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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Espoir on Friday 21 June 13 14:05 BST (UK)
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Looking for parents of Charles Temple Cant, born 1901, died in Wallsend-on-Tyne 1981, mother's maiden name Temple
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Here is the birth reg
Oct/Nov/Dec 1901
Tynemouth
10b 270
Charles Temple Cant
Getting his birth cert woul.d be the surest way of finding his parents.
But you may be able to find him with therm in 1911, sorry look ups not allowed.
Or you may find a Cant / Temple marriage on Freebmd, which would be a possible.
How did you know his mums maiden name was Temple?
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Thanks for the quick reply. My father's middle name is his mother's maiden name. That's all I know as his parents died when he was very young, his father when he was a child.
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There's a possible marriage on FreeBMD but its quite early - 1890 in Newcastle -
James Cant - possible spouses include Catherine Temple - ref vol 10b page 151.
best wishes
Maria
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Marriage on the familysearch website too: -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNBP-DJN :)
This entry has father's details also: -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6G2-YS8
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Brother for Charles? Robert Foster Cant (middle name after grandfather?)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLCC-1G6
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Think this is the family in 1901: -
James Cant (30), coal miner, Catherine (32), Robert F (8), Elizabeth (6), John (4) - ref RG13 piece 4808 folio 142 page 22
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Marriage for James's father Foster Cant?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N65D-7CZ
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This is great. Thank you so much Miriamkinga. This is possible the same family. Charles did have brothers called Robert and John and a sister called Elizabeth, but I believe John was the oldest as he joined up at 16 and was wounded in the war. There were two younger brothers Edward and James (who emigrated to Australia). However, I don't think Charles's father was ever a coal miner. He owned, or partly owned a livery stables and also a cinema at one time, and later became a publican.
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Hello and welcome Espoir,
you still need to get the birth certificate to be sure of his parentage.
Here is Charles, by the looks of it in 1911 census index https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWMW-9TR
There is a John Temple Cant born 1876 so the name may not have come from that marriage.
regards
heywood
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Apparently, Charles is in an orphanage in 1911. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/39PQ-TZ3
He may still be of the family found here but he doesn't seem to be with them in 1911 :-\
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Thank you Heywood. I know he was educated by the Freemasons when his father died. Since reading your message I've checked the orphanage and it seems it was created to provide education for the children of Freemasons who died. If his father was James Cant who died in 1909 this makes sense. He could very well have been in the orphanage in 1911. Thanks again.
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I will be at Woodhorn today - the Northumberland Archives - and will look up the trade directories for any CANT's in the occupations you mentioned.
Another possible way of finding this CANT father is through Freemason records if they survive. There cannot be too many CANT's who died between 1901 and 1911? However you would need to know which lodge he belonged too.
But if I find him in the trade directories, you would not need the Freemason's records :)
Gen in NBL England
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Thank you Heywood. I know he was educated by the Freemasons when his father died. Since reading your message I've checked the orphanage and it seems it was created to provide education for the children of Freemasons who died. If his father was James Cant who died in 1909 this makes sense. He could very well have been in the orphanage in 1911. Thanks again.
Yes. He may have been the right age to go to the school, hence his siblings were still with mother - I did read that not all were orphans.
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Hello again
I'm writing this at Woodhorn - so I'll expand on my reasoning later at home
I'm fairly certain that Charles Temple CANT's parents are James CANT and Catherine TEMPLE.
I have all their children etc.
Just going to check James and Catherine's marriage as long as it wasn't in a R/O.
Gen in NBL England
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Hello again Espoir
I found absolutely no CANT's in the area between 1898-1920 in the NBL/DUR trade directories at Woodhorn. This seemed odd so I switched tactics.
With the info you gave (older siblings Robert, John and Elizabeth), I looked for CANT's on the 1901 census around the Wallsend and Tynemouth registration district areas, cross checking them against FreeBMD etc. One stood out - this one:
1901 census RG13; Piece: 4808; Folio: 142; Page: 22
Longbenton 125 Long Row, (West Moor, Killingworth)
CANT
James head marr 30 coalminer hewer b NBL Killingworth
Catherine wife marr 32 b DUR Trimdon Grange
Robert F son 8 b DUR Monkheseldon
Elizabeth dau 6 b DUR Easington
John son 4 b DUR Trimdon
This family has been mentioned before by others on this thread.
Here is the marriage of James CANT and Catherine TEMPLE transcribed from the actual church register:
St Nicholas Cathedral Newcastle upon Tyne
1890 Aug 27th
James CANT 20 bachelor coachman res. 29 Market Street son of Foster CANT miner
Catherine Temple 22 spinster res. 81 Grey Street dau of Robert TEMPLE miner
Both signed their names
Uncertain whether it was by Banns or Licence as the first two letters of "Banns" is crossed through. Licence is not mentioned so probably by Banns
Witnesses: John Simpson WILSON and Catherine WILSON
Have a look on Ancestry.com or FindMyPast at the 1911 census for Charles Temple CANT and his siblings. Search for them each separately. His birthplace on the 1911 entry has been mis-transcribed on both but if you look carefully (blow it right up) it is the same place as one of the other children!
I looked for a baptism for Charles in Longbenton but there was nothing between 1901-1903. Miners were often non-Conformists and there were several chapels in the area. However some of their records seem missing at Woodhorn, some are kept elsewhere.
Gen in NBL England
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Thank you so much Gen. It's such a help as I don't live in England so can only search via the internet. I think I no longer have any family in the North East, but I'm trying to interest my niece who lives in the south.
I'll do as you suggest and try the two sites you mention. I'm new at this and it's amazing how helpful you all are, and how much I've learned about where to look in only two days and what you can discover. I didn't even know my father had been in an orphanage. I have to digest all of this.Thanks again for all your trouble and your help.
