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I have a marriage.
Benjamin WEBB married Caroline WEBB on 10 Jul 1872 in Eaglehawk, Victoria.
They had 7 children and then Caroline died in 1888.
Benjamin went on and re-married and had more children.
Fresh eyes on this would be nice, thanks in advance. Cheers Ted
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Hi Ted,
Sorry unless I've missed something 8) - what are we looking at / for?
Is it that you are you unsure if the Benjamin who 'remarried' (to whom and when?) is actually your Benjamin who was widowed by Caroline in 1888?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Sorry Ambly - should have explained better.
I am looking for a link between Benjamin and Caroline WEBB before they married. I cannot find either of their births.
I am trying to figure out whether I can afford/justify buying their marriage cert. and just thought I might ask for some help before I make up my mind.
Thanks for looking and taking and interest, cheers Ted
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Hi Ted
Oh, I see now! 8) ;D - both surname WEBB
The 1872 Marriage notice says she was Miss 'of Rochester' and he was of Raywood.
Australia Death
Caroline WEBB
Died Mitiamo (also listed as: Mologa), Victoria 1888 age 39 (b abt 1849)
Parents: Richard WEBB and Maria TELFORD
She died 29th Sept 1888 at Hyanmi near Mitiamo
http://shrinkalink.com/64802
This is her brother:
William Telford WEBB 1842-1911
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/webb-william-telford-4824
He died in St Kilda, but was on holiday there from Rochester.
Besides William & Caroline, there were 4 other siblings.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Australia Death Index:
Benj. WEBB, age 52
Died 1894, Bingo, Victoria (Bendigo?)
Father: Jos.
Mother: Matilda NOYES
'Noyce' was a middle name of 2 of his children.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/94JC-4QN
IGI:
Joseph WEBB b 19 Jul 1806, d 30 May 1871, Beenham, Berks.
Matilda NOYES b 1808 Tadley Hampshire, died Jan 1885, Mortimer Hampshire
MARRIED 13 Nov 1836, Reading
ISSUE:
Benjamin Born 10 Dec 1842, Beenham Lodge, Berkshire, died 24 Dec 1894, Bendigo
Cheers
AMBLY
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My Webb ancestors come from Tadley. Do not have a Benjamin, but there were rather a lot of them. Tadley is in the very north of Hampshire so they often strayed over the border to Berkshire.
Try searching Webb Family Tadley Hampshire. I once found a website. They also seem to crop up on FamilySearch.
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The marriage registration gives their places of birth:
WEBB Benjamin (born BERKSHIRE) m. WEBB Caroline (born KINGS CO) 1872 #3113
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Benjamin WEBB (1842-94) and Caroline WEBB nee WEBB (1848-88) of Raywood and later Mologa, Victoria, Australia were my great grandparents. They met when Benjamin selected land across the road from Caroline's brother John WEBB (1840-1918), in the land parish boundary of Hayanmi and Mologa in 1868. Benjamin was born at Hillfoot House, Beenham, Berkshire, England and I believe Caroline was born at Killenmore House, Geashill, Offaly (Kings County) Ireland.
Benjamin had an older brother Robert Elisha Thomas WEBB (1833-96) who migrated to Victoria, Australia in 1852/53 and Benjamin followed in 1865 on board the City of Melbourne. Benjamin settled at Raywood in the late 1860s, working with Robert's brother in law David WOOD (1833-71) who was (one the town's first?) blacksmiths. Robert WEBB settled at Kingower and later Rheola as a baker.
Caroline came with her parents and five siblings on board the Great Britain in 1858/59. Caroline's parents, Richard (1813-71) and Maria WEBB (1815-1901) first settled at Spring Hill, south of Kyneton and then between 1867 and 1871 their extended family moved to Naneella and Echuca South.
There are six registered WEBB vs WEBB marriages in Victoria, Australia prior to 1888. These represent three ceremonies and six WEBB persons. Their other two couples were marriages whereby a widow or widower married a brother in law or a cousin of their former spouses.
Benjamin and Caroline's marriage certificate clearly states "of no relation". Benjamin's family originate from Chapel Row, Bucklebury, Berkshire from the earliest parish records in 1539.
Richard WEBB (1813-71) had three siblings (or descendants there of) who migrated to Australia. The first was niece Charlotte Elizabeth WEBB (1831-1907) who travelled via Adelaide in 1952 and married in 1854 to Thomas Thomas RUNDLE. This family settled around Sedgwick, Victoria and later Kerang. Charlotte's parents (Joseph Bloomfield WEBB 1808-79?) and their three sons stopped in Victoria on route to New Zealand in 1864, when they settled in Hamilton, North Island. Their remaining sister and six nephews/nieces settled in Melbourne and around Spring Hill, Kyneton, Victoria (and later Cohuna and Sydney, NSW) shortly after 1860.
Richard WEBB's (1813-71) parents were reputedly John WEBB and Catherine BLOOMFIELD.
I believe this Irish WEBB family has some connection to Major St Laurence WEBB who settled near Indented Head in 1840 and Richard Ponsby WEBB, who are descendants of a George WEBB (died 1800) and originally from Trumpington, England.
