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Hello
I am looking for a birth of Peter Joseph Lynskey about 1860 to a Patrick Lynskey and Bridget (something like Cavanaugh) in County Mayo.
I don't know how to look or where, or if I have any chance of finding this info.
Thanks
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Hello Never heard of a town or civil parish Cavanaugh. In Mayo Have heard the surname Cavanaugh.
In Ballinrobe there is a cavan and cavanquqter.
Lep.
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Hello Lep
On no sorry - I meant Bridget's maiden name was something like Cavanaugh - Thanks Lep
Peter Lynskey's son John Redmond Lynsky wrote the song Christmas in Killarney - made famous in the USA by Bing Crosby. I am thinking that that may be a way to find his Grandparents Patrick and Bridget in Ireland - John became very well known here in the US (NYC) for his singer/songwriter/composer work. He has over 500 songs on ASCAP and he is a son of Mayo so to speak.......also he wrote religious songs in his later yrs. Any ideas?
Mary
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Hello Mary,
Your John Redmond Lynskey was indeed a remarkable man I see he was born in 1906.and grew
up in Clinton MA.
So you say Bridget the G/Mother was a nee Cavanaugh. What proof do you have that the G/Parents were born in Mayo.
Peter Lynskey was the son of Patrick and Bridget nee Cavanaugh Peter's son was John Redmond Lynskey. Have I got that right :D
Lep:
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There is a Peter Lynskey born in Mayo in 1856 to a PL and BL - http://www.mayoancestors.com/default.aspx?SID=1256804&Type=BI
This is a pay per view site. The PL could stand for Patrick Lynskey, however, the BL looks like it could be Bridget Lynskey, i.e. the priest did not give the mother's maiden name, just her married name. There is a search for marriages on this site as well but I could not find a marriage between a Patrick Lynskey and a Bridget.
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Yes Lep - you got that right.
The one shred of evidence I have is a son of Peter, Paul Joseph Lynskey said his father was born in County Mayo on his WWI Draft Registration.
I am thinking that somehow the news of John's music made it back home to their hometown. MAYBE.
His religious music put the Sacraments to music and he was recognized by citation by the Cardinal in Boston MA - he created quite a stir in the Catholic Church by making music of Tin Pan Alley Style Children's religious music to bring the children back to the church - late 1950's.
Yes John one of 11 children grew up in Clinton MA - it sounds as if you know of Clinton - maybe you saw my tree on ancestry.......
Murney:
I will try to check that link you sent. Thank you. I appreciate your help.
-Mary
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Hi Mary,
is that Peter who married Sarah Rowbottom in Oldham? He is Peter William on his marriage certificate. For Mayo researchers, his father is Patrick Linskey, shepherd, deceased.
Just noticed that is your tree :)
I think I also saw a published tree which said that Bridget was Foy. :-\
heywood
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Hi Heywood
Yes thanks for your help too - Yes - both my entries - I was just trying the name Foy - did not know it was still there online - thanks - a Jennie Foy that I cannot locate was my Gram's Maid of Honor - so I thought maybe Bridget maiden name might be Foy - a long shot - yes - I know - I am relatively new at this game so forgive me........
I am just trying whatever I can to find their home in Ireland - yes so Peter left Ireland at some point and looked for work in England.........he knocked on the door of Thomas Rowbottom looking for a room to rent......my Great Gram Sarah Rowbottom answered the door and yelled to her Dad Thomas - "He's here"..................she loved to tell the story..........not the man looking to rent a room but rather 'the man she would soon marry' or so the family story goes...... I do not know if Patrick and Bridget were in England - they may have died there in England - seems to make sense - they left Ireland as a family then Peter married Sarah Rowbottom in Oldham England 1886 and then they got on the boat to America also in 1886..........Sarah's sister Elizabeth was caught up in a family scandal - her 1st husband already had a 1st wife and 9 other children - he went to jail for 5 yrs. I do have 5 press pieces about the bigamy but they are not in my tree yet that a friend sent to me from England. - Mary
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What a lovely story about their meeting :)
I can't see any Lynskey/Linskey in the Tonge area in 1881 or 1891. The address has Irish born folk/lodgers in 1881 and in 1891 is classed as a lodging house. I was hoping that someone would be from Mayo.
Tonge was in the Oldham registration district but is part of Middleton and they married in St Peter's Middleton.
