.
I thought the Savages might have been closer to my house but thinking about it 16 is entirely possible.
I am assuming the row of terraced house ran 2,4, 6 etc. Number 2, (my house ) was the first house in the row.
Maurice Savage was born about 1951, 1952, he still lives in Bangor, he was a boyhood friend. He had a Sister I remember as Mabel. I think his Father was Alex Savage and if memory serves me correctly his Mother was called Lillie.
As a very small boy I remember his Grandmother also lived there, she was quite old then.
Regards
Frank
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Families sometimes move from one rented house to another on the same street and it's also possible that houses were renumbered. Have you looked at the online Valuation Revision Books (www.proni.gov.uk) which go up to c1930?
Please remember that you aren't allowed to post details of living people.
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Now to sort out the Lightbodys in Bangor :)
My grandfather was John Lightbody who was born in Portovo. He was in the Royal Marines. He had 2 brothers William and James and three sisters Agnes, Jean and Laura. His father was Hugh Lightbody. I have often heard my grandmother saying we were related to half of Bangor. I know there were some relatives who lived in Castle Street, Market Square etc but I'm not sure if we are related to any of those mentioned here. Some of you may know my uncles and aunties. Archie, Jack, Hugh, Brian, Madge, Elsie and my mother Gladys. (from betken)
Hugh Lightbody (c1859), farm lab., son of William, m.(1884 Newtownards dist.) Jane Gaw?/Peden? (c1861)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Groomesport/1251799
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Groomsport/260352
1. William Lightbody (c1886)
2. John Lightbody (c1888)
First Bangor Presbyterian Church Rool of Honour: John Lightbody, Ballymaconnell, Private Royal Marines
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohbangor1.html
3. Agnes Lightbody (1893)
4. Jane Lightbody (c1896)
5. James Lightbody (c1898)
6. Laura Lightbody (1904)
(also 1 child died before 1911)
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George Gordon's family :) (next 2 posts)
William John Lightbody (c1871 Belfast?-5 Sept.1912), silver engraver, m.(28 Dec.1891 St. Anne’s, Belfast) Ellen Elizabeth Ward (c1873 Leicester, England-12 Mar.1912)
directories- 1895 & 1897 & 1899 at 18 Tasmania St.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Larkfield_Road/1222261
1907 directory (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1907L.htm)- Lightbody, W. J., engraver, 11 Glencairn Street
1910 directory (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1910L.htm)- Lightbody, W. J., engraver, 3 Greenmount, Ballymagarry
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Woodvale/White_Rock_Road/183331
1912- 3 Greenmount Ballygomartin Road
Buried Belfast City Cemetery (H1 88)
1. William Francis Lightbody (1892-11 Nov.1892)
2. William James Lightbody (c1895 Belfast) 1911- Royal Navy
3. Joseph Lightbody (c1896-8 Sept.1897)
4. Ellen/Nellie Lightbody (c1899 Belfast-1922 Whiteabbey)
5. Annie Lightbody (c1909 Belfast)
6. Edith Lightbody (1907 Belfast)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBGG-PML
7. Walter Lightbody (1908 Belfast)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBPQ-SZJ
William Francis Lightbody (1892-11 Nov.1892)
Death (Leightbody):https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTCR-9PR
Belfast City Cemetery (B1 389) William Francis Lightbody, 31 Arkwright St., aged 7 weeks, died 11 Nov.1892, buried 13 Nov.1892. Also in same plot: Mary McConkey (d.1888), Margaret Rainey (d.1892), Elizabeth Roberts McConkey (d.1896), Mary Neilly (d.1911), James Neilly (d.1917).
Joseph Lightbody (c1896-8 Sept.1897)
Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTD3-ZM5
Belfast City Cemetery (H2 88): Joseph Lightbody, 18 Tasmania St., age 1 yr., died & buried 8 Sept.1897. Also buried in same plot: William Bell Brown (d.1943) & Sarah Elizabeth Brown (d.1953)
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William Lightbody (c1836), son of William, m.(19 May 1864 Christ C. of I., Shankill, Belfast) Anna McConkey (c1938), dau. of Robert
1. John Starrette Lightbody (15 Jan.1879 at 47 Boundary St., Belfast)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5D3-KMX
I believe that the above William Lightbody & Anna McConkey could be the parents of William John Lightbody (d.1912) in previous post.