Joseph Bloomfield WEBB (1808-79?) was married to a woman whose maiden name was DUDLEY. This name appears several times in the above mentioned family and one of Benjamin and Caroline WEBB's children lived next door to a descendant of this family in Geelong around 1918, however to date I can find no defined link.
This same family had a number of sons who were in the British Army and Richard WEBB's (1813-71) father in law was William TELFORD (1796-1973) of Clara, Offaly and later Dublin and he was also a commissioned officer (Major) in the army. Perhaps Richard WEBB and Maria TELFORD married abroad?
Both Caroline and Benjamin WEBB's ancestors were very much protestant, but if they were connected, this connection was well prior to 1750.
Hope that clears things up.
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Benjamin WEBB's parents were Joseph WEBB (1806-1871) and Martha NOYES (1808-1885) of Hillfoot Farm, Beenham, Berks. Joseph was the youngest child and second Joseph of Elisha WEBB (1755-1810) and Judith HAM (1761-1834). The WEBBs built Hillfoot House in 1737.
Martha NOYES was the second oldest child of Benjamin NOYES (1783-1867) and Elizabeth HAM (1786-1877) of Little London, Tadley, Hampshire.
Elizabeth HAM (1786-1877) was the niece of Judith HAM (1761-1834). All but one of Elisha and Judith's ten children were christian/baptised at the Tadley Primitive Methodist Church. From the 17th century, the WEBB family followed a number of minor religions, including the Countess of Huntingdon - Selina HASTINGS (1701-1791).
The HAMs were from Strathfield Mortimer on the Hampshire/Berkshire border. Judith's father Robert HAM (1720-1790) was a carpenter apprenticed to Richard MAYER of Bramley in 1738. Just how Elisha WEBB came to meet and marry her in 1783, however he is believed to have had son connection or been working for a Caleb WEBB of Bramley. Elisha returned to Hillfoot Farm after his father Robert WEBB (1714-1788) died.
The WEBB family has been traced back to Robert WEBB's ggggg grandfather, Richard WEBBE (?-1544) of Chapel Row, Bucklebury, Berks. There were many branches to the WEBB tree between 1544 and 1800, it is possible some lived in Tadley, but there was also a WEBB family living at Beenham Lodge who had no connection to our family (at least after 1685) so we should never assume.
Regards,
Self
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Hi
I am researching my tree for the Webbs who finally ended up in New Zealand (my maternal grandfather's ancestry). We've got as far back as George Webb, b. 1690 in Trumpington, Cambridgeshire. His son, also George, (b. 1729 in Trumpington) is the one who went to Ireland. The family is listed in Burke's Peerage as being "Webb of Caheragh House" and the listing goes on to explain who George's "issue" were. I have copied the weblink to the Burke's entry FYI. I am still researching, hope to get back further that 1690 but this may involve a visit to Cambridge.
https://books.google.it/books?id=iWRHAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1543&dq=thomas+montgomerie+webb+westmeath&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDIQ6AEwA2oVChMIq_GdqrjTxwIVCj4UCh2DNgZb#v=onepage&q=thomas%20montgomerie%20webb%20westmeath&f=false
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The surname Webb is quite common, in the 19th century it made up approx 0.1 per cent (or one in 1000) of the population.
Richard Webb who died on the 15th of October 1871 at nannella near Rochester, Victoria. His death certificate's informant was his son in law William Alexander (1837-1904). As per the certificate it states he was married at Rahan, kings county in 1839 aged 26 yrs. this was were his father in law William telford's property was.
His wife Maria Webb nee Telford (1815-1901) States they were married at tella more which is the nearest major town.
Richard webb's parents are listed as Richard Webb - farmer. Mother unknown. His wife is listed as kate Bloomfield.
Richard's sister Catherine finnamore (1795-1880) who died at koondrook, Victoria names her parents as John Webb - farmer & Catherine Bloomfield. She was 35 yrs old when she married Thomas finnamore at Dublin. Other records nominate Catherine's yr of birth as 1805. Her certificate's informant was her grandson.
Richard and Maria webb's youngest child The Webbs finnamores and Telford were all prodestant and much of these records are lost. Their youngest child Maria Webb (1850-1937) was baptised at gears hill.
Mrsmaria webb's obituary states the family were from killeenmore house, killeigh.
There was Richard John Webb who was born at bloomville, kings in 1819. This Richard Webb was part of the family who descend from George Webb (-1700) of trumping ton,Cambridge and later Ireland. This six years later than all the other records about my Richard. Maria's father in law William Telford (1796-1873) was only 16 yrs old when he married his wife Eliza knaggs, some of the family's men did marry young and his mother was 5 yrs older than his father. Perhaps my Richard Webb (1813-1871) was six yrs younger and he or his family put his age up to bring it back before his wife' s yr of birth. This was a common practice.
My second theory is my Richard Webb (1813-1871) was a us recorded illegitimite son of the same Webb family.
I really don,t except to say I don't believe he came from a poor family. The Telford definitely had plenty and I can't see Richard Webb (1813-71) marrying too far above himself.
Regards,
Self