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Thanks Heywood - I love that story too and it was just told to me by another of Peter's US Descendants - who is priest not too far from me in Worcester County MA. HIs Gram - my Great Gram was Sarah - especially the part about how she loved to tell it over and over.....
Oh so St Peter's in Middleton -I may have the wrong pic of a church I thought was the right St Peters in my tree then - I'll have to recheck that
Thanks a bunch Heywood - I am also trying to find Thomas Rowbottom's birth and death - all I know is he married in 1851 in Greenwich and his father was Joseph and I have some of his service record but maybe not all of it but he was in 20 yrs.. Royal Artillary
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Hopefully this will show it http://www.panoramio.com/photo/17231479
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Giggle - yes - so what do you know I did have the right church - on the link you sent me I could zoom right in to the church in the map to the right - imagine huh? I can't wait until the 'wayback' machine can take me there in 1886 - giggle belly laugh! Thanks again Heywood!
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I used to go to mass there occasionally many years ago!
I can't see Thomas and Bridget in 1891 census :-\ There is a death for a Bridget of the right age in 1899 in Barton upon Irwell but you have them emigrating so did they die in USA?
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No - I know she was still alive in 1904 as she went to get a copy of Thomas' Service record - that record is in my tree - do you have experience interpreting those records - maybe you could take a look at it - under Thomas' profile - I am not sure if she died in England or the US...........I think she was trying to collect more aide beyond the pension....
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The only military record I see is his Crimean war service award - is that the record?
I also see the two journeys for Bridget to USA on Ellis Island site - presumably that is her.
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Yes I believe that is her visiting her daughter in New Bedford MA -
Oh sorry I have pics of the scanned military record in the pictures under Thomas Rowbottom in my tree - geeze in looking at it again it that a 'discharge' of the pension in 1902 - DOD date of death? if so I missed that before
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Hello Mary,
I loved reading about John Redmond Lynskey.I see when he was 14 years he worked in the Mills.
Just to add. If you take a look at the 1901-1911 census of Ireland Mayo there are about 310 of Lynskey's have a look a name may ring a bell.
There does not appear to be any Cavanaugh's in Mayo. But there is one family in Galway.
Lep:
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Hello again,
Lep just reminded me - when I was searching about John yesterday - his co-writer was a Cavanaugh.
heywood
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Hi Lep
I am happy to hear you enjoyed reading about My Grand Uncle John. I loved him so much. I so love his music. The whole family could play piano by ear except the youngest girl and she learned to read music and became a piano teacher. I cannot carry a note to save my life or play any instrument but I still HEAR the music and LOVE John's notes. He used to come home to our small hometown from NYC and we were all so excited waiting for him - once he came in playing the mandolin and one playing the ukulele - singing away his new songs..........we would all gather round the piano and John and siblings would take turns playing....I was 6-12 yrs then and boy did I love those times - John and his NY model wife had no children and she would come with the high heels - black seamed stockings and a veil hat over her face and fox stoles - we all thought she was really something!
Here is a new link I found recently about John - What a great tribute to his work wow!!! If you haven't seen it - here it is: http://worcestersongs.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-let-song-go-out-of-my-heart.html And this song 'I Let a Song...." Might be my favorite....maybe...
Thanks for your note. -Mary
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What a talented man!
I wonder if contacting Mayo library might help. It does seem strange that there is nothing much about his family roots. http://www.mayolibrary.ie/en/home/index.aspx
heywood
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Why Heywood - Of course! Thanks for the shove in the right direction - I am going to do that right now!
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Hello Mary, And yes Heywood he was a very Talented man.The Bands and songs of today are not a patch in the era of John Redmond Lynskey.and all who sang his songs.
Good Luck with your Irish Family Mary.Grand to meet you the pleasure was all mine.
Lep.
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Hello Heywood.The Library Mayo.
The Taoiseach did launch Music Generation Mayo Library. But it helps Children and young people access Music education.
Lep.
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Lep and Hey
It was fun chatting with you all too and if I find anything about John's roots in Ireland I will come back here and let you all know. Thanks so much for being here! I really love rootschat!
I do know that Killarney has a yr round Xmas festival and their theme song is Christmas in Killarney that John penned here in NYC. Maybe I should contact Killarney Library too.
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Hello Heywood.The Library Mayo.
The Taoiseach did launch Music Generation Mayo Library. But it helps Children and young people access Music education.
