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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Jayell12 on Thursday 20 June 13 16:48 BST (UK)
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Trying to find the birth of my 3 x Gt.Grandmother who was probably born in Edinburgh. Her father was James STEPHENS who married Hannah PRATT in 1775 at St Cuthberts (West Church) in Edinburgh. James was a Shoemaker working in Charles Street (1778) and Kings Stable (1780). Emelia had a sister, Eleanor, who was born around 1782. I have been unable to find any baptism records for either of them. The family later moved to Birmingham around 1800 and remained there. There might be a connection to Dumfries and Galloway as a death notice for James was placed in the Dumfries and Galloway Standard in 1847 - but I have no idea what the connection might be.
Grateful for any help.
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat.
There is another baptism which I think must be for a child of this couple:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3V-9VL
I can't say I've come across that name before. I've not had any luck with Emilia and Eleanor. :(
Nell
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Hi,
I have found the marriage on LDS site, transcribed as between James Stephen and Hanna Bratt (sic)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYMR-1XX
also shown as Edinburgh parish rather than St Cuthberts West Church.
Tom
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Thanks Nell. I have seen this baptism before, and agree the parents are the same. Davinell is a strange name. Definitely one to follow up I think. Guess I might have to pay a visit to the archives in Edinburgh to look into it more, or perhaps email them for more information. Pity Family Search doesn't show Emelia or Eleanor.
Judy
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Thank you Tom. My information on the marriage came from the Edinburgh Parish Register and was given to me by a member of Scotfamtree. West Church is shown as St Cuthberts if you Google it!
ST CUTHBERTS
"St Cuthberts or West Church Parish - It is not perfectly easy to draw a precise line between the suburbs and the country, and therefore it is necessary to mention that the inhabitants of Lauriston, Tollcross, Castlebarns, Fountainbridge, West Church Charity Workhouse, Water of Leith, Stockbridge, Silvermills, Canonmills, Broughton and Leith Walk are included in the numbers stated for the suburbs."
(From the Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 Vol II)
Thanks for the information that you found on the marriage.
Judy
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Hi Judy,
Here is the Edinburgh Parishes map, you will see St Cuthberts Church arrowed, not far from King Stables Road, which leads to the Grassmarket.
http://www.hoodfamily.info/misc/miscedinmaplarge.html
Tom
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Wow! Thanks Tom. What a great map and interesting to see that Kings Stables Road is near to St Cuthberts. I have saved it for future reference. Might be relevant that they are close to each other as he probably lived in the area when working as a shoemaker. And not knowing Edinburgh the map will be very useful.
Any idea where New Church would be in the 1776 time? I haven't had any luck in Googling that one as it just comes up with lots of new churches!! His bride, Hannah Pratt, was from New Church parish.
Judy
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Hi Judy,
Could the New Church be New Greyfriars of the "Greyfriars Bobby" fame.
Tom
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Hi Tom
New Greyfriars is a strong possibility! I've had another look at the map and see that it is the other side of Kings Stables to St Cuthberts. I must look into this more. Thanks for the suggestion.
Judy
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I am not sure if you have seen the entry on RootsWeb concerning this family? Haven't had time to read through everything properly. Appears to have christening for Amelia and Elenor Steventon in Birmingham - Davinell Stephen in Edinburgh. My apologies if you have this already.
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Hello Shanghaipanda
Thanks for the information. I have been told about the baptism of Amelia in Birmingham before, but have the St Philips Baptism Register Index and haven't been able to find her on that. However I am away from home at present and unable to recheck it. The Library in Birmingham is closed until September as they are moving to new premises so I am unable to check there at present but think I should make a visit once they are re-open so that I can look at the original registers.
I haven't seen the family on Rootsweb and am unsure where to look for it. Could you give me information on this please. Any help is gratefully received.
Thanks again.
Judy
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http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY/2013-05/1367729135
I hope this will work for you. If not you can google Davinell + rootsweb and I think it was the third result down.
Hope you succeed in your searching !
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Thanks again Shanghaipada. Unfortunately I already have this information as it was sent to me on a different forum, but I appreciate your help.
Judy
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Shanghaipanda - I have just subscribed to Scotlands People and managed to find the birth of Davinell on 21 February 1776 to James Stephens Shoe Mkr and Hanna Brett, so with the confirmation of James's occupation, I am pretty certain that this is my family. Unfortunately I can't read all of the writing but think I have deciphered the important words! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Judy
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Good to hear you have another little bit of information to add to your search. (Now, .. if I could find my Irish agricultural labourer who immigrated to Scotland about 1810 from goodness knows where in Ireland .........) :P
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These ancestors don't make it easy for us do they?