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Title: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stapler40 on Sunday 16 June 13 00:13 BST (UK)
Hello all:

Could someone help me out this one: I've got two documents from 1799, both involving the marriage(s) of Isaac Clampitt. The first is from January 2, 1799, states that Isaac Clampitt, a mariner, marries Mary Parr in St. Peters, Liverpool. The second document, dated January 3, shows a marriage between Isaac Clampitt, a mariner, and Ann Holt..but within this second document there is mention of Mary Parr..And this document is in Cheshire.

What am I missing here..Can someone look at these two documents and thanks for the help

Sorry but I've tried to load the documents but the file size is too big..any sugesstions
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 16 June 13 00:31 BST (UK)
This is the Liverpool one and is shown as an intended marriage - not an actual one

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F14W-G3R

Were the witnesses the same on both entries
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 16 June 13 08:44 BST (UK)
Liverpool was in the Diocese of Chester at that time, and the record is of an application for a licence involving a Bond and Allegation.  (Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1606-1900) An application does not mean a marriage took place, as the licence may have been refused for some reason.

Stan
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: heywood on Sunday 16 June 13 08:50 BST (UK)
The marriage to Mary Parr took place at St Peter's Liverpool on 4th January 1799 ( Isaac Clambitt)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN9V-HXS

Heywood
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: heywood on Sunday 16 June 13 09:17 BST (UK)
His wife (presumably as no relationships re given) in 1841 is Mary.
Could you transcribe the part re Ann Holt. It seems odd that you say Mary Parr is mentioned in the second document also.
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 16 June 13 09:38 BST (UK)
The marriage to Mary Parr took place at St Peter's Liverpool on 4th January 1799 ( Isaac Clambitt)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN9V-HXS

Heywood

Then that ties in with the application for a licence on 3rd January 1799, as the marriage could take place as soom as the licence was issued. As Heywood says the part re Ann Holt seems odd.

Stan
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stapler40 on Sunday 16 June 13 17:37 BST (UK)
This is the document outlining the Clampitt-Holt connection, note the mention of a Parr. Still confused here, Thanks for all your help

Stapler40
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stapler40 on Sunday 16 June 13 17:39 BST (UK)
Was this a loan in the amount of 500 pounds between Isaac Clampitt and Ann Holt?
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: Galium on Sunday 16 June 13 17:55 BST (UK)
The people named in the first paragraph of the marriage bond are those who agree to pay £500 if it turns out that the couple should not be married (by reason of consanguinity etc.). 
Usually the groom is one of those named, and often the other bondsman will be a family member.  I've never seen a marriage bond where a woman is the bondsman before, but it appears that in this case it is Ann Holt.
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 16 June 13 20:00 BST (UK)
According to various books some second Bondsman were usually a legal fiction, "John Doe" having offered more collateral than anyone else !!
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,600500.msg4501437.html#msg4501437

Stan
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: snipo on Tuesday 25 February 14 22:54 GMT (UK)
This is the document outlining the Clampitt-Holt connection, note the mention of a Parr. Still confused here, Thanks for all your help

Stapler40
Would you like to get in touch with me? I have just discovered this weekend that Isaac and mary are my 3x grandparents! with regards
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: snipo on Wednesday 26 February 14 18:20 GMT (UK)
Please excuse me  but I am new to this forum and not ofay with the system.
I thought you might be researching the Clampitt family and I thought maybe we could help one another by sharing information.
Sorry to have troubled you if this is not the case. With regards
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 26 February 14 18:47 GMT (UK)
Hello snipo and welcome  :)

stapier40 is the person you would want to communicate with and hopefully he/she will see your post soon.

best wishes

heywood
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: vikiF on Sunday 09 March 14 17:16 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone

As Galium identifies, Ann Holt is named as a Bondsman along with Isaac Clampitt. Both would be jointly responsible for paying the £500 should he choose to skip town without going through with the marriage to Mary Parr or, if it later turned out he was not actually free to marry....... This obligation would also be transferred down to the heirs of named parties so it was a big obligation.

£500 was a lot of money in 1799 but, as Isaac was a sailor from Bovey Tracey, Devon who had arrived in Parkgate and 'fallen in love' - I am guessing that Mary Parr's family may have felt he was quite a flight risk - or that he may not have a whiter than white history!  As it happens, he stayed in Parkgate happily married for the rest of his life, raised a big family and died at the age of 90. Isaac and Mary are my 4xGGrandparents.

Snipo - great to learn we have a family connection and if you want to PM me then I would certainly be happy to share what information i have with you if it I have anthing that may help.

Viki
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: glenclare on Sunday 09 March 14 17:46 GMT (UK)
On the second section of the documents on the previous page there is mention of the date
25th March 1754 ?
What does this refer to ?
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 09 March 14 19:39 GMT (UK)
On the second section of the documents on the previous page there is mention of the date
25th March 1754 ?
What does this refer to ?

Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753, came into force on 25th March 1754. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1753.htm

Stan
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: glenclare on Wednesday 12 March 14 09:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you, Stan
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: Lisamarie on Monday 13 April 20 13:03 BST (UK)
Hi, I started my family tree yesterday and my 5 times great grandfather was Issac Clampitt. My grandfather was William Clampitt who died in 2014. I would love any information please.
Thank you
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: snipo on Monday 13 April 20 13:22 BST (UK)
Hi Lisamarie
Would be happy to share what I have with you.
It would be good if you can give me all the names of your grandfathers back to Isaac, then I can look what I have and forward onto you in an email possibly!?
For now, Collette
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: Lisamarie on Monday 13 April 20 14:25 BST (UK)
Hi there, thank you very much. I would love to see some photos and hear about their jobs etc...
What’s strange is that my grandfather was born in Liverpool and moved to Doncaster where my mum and then myself were born and we all stayed. 10 years ago I moved my family to Devon. We knew nobody here, just fancied it. I actually live 5 miles from Bovey Tracey and I work in Newton Abbot!!
Here’s what I have so far
Lisa (me)
Amanda (my mother)
William (my grandfather)
William
George
Henry
William
Issac
Joseph
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: snipo on Monday 13 April 20 17:54 BST (UK)
 You wont believe this but...I was born in Lpool and came down to Devon in 86! I discovered in 2014 about The Clampitts, I lived in N.A. at one time and now in TQ!!
I have no personnel photo's from before my greatgrandmother but I do have some of other Clampitts.
My email I will pm you
I look forward to hearing from you
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: Lisamarie on Monday 13 April 20 18:03 BST (UK)
Blimey! That is crazy!!
I am directly descended from what I sent you. My mum (a Clampitt) to my grandad (her dad William Clampitt) and then every dad upwards to Joseph Clampitt in 1720 (Issac was Joseph’s son) The tree easily went up via the Clampitts and what I sent you was my direct line!
I can’t believe all this !! X
Title: Re: Issac Clampitt..Bigamist?
Post by: Bregantia on Saturday 18 April 20 14:46 BST (UK)
Parish record
Marriage: 4 Jan 1799 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Isaac Clampett - Mariner, Liverpool
Mary Parr - Spinster, Liverpool
    Witness: Elizabeth Clampitt; Abram. Critchlow
    Married by Licence by: George Monk, Curate
    Register: Marriages 1797 - 1799, Page 203, Entry 7
    Source: LDS Film 1656574