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Looking for information on Ronald Kitchener Makin Born ? died 2001 Canberra, Australia. Married Heather Eileen Liddiard and later remarried Doreen ?
Ronald and Heather had two children together. This is all the information that I have. Any help would be appreciated. :D
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Married
Doreen Heather at Wolongong Ref# 16162/1939 Then DOREEN MAY AYRES at Marrickville ref# 24572/1957
Neil
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It would be best to remove the names of any possible living members in your posts. ::)
Neil
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Policy on Living Persons:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368728.msg2632620.html#msg2632620
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http://www.ryersonindex.org/
MAKIN Ronald (Ron)
Death notice 28 Jan 2001 82 years
Published in the Canberra Times29 Jan 2001
Cando
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http://www.ryersonindex.org/
MAKIN Ronald (Ron)
Death notice 28 Jan 2001 82 years
Published in the Canberra Times29 Jan 2001
Cando
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The son is appearing as a living person ::)
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Having problems posting....
MAKIN, Ronald Kitchener
Cemetery - Woden S
Died Sunday, 28 January 2001
Interred Wednesday, 31 January 2001 Lawn Anglican AN/L/F/137
Cando
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Death Doreen May MAKIN 17/11/2010 age 92 Canberra Times 20/11/2010
Probate notice Doreen May MAKIN late of Hughes ACT Canberra Times 16/2/2011
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Sorry didn't realize that you can't add living relatives but have now updated my first post. Thank you for letting me know this. Was also trying to find Ronalds mother and father too if anyone can help
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Australian Electoral Roll
1949 NSW
MAKIN Heather Eileen 10 Lancaster Street, Punchbowl HD
MAKIN Ronald Kitchener 10 Lancaster Street, Punchbowl Gardener
1958 NSW
MAKIN Heather Eileen 140 Karne Street, Punchbowl HD
MAKIN Ronald Kitchener 140 Karne Street, Punchbowl Gardener
1963, ACT
MAKIN Doreen 94 Causeway HD
MAKIN Ronald Kitchener 94 Causeway Gardiner
ACT 1968, 1972, 1977 1980
MAKIN Doreen 43 Kitchener Street, Hughes Switchboard operator
MAKIN Ronald Kitchener 43 Kitchener Street, Hughes Concrete inspector
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17329/1959
GREEN Arthur Roy
MAKIN Heather Eileen
District Hurstville
GREEN Heather Eileen
Death notice 7 Aug 2001 Funeral
Late of Nowra
Published in the Illawarra Mercury 6 Aug 2001
Cando
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Australian Electoral Roll
1958
GREEN Arthur Roy 140 Karne Street, Punchbowl Moulders assistant
Cando
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http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx
2796/1953
Item Divorce papers Ronald Makin - Heather Eileen Makin, Arthur Green
16 Jul 1953 ~ 10 Jan 1956
Cando
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Hi!
A Robert K Makin was born in 1918 at Wollongong #24486. Mum was Alice but no father listed.
Mariona
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This is the strangest group of births I have ever seen on NSW BDM :o
Mary Makin had 10 children in one year 1910. ??? All born Wollongong, Thought I better put the other L in. :P
See: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/IndexSearch?form=IndexingSearch&cgiurl=%2Fcgi-bin%2FIndex%2FIndexingBirth.cgi&sname=Makin&gname=&fname=&mname=Mary&event=births&frange=1910&trange=1910&place=&SessionID=40214776&x=37&y=10
Neil :o
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Hi!
A Robert K Makin was born in 1918 at Wollongong #24486. Mum was Alice but no father listed.
Mariona
MAKIN Ronald K
Mother Alice
Yr 1918
At Wollongong
#24486
Sue
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A possible marriage
REG 2250 In 1930 ENTWISTLE JAMES A.
To MAKIN, ALICE
RANDWICK
A death
REG12219 In 1934 ENTWISTLE JAMES A
Father THOMAS
Mother ANNIE
At REDFERN
Electoral Roll
1933
Address- 15 Clarendon Street ,Vaucluse
ENTWISTLE James Albert- Gardener
ENTWISTLE Alice-Weaver
1937
Address 138 Newington Rd. Marrickville
ENTWISTLE, Alice-weaver
Sue
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Or this death.
