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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: emeloe1 on Sunday 16 June 13 17:28 BST (UK)
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Hi All!
I am trying to find out information about my grandmother and grandfather who were born in Norway. My father was born in Bergen in 1922. I have checked the Norwegian census for my grandfather (Isak Melo or Meloe- born 1883) depending on how they spelled it and I have found him and my great grandmother, Maren Melo but not my great grandfather. Apparently, he must have died earlier on. It seems that the census just goes up to 1910. Is there any way to access the census for later dates like 1920?
My grandmother, Hilda Larsen-born -3-31-1886-I found-but her name is spelled Hildo Larsen-I am almost positive her mother's name was Amanda. And I know for a fact that they lived in Selbu which is where I found her in the 1900 census. But she is not in the 1910 census at all!
My Aunt Ingeborg Melo (Meloe) was born in 1911 so I figured she married by then but she is not even listed as Hilda Melo either. My grandfather (listed as unmarried) is in the 1910 census so it is a bit of a mystery to me. I figure if I can get a hold of a later census perhaps I can figure it out. I can't find the birth certificates. I am on ancestry.com but the Norwegian info is scarce there.
The family did not emigrate to America until 1927-28.
Thanks for the help! :)
Erica
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Hi!
National Censuses are unfortunately banned for 100 years, so the next one will be in 2020!
..but you have provided so much information that I am quite confident that the Rootschat community will be able to dig out more details for you!
jan in Norway
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Thanks Jan for your help. I appreciate it! 100 years wow! Kind of makes detectives out of all of us. Wonder where I can access the 1920 census if it's available on the web. I did a bit more searching on my grandmother Hilda Larsen and her family in the 1910 census and NO ONE appears at all in the census. Kind of strange. Out of like 8 people in her family you would think someone would appear. I remember my father saying that my her father was the blacksmith to the King (not sure if I believed him at the time!) but I figure maybe if that was the case, they disappeared from the census takers???
Oh well...
Erica
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Unfortunately registers for Kristiansund for your grandfather's Isak's birth are very damaged so it is difficult to find the father's name. There is a bit more on the confirmation register here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6800&idx_id=6800&uid=ny&idx_side=-118 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6800&idx_id=6800&uid=ny&idx_side=-118) no 61 Isak Bernhard
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Here is the baptism no 26 but you cannot see either parents name.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6419&idx_id=6419&uid=ny&idx_side=-64 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6419&idx_id=6419&uid=ny&idx_side=-64)
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But I've found their marriage http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5314&idx_id=5314&uid=ny&idx_side=-10 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5314&idx_id=5314&uid=ny&idx_side=-10) 9 Sep 188
His name is Johan Nils Isaksen. Unfortunately their fathers' name can't be found
Here he is in 1865
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=205&personpostnr=2190&merk=2190#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=205&personpostnr=2190&merk=2190#ovre)
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Thank you so much! It is indeed tough to read! My father told me that my grandfather was once an Isacson (spelling?) and I am wondering when and if they were allowed to change their name to Melo. My father told me that he thought my grandfather changed his name to Melo from Isacson. (because of the island of Meloy (?) ) How did you come about these resources?
That is so kind of you to help! :)
Am still wondering about my grandmother Larsen. I may have to make a call the Norway at some point
Thanks to all in advance! :)
Erica
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I believe my grandfather's mother's name was Maren. It's in the census of 1900 and 1910 and you can make it out on the marriage cert. -in the link above-can't make out her maiden name though on the link. Maybe with a magnifying glass. :)
Erica
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Isak appears to be here in 1885:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f81503&gardpostnr=280&personpostnr=3261#nedre
His mother is a widow, is it "Maren Pedersen" the burnt book reads, kaysii?
J
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Thanks for the link! It appears the my great grandmother Maren Melo was a widow for a while and that my grandfather Isak Melo was two or younger when his father died (from the link above I assume the father was Johan Nils Isaksen Melo).
I am trying to find some more info on my great grandfather (Johan Nils) but it is hard.
Does anybody know the origin of Melo or Meloe? It seems that most of the names end in sen etc but mine ends in o or oe depending. My father told me it was from an island in Norway.
But I am trying to trace the Melo name back and it is hard when my great grandfather has a name of Isaksen Melo. Was Isaksen also his last name???
You all have been so helpful!! :)
Thank you!!
Erica
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Two more of your ggran father's siblings:
Oline Ragna Isaksd Meløen
1863 f. Kristiansund, Møre og Romsdal
Johanna Isaksdatter Meløen
1866 f. Kristiansund, Møre og Romsdal
Haven't checked it against the registers though!
J
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Apparently Johan Isaksen Melø died Feb 6, 1885.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5313&idx_id=5313&uid=ny&idx_side=-41
His death was caused by a blow to his head,
J
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Thank you ever so much! Wow, a blow to the head. :( Wonder how that happened??
