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Dear Forum,
I am seeking further information on George PERRINS, married Sarah PERKS perhaps 08.10.1771. Sarah the daughter of Joseph (posible owner of Hare and Hounds Inn at Careless Green, Old Swinford 1740). I have not been able to locate any details on this Inn. Does it still exist as a different name?
George PERRINS founded a Chain and Nail Manufacturing Building in 1770 at Careles Green, and lived in Careless Green House, again I cannot locate this property or any details as to the location of the Factory. I would like to know more about his parents. His son Thomas inherited the business in 1852 when George died.
Any information related to these family lines much appreciated.
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is this the Hare & Hounds? - http://midlandspubs.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/hare-and-hounds-at-wollescote.html
Best wishes
Maria
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Good Morning
Just a few snippets.
1798 land redemption tax Old Swinford
George Perrins owning and occupying land for 6 ' 51/2 d
Careless Green House,45 Oldnall Road is a listed building -Dudley council's website.(doesn't tell you anything else)Apparently the history writer Don Cochrane grew up there ,so he might have some old photos.
They is information on the Hare and Hounds Careless Green on the Black Country history website.
Sale details 1920,Letters re the estate of Mrs Isabella Hodgetts estate concerning it.1926.
Also details Thomas Perrins and Company Careless Green takeover in 1953 by Hingley's
Possible baptism for George Perrins Old Swinford 27.10.1734 to Thomas and Margaret.Perrins.
Getting his Will from Worcestershire archives ,if he made one ,may help .You also ask about other wills Perrins in the area,one might be dad.Thomas is in the trade directories from 1820,and there is a burial at Old Swinford 23.4.1822 which may be him.
There is a photo of the works on flickr but it's inside.
The business was supposedly in Perrins Lane.
Seem to remember a series of CD's on Black country pubs by Phil Hilborough? Photos,trade directories,licences etc.I know Smethwick archives have a copy.Should have Hare and Hounds on there.
Not sure how helpful all that is.
Ciderdrinker
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Many thanks for all details, great info, knew I could get more, regards Jason
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Hi Jason
Went home over the weekend and got out my printed copy of Old Swinford parish records.
Burial for wife Sarah 15.2.1808 age 53 which would make her born 1755,just possible.
Son John bapt 31.1.1776 buried 2.12.1801.
The copy only goes up to 1819 for burials ,so can't give an age for George I'm afraid.
The headstone for Thomas Perrins died 1851 age 67 is still in Old Swinford but no other details.It's section D row g no 13 next to another Thomas died 1879 age 64.George is on row e no 13 no dates .next to a cage burial.
Poor law records
Abel Perks anvil maker(died 17.8.1792).George Perrins gearmaker and Richard Pearson labourer pay a bond of £40 for the male bastard son of Ann pearson born 23.7.1786 .Bound unto Joseph Collins yeoman and Ross? Perry nailor.
1769 George Perrins taken on as an apprentice by Joseph Green of Wollaston baker until 21 or married .So he started as a baker's apprentice.The implication is that he is a poor child of the parish.A couple of possible sister Sarah and Elizabeth where apprenticed in the previous couple of years.
Baptism for Sarah Perks d of Joseph and Mary Perks 25.12.1754.There is a sister Mary 22.101.1752.
There is also a Sarah Perks d of Joseph and Ann baptized 20.3.1744/5
As for George - after much searching
George 11.4.1752 s of Joseph and Millicent Perrins.
Siblings Mark 26.5.1744,William22.3.1745/6 and Joseph 16.5.1749.(married a Sarah <1773 children Mary 7.2.1773 ,Mark 4.12.1774,Joseph 27.7.1777,James 31.1.1779,Millicent 24.12.1780-2.10.1781,George 25.8.1782-11.1.1786 and Nancy 11.6.1786-8.4.1788.)
To be honest I may have missed a few siblings did Perrins 1738 -1768 and Perks just the ones I spotted.
Marriage Joseph Perrins and Millicent Schoble?Noble the ink is awful 23.12.1742
There is a burial for Joseph Perrins 1.12.1784 age 62.And a baptism 30.7.1720 to John and Sarah born 20.7 1720. There is a family tree online.