William's marriage in 1891 lists his father as William Lightbody, engineer. I have been unable to find a match in Belfast directories, etc. both before and after 1891. However, William John Lightbody has a Margaret McConkey (d.1909) buried in plot H1 88, and in plot H2 88 (suspect 2 plots are near each other if not adjacent) is son William Francis Lightbody with 2 McConkeys.
The Joseph Lightbody died 1897 was at 18 Tasmania St. where we know William John Lightbody was living at the time. This Joseph and the William Francis died 1892 would be the 2 deceased children of Ellen (1911 census).
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Family of Francis Lightbody, Bangor :) (see next post for another possible child of Francis & a bit of a puzzle)
Francis Lightbody (c1834/c1839-1915), labourer, son of William, m.(1859) Sarah Gamble (c1838-1895)
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCP-PGY
Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRKW-NMS
1. Ellen Lightbody (c1866/c1870) m.(c1895) William John/James McDade/McDaid
2. Mary Lightbody (14 June 1869 Donaghadee)
3. Maria Hamilton Lightbody (4 Feb.1876 Bangor) m.(c1896) John Conway
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXT-MJB
Ellen Lightbody (c1866/c1870) m.(1912) William John McDade/McDaid (c1875)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Castle_Street/1252565
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Castle_Square/261331
Note not married until Oct./Dec.1912 Newtownards dist.
1. Maggie Lightbody (c1890)
2. Mabel Lightbody (c1893)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Hamilton_Road/261063
3. Jane McDade (c1896)
4. Thomas McDade (c1900)
5. David McDade (c1902)
6. Catherine McDade (c1904)
7. Ellen McDade (c1906)
8. Henry McDade (c1908)
Maria Hamilton Lightbody (4 Feb.1876 Bangor) m.(1899) John Conway (c1869)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXT-MJB
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Castle_Street/1252568
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Castle_Square/261344
1. John Conway (c1897)
2. Francis/Frank Conway (c1899)
3. Mary Conway (c1901)
4. Samuel Conway (c1904)
5. Maria Conway (c1905)
6. Hugh Conway (29 Nov.1906)- family
7. David Conway (c1909)
8. Charlotte Conway (c1911)
The surnames Gamble & Gemmell are interchageable and I found this family in Scotland but can't be sure it's same one (Ellen's age matches well) but checking any of the birth certificates (Scotland's People) should show date and place of parents' marriage. I did also look for them in Dalry & vacinity in Scottish census records without finding any trace of them.
Children of Francis Lightbody & Sarah Gemmell
1. Margaret Jane (1860 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYPZ-51S
2. William (1862 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYY9-RHD
3. Henry (1865 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYY9-DF5
4. Ellen (1867 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYPZ-D58
5. William Kirk (1874 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYY9-RHF
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Another Lightbody family in Bangor :)
John Lightbody (c1849/c1846/c1845/c1854-1925), labourer, son of William, m.(12 Aug.1865 Newtownards dist.) Anne/Annie Corne (c1851/c1841/c1844/c1843-1927), dau. of William
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD8-J37
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Church_Street/1252667
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Church_Street/261452
7 children (2 died before 1911)
Bangor Abbey: Erected by John Lightbody in mem. of his son John drowned at sea 1887 aged 16. Also his son Albert who d. Oct. 24 1900 aged 21. Also the above named John Lightbody who d. May 23 1925 aged 71. Also his wife Anne who d. Feb.6 1927 aged 84.
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=25&p=surnames.lightbody
1. Jane Lightbody (21 Mar.1869 Bangor)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5ZJ-XYN
2. John Lightbody (c1871-1887, drowned)
3. James Lightbody (c1875)
?4. Amanda Lightbody
5. Hugh Lightbody (c1883) (c1878)
Amanda Lightbody is listed in 1901 census as daughter of the above John & Annie and in 1911 with her husband Thomas Roy (married 1899 Belfast).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Downpatrick/Scotch_Street/237665
I found a Henry Lightbody, son of Francis married 1894 to Amanda Currant, daughter of John. Then found likely death for Henry (age 29 so born c1868) in 1897 Newtownards district.