I saw the Meloen also and thought that perhaps they were related and then when I saw the Isak I thought that was even more of a possibility.
But wondering how the Meloen is related to the Melo (Meloe)? Can names change like that?
Thanks!
Erica
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I am wondering when and if they were allowed to change their name to Melo. My father told me that he thought my grandfather changed his name to Melo from Isacson. (because of the island of Meloy (?) ) How did you come about these resources?
Many people used the patronymic as a surname. Others used a placename and it was not an issue of being allowed. The resources I used can be found at the digital Norwegian archives. http://arkivverket.no/eng/content/view/full/629 (http://arkivverket.no/eng/content/view/full/629).
kaysii
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Isak appears to be here in 1885:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f81503&gardpostnr=280&personpostnr=3261#nedre
His mother is a widow, is it "Maren Pedersen" the burnt book reads, kaysii?
J
I think the name is Maren Gjertine Pettersen. I think it gives her birthdate as 11 May 1854 and she was born in Fredo. I think this is her baptism here second from the top http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6413&idx_id=6413&uid=ny&idx_side=-149 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6413&idx_id=6413&uid=ny&idx_side=-149)
The parents were unmarried Her father is Isak Pettersen and her mother Bereth Christensdatter.
Here they are in 1865 now married.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=17&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=430&personpostnr=4469&merk=4469#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=17&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=430&personpostnr=4469&merk=4469#ovre)
I think that Maren in 1885 is living with her father and I assume his second wife.
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I am trying to find some more info on my great grandfather (Johan Nils) but it is hard.
Erica
The 1865 census link I gave you gives Johan Nils father's name as Isak Andersen and his wife Marie Olsdatter born in Tingvold. Isak Andersen's widowed mother Bergitte Olsdatter is living with them. This needs further confirmation but this maybe her in 1801
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011553&gardpostnr=327&personpostnr=4237&merk=4237#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011553&gardpostnr=327&personpostnr=4237&merk=4237#ovre)
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Am still wondering about my grandmother Larsen.
You said you found her here in 1900 census in Selbu.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f01664&gardpostnr=753&personpostnr=4545&merk=4545#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f01664&gardpostnr=753&personpostnr=4545&merk=4545#ovre)
Here is her father in 1865 http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=20&filnamn=f61664&gardpostnr=859&personpostnr=4719&merk=4719#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=20&filnamn=f61664&gardpostnr=859&personpostnr=4719&merk=4719#ovre).
Here is the family in 1910, but Hilda is not living there.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036850005053 (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036850005053)
Could this be Hilda in Bergen in 1910 but it gives her birthdate as 29 Mar 1886 in Christiania.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036708071650 (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036708071650)
Here is the family before Hilda was born in Christiania in 1885
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=f80301&gardpostnr=5064&personpostnr=112258&merk=112258#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=f80301&gardpostnr=5064&personpostnr=112258&merk=112258#ovre)
Here is her baptism at Paulus in Christiania in 1886
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7195&idx_id=7195&uid=ny&idx_side=-354 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7195&idx_id=7195&uid=ny&idx_side=-354)
Her mother's maiden name Amanda Johannesen
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Here is your grandparents marriage record in Nykirke Bergen
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=vi12011912ny&gardpostnr=245#nedre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=vi12011912ny&gardpostnr=245#nedre)
and in the register
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2019&idx_id=2019&uid=ny&idx_side=-154 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2019&idx_id=2019&uid=ny&idx_side=-154)
The register is clearer that your grandfather's name is Isak Bernhard Melø
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Hi Kaysii,
Thank you very much for all these resources! :) You are so kind!! I was checking today through the parish registers and felt like I was spinning my wheels as my Norwegian is so poor. Although I know the birthplaces of most of my relatives, I did not know the parishes.
I think that is my grandmother Hilda Larsen in 1910 in Bergen. My father was born there and 1886 is her birth year and I know her birthdate to be 3/31 so it's close enough.
It's ironic that her mother's maiden is Johannesen, because that is my sister's married name!
Thanks for the further information on my great great grandfather Isak Anderson. So my great grandfather is named Johan Nils Isaksen Melø And my grandfather is Isak Melø.
This may be asking alot-you have been so helpful -but how did the Melø come in?? Was Melø a farm of some sort? or and island? You had mentioned that sometimes they use a patronymic. Not sure what that is?