ALICE M A J MAKIN FATHER THOMAS MOTHER MARY A AT WOLLONGONG Ref # 12576/1924
There are sveral other births to this lady with no father shown.
Neil
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This is the difficult to read funeral Notice for JAMES ENWISTLE
In part it says..."Friends and relatives of Mrs Alice Entwistle of 15 Clarendon Street Vaucluse and Friends and relatives of Mr and Mrs Green of Randwick ------ invite--- their husband and brother and brother-in-law-----."
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0upx/
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Umm I went to school with a ?? Makin born 1948/9 from the area that Ronald lived. He now as far as I know, lives in SA as I regularly hear him on National talkback radio or television :o
I wonder if connected. ???
Neil
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Possibly either both or one of Ronald's parents were born somewhere in China and migrated to Australia but can't confirm this. I do know that Ronald had quiet a few brother's and sisters as per Neil Todd's comment so maybe this is connected.
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Hi!
A Robert K Makin was born in 1918 at Wollongong #24486. Mum was Alice but no father listed.
Mariona
MAKIN Ronald K
Mother Alice
Yr 1918
At Wollongong
#24486
Sue
Neil mentioned a number of births at Wollongong with no father and mother Alice.
Possible birth of mother
22531/1876
MAKIN Alice Mary A J
Father Thomas Mother Mary Ann
District Wollongong
Births of possible siblings
27218/1896
MAKIN William T H E
Mother Alice
District Wollongong
38522/1904
MAKIN Ruby E
Mother Alice M A
District Wollongong
42013/1907
MAKIN Alfred C
Mother Alice M A
District Wollongong
and these two registered only a few years ago - possibly a birth cert was needed for ?legal reasons ?probate.
180215/2005
MAKIN Emma R A
Mother Alice M A
180372/2005
MAKIN Edward R
Mother Alice M A J
Deaths
15797/1899
MAKIN Emma R A
Mother Alice M A
District Wollongong
6881/1916
MAKIN Alice
Mother Alice
District Wollongong
7554/1959
MAKIN William Thomas H E
Mother Alice
District Wollongong
And then this death
ALICE M A J MAKIN FATHER THOMAS MOTHER MARY A AT WOLLONGONG Ref # 12576/1924
Neil
If you think a father would be mentioned on either of Ronald's marriage certs than you could purchase transcriptions from one of these accredited agents
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cando
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:) thank you Cando this information I will follow up. It's very frustrating when you have little information to go on but hopefully these people are siblings to Ronald :D
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Who was the Heather MAKIN that was doing a Trade of Dressmaking at Wollongong Technical College in 1936 when Heather Lilliard had not married Ronald MAKIN until 1939?
Neil ???
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:) Hi Neil. I have no idea if this is the same person. It is very frustrating >:( trying to do the research. It is known that Ronald came from Chinese but it is also thought that he was aboriginal decent too? Unsure of where to go from here. :D
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:) Hi Neil. I have no idea if this is the same person. It is very frustrating >:( trying to do the research. It is known that Ronald came from Chinese but it is also thought that he was aboriginal decent too? Unsure of where to go from here. :D
Some sound advice has come from Cando in regard to where to go from this point. The certificate may contain clues which you will probably not find elsewhere.
HEATHER LILLIAN MAKIN lived at 49 Kenny Street Wollongong in 1949.
There are three others of the surname at the address. There are other groupings of people with the surname in the area.
I do not think she is relevant at the moment to your search.
Sue
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As Sue and previously suggested by Cando.
If you think a father would be mentioned on either of Ronald's marriage certs than you could purchase transcriptions from one of these accredited agentshttp://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
I was digressing a bit. :-X
Neil
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Hi there,
You mention that Ronald’s parentage may have an Aboriginal or Chinese heritage, but you are unsure.
The information at NSW SRO’s index to the Unassisted Arrivals NSW 1842-1855 includes at “remarks” that the crewman by the surname MAKIN was a Lascar and from Calcutta.