Amanda is not a common name of the period and to have 2 Amanada Lightbodys does seem a bit unlikely. So, it's possible that Henry Lighbody married 1894 Amanda Currant, died 1897 and his widow Amanda Lightbody married 1899 Thomas Roy. Doesn't explain why she's listed as a daughter of John & Annie but certificates might sort it all out.
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Last one :)
John Lightbody (c1832-1882), son of William, m.(14 May 1855 Bangor) Agnes/Nancy M. McMillan (c1837-1917), dau. of Hugh
Bangor Abbey: Erected by Agnes Lightbody, Ballyree, in mem. of her husband John Lightbody, who d. June 4 1882 aged 50. Also Agnes, wife of above John L. who d. Feb.26 1917 aged 80. Also Madge, Dau. of James & Matilda Lightbody, who d. Sept. 10 1918 aged 17 months. Also the above James Lightbody who d. Nov. 8 1960 aged 86. Also Matilda, wife of above James, who d. May 27 1964 aged 85.
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=25&p=surnames.lightbody
1. Hugh Lightbody (27 Sept.1866 Ballyree)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPSZ-PD7
2. William John Lightbody (4 July 1869 Bangor)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F57H-24R
3. James Lightbody (3 Dec.1874-1960) m. Matilda (c1879-1964)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPM1-7JK
1. Madge Lightbody (1917-1918)
This looks like John's widow in 1901 census- if so there was also a daughter Margaret-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Boyne_Square/954600
(see next post)
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Further research has established that Margaret's marriage lists her father as John-
Margaret Lightbody (c1871-1947) , dau. of John & Agnes, m.(1896 Belfast) Charles Forrester (c1877 Scotland-1947)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Boyne_Square/954600
1907 directory (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1907FG.htm)- Forrester, Charles, iron turner, 72 Britannic Street
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Glenariffe_Street/155421
Belfast City Cemetery- Glenalina Extension (Y 71): Margaret Forrester, 39 Fortuna Ave., age 76, died 18 May 1947, buried 20 May 1947. Charles Forrester, 132 Donegall Ave., age 71, died 16 Oct.1947 City Hospital, buried 18 Oct.1947.
1. stillborn child (1897)
Belfast City Cemetery (public ground): stillborn child of Charles & Margt Forrester, 61 Boyne Sq., buried 1 Nov.1897.
2. James Forrester (c1899 Co.Antrim)
3. Richard Forrester (1901-10 Apr.1903).
Belfast City Cemetery (public ground): Richard Forrester, 81 Britannic St., aged 20 months, died 10 Apr.1903, buried 12 Apr.1903.
4. Agnes Forrester (1904-14 July 1904)
Belfast City Cemetery (public ground): Agnes Forrester, 81 Britannic St., aged 5 months, died 14 July 1904, buried 16 July 1904.
5. William Forrester (c1906 Co.Antrim)
6. Margaret Forrester (1908-14 Mar.1908)
Belfast City Cemetery (public ground): Margt Forrester, 72 Britannic St., aged 7 weeks, died 14 Mar.1908, buried 16 Mar.1908.
7. Charles Forrester (c1909 Belfast-6 Oct.1911)
Belfast City Cemetery (public ground): Charles Forrester, 31 Glenariff St., age 2, died 6 Oct.1911, buried 7 Oct.1911.
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I tried to post this yesterday and it would not work. So this post is regarding things just before aghadowey posted a whole bunch of Lightbody info.
Thanks so much to aghadowey for posting that information - especially the Roll Of Honour list, I have never seen that and that Andrew Savage is my gr-grandfather - so it really does mean a lot to me to now have that picture of his name on the Roll Of Honour in that church. Thanks again!
In reference to that Roll Of Honour list,
from Proni when searching the Ulster Covenant
1912 Ulster Covenant
Savage Andrew Castle Square Bangor Down: North Bangor Orange Hall
Savage David 16 Castle Square Down: North Bangor Trinity Church
Savage Mary 16 Castle Square Down: North Bangor House To House
Savage Sarah 16 Castle Square Down: North Bangor House To House
Father David and Mother Mary and adult children Andrew and Sarah lived at 62 Castle Square on the 1911 Census. The son David we have referred to on this post was only 14 in 1912, so he would not have signed the petition.