I can't thank you enough for all of your help-you have helped me get started to get a glimpse of my father's side of the family that I am excited to pursue! :)
Erica
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There is a place Meløy in Kristiansund. I found it by magnifying up the area on the map here
http://beta.norgeskart.no/#5/227633/7071852/+land (http://beta.norgeskart.no/#5/227633/7071852/+land)
I guess Isak Andersen your gg grandfather took the surname Melø at some point between 1865
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=205&personpostnr=2190&merk=2190#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61503&gardpostnr=205&personpostnr=2190&merk=2190#ovre)
and 1885 http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=f81503&gardpostnr=266&personpostnr=3078&merk=3078#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=f81503&gardpostnr=266&personpostnr=3078&merk=3078#ovre)
I don't know if he was born there or was living there at the time.
If he had taken his patronymic Andersen (son of Anders) as a surname that would mean that Johan would be Johan Nils Andersen and his son Isak (your grandfather) would also be Isak Andersen.
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Hi Kaysii,
Thanks for the clarification. My grandmother's line is becoming a bit clearer-I will have to search more for her father Haldo.
The only thing I have a question or need clarification is: Is in the 1865 Census, my great great grandfather, Isaac Anderson used his name Anderson. But in the 1885 census, he used the name Isaac Melo. I am wondering if that is the same person. The birth dates fit. So it would seem so.
It just makes it very confusing when they keep changing their surnames like that! :)
Thank you!
Erica
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Many people did not use a surname at this period and in the late 19th century most families adopted a surname either using a patronymic or a place name. Your gg grandfather chose to use a place name. In 1865 you can tell that he has not yet adopted a surname as his wife is using her patronymic Olsdatter (daughter of Ole) and their children are using Isaksen/Isaksdatter as their patronymic. If he was using Andersen as a surname all of them would be called Andersen.
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If you look at your g grandfather Haldo Larsen. You can see that in 1865 (the link provided before) he is living on a farm Aftretsaasen in Selbu with his father Lars Thomasen and his mother Ingebor Nielsdatter as you can see that they are using patronymics only.
In 1875 he is in Trondheim and his name is written as Haldor Larsen Aftved, (he's an apprentice glass worker).
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f71601&gardpostnr=413&personpostnr=5459&merk=5459#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f71601&gardpostnr=413&personpostnr=5459&merk=5459#ovre)
There's a ? after his name I assume because the transcriber was not sure of the name. As the farm name is a bit awkward, I can only assume he chose to use the surname Larsen eventually.
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If you are wishing to research your grandmother's line, you can find her father's Haldo's marriage 18 Nov 1883 in Domkirke in Christiania (Oslo) on family search. It gives their birth dates 22 June 1856 for Haldo and 12 July 1865 for Amanda and their fathers' names Lars Thomasen and Johan Olsen. It also means it will be quite easy to find the marriage record in the parish register. Likewise the registers of Selbu seem to be transcribed and the ones I've had a quick look through seem to be undamaged compared to those of Kristiansund.
If you need any help locating them let us know and we can help. Kaysii
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I've found on a Norwegian forum board from a few years back a discussion on Lars Thomasen's family http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?p=231053&highlight=haldo+larsen#231053 (http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?p=231053&highlight=haldo+larsen#231053). The one who started the thread was researching the ancestors of a colleague of his who was descended from Haldo and Amanda Larsen.
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Hi Kaysii,
Thank you again for all of your help! Now I am beginning to understand how the last names are used! I am going to do some searching this weekend. I am on family search.org but have often found them to be not so helpful, but maybe my search parameters were not so specific. The same with ancestry.com. The Norwegian side of my family has been difficult to find with them. My mother's side, who is Irish, was far easier!
I truly appreciate your help-I can't thank you enough for helping me achieve a glimpse into my Norwegian family that I would not have been able to get without your help! My father was born in Bergen, 1922 (Torleif Meloe) and would love to get a look a his birth certificate along with his siblings. He has since passed away-I do not know the parish-what would be a good parish register to check under? I have been checking but have found nothing. But certainly I have not exhausted all resources just yet! :)
I checked out the link that you sent on who was researching Haldo and Amanda Larsen and it was 2005. That was most interesting for me, because whoever was looking for them could be related to me. But it was so long ago and it was on a Norwegian forum and I, of course, do not speak the language. :(
Millions of thanks!
Erica
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No easy way to find the right parish unless you know their address and guess where they may have baptised the baby. But I did find it here no 132
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2103&idx_id=2103&uid=ny&idx_side=-133 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2103&idx_id=2103&uid=ny&idx_side=-133)
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Excellent!! I see that it is from Sandviken, hopefully his brothers and sisters were baptized there as well! I will check!
I am now going to go back further to the great great great part of the family-this will be a journey! I am starting to trace forward to some of the living relatives as well, it is interesting that you can find more about the dead than the living.
Thank you so much for your help!!