Lascars crewed many of the sailing ships that came into Sydney during the colonial times. You may well find that the heritage you are speculating about is from earlier generations.
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/research/projects/lascar_lives_and_the_east_india_company.page
The index entry also gives:
MAKIN, (no given name), aged 22, on the Coromandel, C(rew) arriving Sydney 24 Oct 1854 from London.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=43
Cheers, JM
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Hi!
My apologies I meant to write Ronald not Robert. Had just found out I was a great granny
so my mind must have been away with the fairies.
Mariona
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This in response to MaJm post re Lascar's.
From WIKI
"Lascars were also used by ships plying other routes. For example, the New South Wales government record of the ship Massilia en route from London to Sydney in 1891 lists more than half of its crew as being either Lascar or Indian."
Neil
PS congratulations ;D GGranny
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:)
Thank you all for your input without your help I would be stuck but am slowly making progress.
:D Mariona :D Congratulations on becoming a Great Granny.
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:) Have found out that two of Ronald's brothers names were Keith and Charlie but apparently one of Ronald's brothers changed his name and I am hoping that it wasn't Keith or Charlie as there was quite a few brothers and sisters. :D
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Looking for information on Ronald Kitchener Makin Born ? died 2001 Canberra, Australia. Married Heather Eileen Liddiard and later remarried Doreen ?
Ronald and Heather had two children together. This is all the information that I have. Any help would be appreciated. :D
:) Have found out that two of Ronald's brothers names were Keith and Charlie but apparently one of Ronald's brothers changed his name and I am hoping that it wasn't Keith or Charlie as there was quite a few brothers and sisters. :D
Is your information coming from a reliable source? Sometimes family stories can lead research way off track. I suggest trying to build on facts that you already know.
You could search here for possible death notices for "Keith and Charlie".
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Have you purchased these marriage certificates?
16162/1939
MAKIN Ronald
LILLIARD Heather Eileen
District Wollongong
24572/1957
MAKIN Ronald
AYRES Doreen May
District Marrickville
Transcriptions are a cheaper option to purchasing certified certificates and the information is the same.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
If I was researching this family I would also consider purchasing this death certificate...it could be the Alice who had many illegitimate children in the Wollongong area.
12576/1924
MAKIN Alice M A J
Father Thomas Mother Mary A
District Wollongong
We can only help you so much and you need certificates to validate what has already been found.
Cando
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:) thank you for all your help. I have been able to get in contact with Keith's (Ronald's brother)grandchild and they also cannot find information due to a lot of confusion with their father name. He is on the understanding that their mother used her surname of Makin and that she died in childbirth and the boy was called Eric Lee who was registered with only the fathers name. All too confusing and a lot of headaches ???
I will be looking into the history of the Ununderra railway crossing as their sister worked there as a gatekeeper so hopefully can find some information from there. Will keep soldiering on slowly and hopefully can find some information. Thank you for everyone who helped me :D
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I would suggest the contents of ALICE's death certificate would reveal more information of genuine use to you than the records of the Ununderra Railways.
What was the name of the wife of Keith, the grandfather of the person you have contacted?
Sue
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Having spent some time in the area around Unanderra I believe as Sue suggests it will not be of any consequence in your search. I travelled over the crossing many, many times in years gone past. In fact my Uncle owned much of the land around there. There is no crossing there anymore it has been replaced by an adjacent high level bridge over the rail at 5 Islands Road. I don't even think the crossing house is there anymore, however I do remember it as a child.
Neil
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These may help in your search.
http://www.mundia.com/au/Search/Results?surname=MAKIN&birthPlace=Australia
While this crew may not have been directly connected it could explain many of the babies being under one name and no father.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Sarah_Makin
Also a whole family tree.
http://colinus.tribalpages.com/
And a bit from Fairfax Wollongong.
http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac;jsessionid=033FD78556DF329550B7A62EBDC07A2C?sy=afr&pb=all_ffx&dt=selectRange&dr=1month&so=relevance&sf=text&sf=headline&rc=10&rm=200&sp=brs&cls=165&clsPage=1&docID=...130206HH3MS7FTI9I
Neil
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:) Good news I'm pretty sure I found one of his brothers who is Eric Lee born 18 February 1913 and died 30 December 1994 as the photo that I found is very simular in looks and have some resembulances.