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Hi,
Just passing through and the name "Cant" caught my eye. I have come across that name a lot in my scottish searches and from memory I'm sure the name was mostly from Forfarshire or roundabout there although not the only place so you may discover some Scottish relatives too.
Annie.
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Thank you, Ammack, for your message. My direct family, thanks to help from Rootschat members, seems to have been in the North East of England since the 17th century, but given the number of children born to them it's more than possible that some of them went to Scotland, so maybe some distant relatives there.
Sorry I didn't reply earlier but I've been away from this for a while
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There is a Cant Family Tree on Ancestry with a lot of info and copies of certs, which also has details of Catherine Temple.
Patricia
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Thank you for the information, Patricia. Sorry to be so late with the thanks but I've been away from this for some time. Thanks again.
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Foster may have been a bit of a "Lad"
1861 Census
Killingworth, Northumberland
RG9/3845/109/20
Foster CANT, 49, Head, Widower, Ag Lab, born St John Lee
Foster Cant, 15, Son, born Bywell St Peter
John Cant, 11, Son, born Bywell St Peter
Isabella Cant, 25, Daug in Law, Widow
Thomas BOYD, 18, Stepson
William Boyd, 14, Stepson
Richard Boyd, 11, Stepson
Mary Boyd, 3, Step Grand/Daug
Marriage Familysearch.Org;
Foster CANT age 43 (1813) to Isabella BOYD age 42 ( 1814), 20 Dec 1856, Gateshead, Durham.
1871 Census
Robins Row
Killingworth, Northumberland
RG10/5126/28/2
Foster CANT, 58, Head, Mar, Ag Lab
Isabella, 36, Wife, Mar
John, 21, Son, Unm, Colliery Lab
Isabella, 3, Daug
All born Northd
Marriage from Familysearch.Org;
Foster CANT age 52 (1814) to Isabella CANT age 36 (1830), 01 April 1866, Gateshead, Durham
1851 under GAUNT;
Styford, Northumberland
Forster Gaunt, 38, Head, Widower, Ag Lab
Archibald, 15, Son, Ag Lab
Jane, 12, Daug
Forster, 6, Son
Margaret LAMBERT, 45, Servant, Widow, Domestic Servant
HO107/2414/257/12
1841 Census
Warden, Northumberland
HO107/843/11/Warden
Forster CANT, 45, Ag Lab
Ann, 25
Isaac, 11
Isabella, 8
Archbald, 6
Jane, 2
Ages for Foster/Ann are hard to make out
Marriage from FreeREG;
25 Sept 1830, Haydon Bridge-St Cuthbert T, Warden, Northumberland
Forster CANT
Ann MITCHELLSON
Witnesses, Elizb and Thos STOBART and James CANT
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BURIALS;
ANN Cant, 15 Aug 1849, St Anndrew, Byswell, age 37, abode Styford
ISABELLA Cant, 16 Sept 1849, same Church, age 16, abode Styford
Mother and Daug I presume.
(Source FreeREG)
Christening Familysearch.Org;
Foster CANT, 27 September 1812, LEE SAINT JOHN, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
Father THOMAS Cant
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BURIAL;
Isabella CANT, 18 May 1854, Haydon Bridge-St Cuthbert B, Warden, age 88,
abode Plankey Parish of Haltwhistle
(FreeREG)
1851 Census she is born c 1766 Ovingham. Living with Daug Eleanor now Mrs REED
(Eleanor STOBART married Robert REED 11 Jan 1817 Bywell (FreeREG)
A Tree has Thomas CANT Marrying Isabella STOBART, Widow, 1799
(Marriage on F/S, 14 Nov 1799, Lee Saint John, Northumberland,England)
Marriage to John STOBART of Isabella FORSTER 19 Oct 1788 Ponteland
Looks like that where the Forster comes from :)
(It also explains the Stobart Witnesses on Forster Cants Marriage in 1830)
Children from Tree of JOHN/ISABELLA Stodart;
THOMAS 1789
JOHN 1791
ELIZABETH 1792
ELEANOR 1795
ROBERT 1797
Children of THOMAS/ISABELLA Cant;
THOMAS 1800-1803
ISABELLA 1802
JAMES 1804 (maybe other Witness at 1830 Marriage)
MARY 1807
FORSTER 1812
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Little bit late to the party here (am in Search mode) but where / is there a Fowl Hall in NBL (transcribed place of birth for Charles in 1911 census)? According to the 1939 Reg, he was born in Sep 1901, just a few months after the 1901 census has them in Longbenton.
Seems to me they stopped baptising their kids after Thomas in Gosforth, 1899, so it's a bit harder to track their places of abode down. And they moved round A LOT.
Here's a pic of Kate Temple (my GG Aunty) I nicked off Ancestry btw
Edit to add: Never heard of James being a freemason, but checked on Ancestry - first result is for a Gentleman living in Gateshead 1902, but he's about 20 years too old. But other one is for a 36-year-old manager living in the Cloth Market in 1907. At the end of the entry below is 'died 21/12/1909' - but this is at the end of a double-page spread where you can lose track of which line you're on and this is definitely the date that James died.
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Charles Temple Cant was born at Forest Hall NBL. 1911 census. He was in the Northern Counties Orphanage, Jesmond, Newcastle upon Tyne
GRO entry:
CANT, CHARLES TEMPLE mothers maiden name TEMPLE
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 270
Baptised at St Johns Killingworth:
1901 Charles Temple son of James and Catherine CANT born 6/9/1901 baptised Oct 1st 1901 of Nicholson’ Terrace cartman
Gen in NBL England