Lep.
Good to know :) I was wondering re John's roots - that if his origins were in Mayo, there may be something tucked away.
Good idea also re Killarney - you never know what may turn up.
heywood :)
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NYCNUT
If you try the site Mayo.ie and follow link for what's on, at he National Museum near Turlough,Castlebar Co Mayo an event this Sunday,they also hold monthly Geneology meetings.You may get someone who could look to see if they have any information to help.I have visited the museum when first opened.I see you have Peter's death notice in 1918,do you have a copy of the death cert as sometimes Clinton records show name of Townland they came from not just County of birth also full names of parents.
PS the marriage cert on your tree states Peter William not Peter Joseph as you say.
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Hi Owenwee
I will try the site and your suggestion - yes - near my hometown we have a genealogy group - rather informal, that meet weekly too and I think they would do the same - thank you so much for that idea and the link.
Yes I know about the discrepancy, I did think it WAS Peter William UNTIL his grandson(very recently told me he was indeed named after his grandfather and it was Peter Joseph as his name is Joseph Peter. Joseph never knew his grandfather Peter - so he asked his Aunt - "I was named after Grampa - what was he like?" And the Aunt answered after some thought "He had a lot of friends and he really liked a good time." I have to go back and see about his death record in Clinton - that was when I first started searching and I may have missed soemthing - thank you again! .....back to the basics - yes! I do have to correct my tree on the nest upload...
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Hopefully, with these various links, something will turn up. :)
Owenwee, it's a lovely museum isn't it - well worth a visit. We have been a couple of times now and we had lovely food there also.
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Nycnut
The reply to posting from Murney no 4.
I have looked at the record of that baptism as I had a spare credit.The record shows this Peter Lynskey was christened on 25 Nov 1856,parents listed as Patrick and Bridget Lynskey,the records may indicate only married name of mother or that she was also Lynskey.
The address was Townland of ARDROE in the Roman Catholic Parish of Kilcolman in South Mayo.The sponsors shown where Thomas Costello and Mary Kelly.
That was the only Peter Lynskey birth listed on the site,you have to be aware that the ages of people are often years out.There are no families named Lynskey left in the Townland on the 1901 census.
Heywood
Iam sure the museum has more to see now,i visited when it had only just opened enjoyed it.I must go again on my next visit to Westport hopefully later in year.
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Could these be relatedhttp://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=lynsky&firstname=&offset=80&countyname=MAYO&parishname=&parishname&unionname=&baronyname=&totalrows=98&PlaceID=0&wildcard=
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I tried to send the exact link but don't know if it worked.
On griffiths valuation, there is a Mathew Foy and a Pathrick Lynsky, in Knocksaxon Templemore Co, Mayo.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=lynsky&firstname=&offset=80&countyname=MAYO&parishname=&parishname&unionname=&baronyname=&totalrows=98&PlaceID=0&wildcard=
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Heywood - thanks for using your credit to check the record - I don't know where to go from there - that very well could be them - I know nothing of any siblings to check, I believe Peter Joseph (William left Ireland in the year 1880 and lived in New York for 5 years returning to I think Ireland (could be England) in 1885 - I have a history from Lowell MA(Overseers of the poor) in 1886 that says as much - is there anyway to find those ship lists? Then in 1886 he traveled from England to the US again and as far as I know never went back home again. Not sure if this link will work:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/66261267/person/44149401231/mediax/23?pgnum=1&pg=0&pgpl=pid%7CpgNum
Mary
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Cyril,
I am confused by replying to what post i seems - I wanted to thank you.....
Please see my last post .... -Mary
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Click on link, scroll down to pathrick lynsky, templemore, at the top of the page is a mathew foy.
so it is very likely this could be your lynsky foy connection.
as people years ago usually married someone local.
i think its worth checking out.
cyril
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Cyril,
Oh yes I do see it. First I will try searching for a Matthew Foy - umm and see if I can find the original parish records for Templemore possibly. See Jennie Foy was Peter and Bridget's daughter, Sarah E Lynskey's, Witness at her marriage in 1911 in Clinton MA.
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/66261267/person/44149399646/photox/28?pgnum=2&pg=32816&pgpl=pid%7CpgNum
Mary
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Did you search these before its a further generation back.http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=lynsky&firstname=&county=Mayo&townland=&parish=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=10