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You may already have done this but if you look at The White Pages for ACT you will see that there is still a MAKIN listed at the address given on the electoral roll. There are others also in ACT who may be your relatives.
http://www.whitepages.com.au/?entryType=R
Judith
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:) Good news I'm pretty sure I found one of his brothers who is Eric Lee born 18 February 1913 and died 30 December 1994 as the photo that I found is very simular in looks and have some resembulances.
May I suggest that this is not a very sound way of researching your family.
It has been suggested that Ronald K MAKIN 's marriage certificates would give you the information you are seeking and the names of his parents should be noted on the certificates.
Information on marriage certificates in NSW -
Bridegroom's full name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place and date of birth, age, father's name and mother's maiden name
Bride's full name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place and date of birth, age, father's name and mother's maiden name
Celebrant's name and witnesses
Have you purchased [either of] these marriage certificates?
16162/1939
MAKIN Ronald
LILLIARD Heather Eileen
District Wollongong
24572/1957
MAKIN Ronald
AYRES Doreen May
District Marrickville
Transcriptions are a cheaper option to purchasing certified certificates and the information is the same.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cheers :)
Cando
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May I also suggest you re-read reply#22 and then make a new topic requesting a lookup to 1918 NSW births in the name of MAKIN with mother Alice. At least you may find some of Ronald's younger siblings. Please link this thread to avoid chatters doing duplicate searches.
We can only help you so much. You need to purchase certificates.
Cando
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May I also suggest you re-read reply#22 and then make a new topic requesting a lookup to 1918 NSW births in the name of MAKIN with mother Alice. [/u] At least you may find some of Ronald's younger siblings. Please link this thread to avoid chatters doing duplicate searches.
We can only help you so much. You need to purchase certificates.
Cando
To 1918 there is the birth for Ronald K MAKIN with Alice as mother as previously noted.
Also a birth for the death noted by Cando in Reply #22
MAKIN, Alice
Yr 1916
Mother ALICE
Wollongong
#17845
Sue
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Family history can be fun and enjoyable. The research into existing records can bring very unexpected findings.
For some people a bit of a "probable family history" is quite enough and this is the sort you are destined to have, kshelly, without getting proper reliable records of you own.
But with only a "probable family history" based on family chat and a few old photos, you cannot truly say you have a family history. You need reliable documents. These are rarely free, and we here can only advise you on the correct steps forward.
I wish you every success with your searches.
Sue
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Hi there, Me again ;D
Hi there,
You mention that Ronald’s parentage may have an Aboriginal or Chinese heritage, but you are unsure.
The information at NSW SRO’s index to the Unassisted Arrivals NSW 1842-1855 includes at “remarks” that the crewman by the surname MAKIN was a Lascar and from Calcutta.
Lascars crewed many of the sailing ships that came into Sydney during the colonial times. You may well find that the heritage you are speculating about is from earlier generations.
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/research/projects/lascar_lives_and_the_east_india_company.page
The index entry also gives:
MAKIN, (no given name), aged 22, on the Coromandel, C(rew) arriving Sydney 24 Oct 1854 from London.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=43
Cheers, JM
May I ask if you have followed that up at all? The NSW SRO's archives are fantastic, and the reading room facilities are simply "tops".
May I also support the comments re getting reliable documents ...... In doing so, may I share some info.... Within one branch of my family tree there's a particular medical condition that has been passed down through several generations. By looking carefully at my family tree, and then looking at the various NSW BDM death certs, I can clearly see which particular line the condition comes down, which generations it appears to skip and etc. Medical history is of course vital to those of us who are LIVING as our GPs thrive on knowing as much as possible. To me, aside from my love of family history, the info I can glean and share with my living family members re our shared medical history is simply PRICELESS ..... so I don't mind spending pennies on the occasional "wallpaper" dud certificate/transcription.
Cheers, JM