And as aghadowey listed above, Andrew and David Savage of 16 Castle Square are on the Roll of Honour at Trinty Presbyterian Church.
And here are Gordon's that come up on a search of the
1912 Ulster Covenant
Gordon Agnes Jane30 Castle Square Down: North Bangor House To House
Gordon Nellie 30 Castle Square Bangor Down: North Bangor Guild Hall
Gordon Sam 30 Castle Square Down: North Bangor House To House
Gordon Sarah 52 Castle Square Down: North Bangor House To House
Agnes Jane, Nellie, & Sam lived at 64 in Castle Street on the 1911 Census
(with Ethel and Isa)
and Sarah Gordon was at 52 Castle Sq. on the 1911 Census.
Also note that 30 Castle Square is the address for David Savage moving to Canada and then returning to Bangor the same year.
If you havn't already, you can look that up on Proni and see the signatures of your ancestors.
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Hello Aghadowey. I'm really amazed to find your post. I am also researching James Hamilton Savage. I believe him to be the son of the woman who took my mother and her older sister in when their mother couldn't afford to look after them. Was his father Samuel Savage and his mother Christina Peters. They lived in Grays Hill, Bangor. James Hamilton's mother (if she is the same person) was my mother's aunt. I had actually called into a local cemetery today to see if any of the Savages were buried there but it was too big to find a single grave. That's how much of a coincidence this is. Conlig.
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Hello again. I think I may have made a mistake. I have James Hamilton as son of Samuel and Christina but his birth date isn't right. Samuel and Christina did have a son called James. However, I have just read his Will again and Samuel makes his brother James H Savage Builder his Trustee. I have him in my tree as his son. That would make him the brother-in-law of my mother's aunt. Complicated isn't it. Does this sound right now? Conlig ???
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Hi,
Probably a bit late to this thread but only stumbled across it!
William James Lightbody was my Grandfather. Unfortunately I never got to meet him as I was born in 1966.
William James Lightbody married Mary Jane McArdle (my Granny May) in Bangor (not sure of the date!). My Grandmothers origins are from the Derrylin area of Fermanagh.
They had four children:
Anne Marie (Breen) my Mother. DOB 22/02/1941 - Died 07/06/2011
Two sons and a daughter (still living)
[Moderator Comment: Names of living people removed in accordance to the privacy policy]
George Gordon, I know off you but not personally, but I know you knew my Mother Anne well. I remember as a child visiting Edith with my mother at her (your) house in Castle Square circa early 70's. I remember your mother was very welcoming and the open fire was well alight. :)
Its been so interesting reading about my Grandfather and his side of the family. I knew he served in the Navy but no real details but all this other information as been fantastic to read some I know of and some I never knew.
Regards
Dave
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
William James Lightbody married Mary Jane McArdle (my Granny May) in Bangor (not sure of the date!).
From https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
William Lightbody McArdel 30th September 1940 North Down
KG
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Hi KG,
Thanks for that info. :)
Dave
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Hi my name is Alex Lightbody ,my father was James Alexander lightbody and my mother was Clara Phyllis lightbody ....... originally my father was from conlig and my mother Londonderry . We lived at 1 bingham street in Bangor for over 20 years prior to my mother's death ...I had three brothers and a sister Jim Rodney Robert and Cynthia .....my brother Jim died in Canada in 1977 whilst serving with the Irish guards ,my brother Rodney died in Gibraltar an and served with the royal Irish rifles my sister Cynthia moved to Devon when I was a small boy and my other brother lives in Bangor today .... My late father served with the RAF in WW2. and my mother served in the ATS ......my grand mother Mary lightbody lived in conlig Until her death not sure of my wider lightbody connections and would be grateful to here from anyone who new of my family from either conlig newtownards or Bangor
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If you search for 'Lightbody' and 'Bingham Street' you'll see lots of snippets on your family that might be of interest.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search-newspapers
I am registered with them so can see snippets but you'll need a subscription or pay to view articles.