Erica
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If there were some children born just after the marriage you might also want to look at Nykirke where they got married. Good luck with your research!
kaysii
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Hey Kaysii,
Thanks again for the links! I have begun filling in the blanks up to the gr gr gr father and mothers's side but seemed to have hit a snag with the Melo side. I have gotten to Isaac Anderson (Melo) who was married to Marie Olsdatter. They seem to have been both born in 1824. And with the link you sent me- Isaac's mother in the 1865 census is also named Olsdatter. Bergitte Olsdatter. In that census, they are all living together-she is widowed. According to her age, she must have been born about 1800 or so.
I am trying to find her husband's name. I assume the first name is Anders (since Isaac's last name is Anderson). I have searched through the Archives but there are so many people with the first name of Anders born about that time! :(
I tried looking in the parish registers for Isaac Anderson's birth/baptism records to see the parents names but it was difficult because of the language.
Any ideas? Sorry, to keep asking these questions!! :)
Erica
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I just went in and did a search on family search.org for Isaac Anderson born 1824 etc and found some listings under Isaac Andreason Meloen and other variations with Marie Olsdatter as his wife and some of the children matched. Although I did not see Johan Nils. It seems that the father is Andreas Isaaksen. So I guess Anderson is Andreason? Everything seems to match, even his mom's name as Birgitte.
Erica
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Haven't found the baptism but the confirmation of Isak Oluf Andreasen is here no.25
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16106&idx_id=16106&uid=ny&idx_side=-123 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16106&idx_id=16106&uid=ny&idx_side=-123)
It makes a lot of sense that his father was Andreas as Isak calls his first born son Andreas and not Anders.
He was born 9 April 1824. Kristiansund was part of Kvernes parish, but it has been difficult to find out which of the related parishes he was baptised in.
I found Isak's and Marie's marriage in 1852 which is unfortunately is at the bottom of the page and much info is lost including her father's full name which will make tracing her a little more problematic
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6413&idx_id=6413&uid=ny&idx_side=-263 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6413&idx_id=6413&uid=ny&idx_side=-263)
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This is probably Andreas Isaksen in the 1801 census
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f18011553&gardpostnr=355&personpostnr=4475&merk=4475#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f18011553&gardpostnr=355&personpostnr=4475&merk=4475#ovre)
His baptism is here on the right side. Born 5 Nov 1795 and baptised on the the 9th Novhttp://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2283&idx_id=2283&uid=ny&idx_side=-230 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2283&idx_id=2283&uid=ny&idx_side=-230)
Here is a possible for Birgithe here born Aug 10 bap Aug 18 1799 to parents Ole Johanneson and Ane Ingebriktsdatter but I've not found them on the 1801 census.
There are other children born to Bergitha and Andreas that can be found on family search, but I cannot find either their marriage or Isak's baptism record, there is either a register missing somewhere or they were married elsewhere. There is a son Johan born in 1826 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16102&idx_id=16102&uid=ny&idx_side=-49 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16102&idx_id=16102&uid=ny&idx_side=-49)
and there is a Ragnhild Olsdatter as a witness to his baptism who is possibly a sister of Bergitta. If her parents are those found above, they also have a daughter Ragnhild born in 1796
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Wow, you're good! That's amazing! I think I went back 7 generations with that one! It's kind of funny, when you want to find out where your name came from , in my case , Meloe-you end up in a totally different place! I think my lack of Norwegian is limiting me here. I am really thankful for your help. They should have a language course in Norwegian Genealogy! :)
I was able to locate today the headstones of my great grandmother Maren Meloe and my great Uncle Otto Larsen. What a thrill! They actually have the photos on a genealogy project in Norway.
I remember when I was in Bergen awhile back visiting my father's house with him-we visited Uncle Otto and Aunt Olive in Trondheim and met some cousins. Their names were Trond Arve and Jan Uwe. I assume they are Larsens. I do not know the names of Uncle Otto's children-cannot find them on family search or ancestry. ( to see who their children were) Once again, while you are alive-tough to find!
We also met some cousins David and Tove, also do not remember their last names!ugh!
I have searched on Facebook for Trond Arve Larsen but the faces do not match but granted he was young when I met him.
So thankful for your help! I think I may be getting the hang of the census but the parish registry just gets me because of the language! :)
Erica
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Realised I hadn't included baptism record of Birgitta Olsdatter
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2283&idx_id=2283&uid=ny&idx_side=-233 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2283&idx_id=2283&uid=ny&idx_side=-233)
Here is the confirmation record in 1815. Unfortunately parents names were not recorded at this time. She appears to be living at ?valvig
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2283&idx_id=2283&uid=ny&idx_side=-180 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2283&idx_id=2283&uid=ny&idx_side=-180)
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Thanks Kaysii! Still working on Otto Larsen (born 1907) and his children-don't know their names-will check family search. His wife's name was Olive -don't know her maiden name.
Erica :)