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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: irret on Monday 17 June 13 10:40 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Not sure if I am in the correct place. I have just found Register of Service for Samuel Pallent born about 1793 Benhall Suffolk. Military date 1812 Unit 12th Foot Soldiers. I would like to know more, when did he arrive, could this be found, did he stay in Canada? Not asking much :-X Any help most appreciated.
PS It mentions Portsea is that where they were?
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There is no connection with Canada, other than you may have found the information on Canadian Ancestry. He 'attested' (took the oath) for the 12th Foot in Portsea, which is part of Portsmouth. He enlisted for 7 years 'limited service'. The second page says he died 2nd July 1814 in Fermoy (Ireland).
The 12th Foot had two battalions from 1811 to 1818. He was in the 2nd Battalion which served in England and Ireland. After his death they served in the army of occupation in France following Waterloo. The 1st Battalion were in India. He would not have seen any action.
The notes says he was one of the men who volunteered from the E Suffolk M (East Suffolk Militia). The Militia in this time were selected by ballot, so you should ask the Suffolk Archives if they have any lists. They may have a ‘census’ of other Pallents, and they may have a list of men selected. If selected men could pay a substitute to serve in their place. So he may have been a paid subsitute. Militia only served at home, so large numbers were asked to volunteer to serve with Regular battalions ‘for the duration’ so they could be sent overseas if necessary.
Ken
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Hi
Can this register be searched online (not through the Ancestry web site as I don't have a subscription) I noticed from theancestry site that there were 2 references to Dancey (born in Ireland) & as that's a name & locality of origin I'm researching, I'm hoping to check the Regimental Registers records without having to pay
any help out there?
many thanks
Roz
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Hi Ken,
My apologies I some how missed your reply. Thank you so much for your time and trouble. All is clear now, death is interesting as I thought I spotted him on 1841 census I shall have to review this. :)
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I've also come across relatives in the Registers of Service and now understand that they are UK and not necessarily Canada. The Attestation section lists Place, Date, For what period of time, and By whom enlisted. I understand that the actual Attestation form includes even more information - including next of kin. So my question is, where might I find these forms?
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As I explained in my first post he did not serve overseas. The reason for these 'Canada' lists is not clear.
Only a small number of Attestation papers have survived from this period - before c1880. They have been culled over the past 150 to 250 years to save space. The records that do - and these are only of soldiers awarded a pension - are from his Discharge hearing. But these will give you almost everything anyway.
Army attestation forms do not record next of kin until much later. There are incomplete BMD records in the Overseas and Regimental records; and Chaplains records. These are on a few paid sites. Also, some marriage and birth registers, mainly for the Artillery which are searchable on the National Archives Discovery.
Often the only source is to research the muster books to find where the man was month by month, and then look in BMD registers in nearby churches. The muster books from the late 1860s also list the families on the Married Roll. It lists wife's name and the ages of any children. Musters are in the National Archives, and 99% are not online.
Ken
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Ken- Thanks, this is helpful. These enlistments are from the early 1800's - where would I find the muster books?
Chris
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Are we still talking 12th Foot?
Also what name and place of birth?
Ken
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The names are John S. Ingham County Cavan, Parish of Anna, 25 Aug 1808, George Ingham County Fermanaugh, Parish of Inniskillen?, 15 Apr 1811, William C. Ingham County Cavan, Belturber, 15 Jul 1815. For John, it appears that he served earlier from 1796 to 1801. I have no indication of what regiment.
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Of the three I can only find this John - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8813568 - on the NA website. This should match the records on Findmypast. But I cannot find a record on that site.
Once you have the regiment you search series WO12 on the NA. Previous service may have been in the Militia. Their musters are in WO13. So for the Cavan Militia for 1800 it is: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_aq=cavan&_cr1=wo13&_dss=range&_sd=1800&_ed=1800&_ro=any
Militiamen were mainly recruited following a ballot. The local record office may still have the men selected plus the 'census' they took of all men over 16.
Ken
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Hi Christinethomast,
I have had a look on find my past and found his records, if you would like to PM me with an email I will forward them on to you.
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I too am look for an ancestor from Ireland that according to Ancestry.ca served in the Canada British Regimental Registers of Service 1756-1900.
James (Jas) Fairfield b, 1787, Shankill, Armagh was enlisted by Lt Collins on Aug 4 1812 at Tullemore, Ireland and was pensioned out of the 48th Foot Regiment as a Private on June 26 1816, in Dublin.
Is there any way to find out where he was and what James was doing in those 4 years? Did he actually serve in Canada/US? My boys will be especially interested to know if their 4x Gt Grandfather had anything to do with the burning down of the White House! http://cdn.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/cheesy.gif
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Hi
I've posted this also on 58th Regiment in Ireland in 1819? Enlistment of Matthw Dancey
A Matthew Dancey, of ?Crosserlough, Co Cavan Ireland enlisted in 1819 in Cavan aged 21 (apparently) He was a labourer. The record of this is on Ancestry, on the Canada Regimental Registers of Service and they have indexed it as Matthew enlisting in the 58th Regiment, but this may not be correct. The image to the record is from the WO 25/440 series (image 4 of that series from the National Archives). But I'm not even sure if he was enlisted in the 58th - the enlisting officer was a Lieut Thornton. (On the same page, there is also enlisted a Pocerage Dancey fron Monaghan who joined 1822 aged 18 and he did join 58th Regiment).
On the enlistment list it's note that Matthew apparently served from 1820-1822 in either the East or West Indies. I'm trying to find any other records/documents that may show if he was killed in service, or settled in the place of his discharge, or any further service. Any help much appreciated
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The "Canada" bit in Ancestry's previous title for this dataset was inaccurate and misleading. They've changed it now, to "UK".
Re Matthew Dancey, the continuation of his record on the next page shows that he was transferred to the Royal African Corps on 23 December 1823. Can't see any other military records for him at the moment.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/90169:3253
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The "Canada" bit in Ancestry's previous title for this dataset was inaccurate and misleading. They've changed it now, to "UK".
Re Matthew Dancey, the continuation of his record on the next page shows that he was transferred to the Royal African Corps on 23 December 1823. Can't see any other military records for him at the moment.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/90169:3253
Hi Shaun
Thanks. I've not currently got an Ancestry subscription, so I'll check the WO 25/440 series again to see if I can find the page you refer to (hopefully it's the next image). Having done an internet search on the Royal African Corps it seems that they were disbanded between 1821-23 and prior to disbanded had received replacement troops from 60th Regiment, so now I'm wondering if Matthew was originally enlisted to 60th? But I guess that part of my query doesn't belong here!