I assume you've got George and Sarah's children ,but in case you haven't -Mary 26.12.1773,John 31.1.1776,William 14.3.1779,Betty 29.7.1781,Pheobe and Nancy 29.101.1783 ( died 1783) ,Thomas 17.2.1785,Jemima 1.7.1792 and Nancy 7.3.1795.
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
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Brillant result, much appreciated from Down Under.
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Good Morning,
I felt bad about missing out the PERKS so I went back and did them.
Abel Perks from the bastardy bond turns out to be Sarah's brother.
Baptized 17.2.1758 ,their only other child he died age 34 .Married Mary Wooldridge 9.6.1777 and had Edward 25.1.1778,George 27.8.1780,Esther 2.11.1783-1.2.1785,Esther 2.2.1786 and Edward 27.9.1789.
Possible burials for his parents
Joseph Perks 15.7.1794 age 69
Mary Perk 19.3.1783 age 56
Mary Perks 6.7.1790 age 64.
No gravestones I'm afraid.
Joseph Perrins married Sarah Jones 29.11.1769 wit George Perrins amd Robert Quatermain.
George Perrins and Sarah Perks 8.10.1771 William Perks and William Perrins.
And a friend thinks Millicent's surname is Knoble.
All the best
Ciderdrinker
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Thomas Perrins of Spennells Stone nail manufacture will is in the Black Country History Dudley archives Ref DBANN/2/1/2 page 113 in the 1904-1913 will book of Bannister and King solicitors Stourbridge 1632-1971.
I am looking for information about Eliza Perrins from Kinver who married a Price and went out with the Army to Halifax, returning to Kinver about 1800 and married Lieut. Thomas Molyneux from Armagh, at Claines Church. He was my gt.gt.gt. grandfather, his wife Eliza died on the 24th December 1831 in London and is buried in Prestbury Cheltenham.
I have seen a reference to George Molyneux Perrins born 1859, christened 5th May 1859 at Kinver, who married Isabel Rusbage ?, in 1891 at St. Mary's Oldswinford, as well as his sister, who was called Alice Molyneux Perrins. Their father was Samuel Perrins born 1803 at Kinver and died at Kinver in 1871 who was a master Tailor and had married Anne Warr 29th August 1830 at St.Mary's Church Oldswinford. I would be greatfull for any information about Eliza Price nee Perrins.
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Hello
Elizabeth Perrins married a William Price at St Peters Kinver 12.6.1785.
Both were of this parish and William was a whitesmith.
They signed with a cross and witness were Richard Foxall (probably parish clerk) and Thomas Price.
Assuming that Samuel Perrins born c1803 was a relation .
Samuel Perrins baptised Kinver 8.9.1805 illegitimate son of Ann Perrins.
Ann and Elizabeth seem to be sisters.
Ann baptised 17.4.1785 d of Thomas and Elizabeth and Betty 16.4.1769.
Other children Sarah 24.4.1763,Samuel 21.4.1765,Mary 16.4.1773,Thomas 22.3.1777 and William 21.2.1779.
It's possible the couple married at Old Swinford 30.5.1762 and Elizabeth was Elizabeth Hicken but there are other marriages in the area.
Ciderdrinker
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Thank you so much for the info about Elizabeth Perrins, which is very interesting, because I knew that her husband Price was a whitesmith and according to my grandmother he beat her up and she threw herself on the protection of Lt.Thomas Molyneux, at Halifax Nova Scotia, who had joined the Army as an Ensign in the 6th Foot, 27th September 1786 against his father's wishes and had gone out to America. They remained there till 1793 when he was sent to the West Indies as a Lt. in the 1st Batt. Light Infantry and was present at the taking of Martinique, St. Lucia and Guadaloupe. During this time Eliza gave birth to several children all of which were 'natural', because according to my grandmother William Price was still alive.
The family returned home ( Ireland) in 1794 and Thomas Molyneux was made a Captain Lt. in the 5th Dragoons and purchased a Majority in the Caithness Fencibles in December, with which Regiment he served till the conclusion of the Rebellion in Ireland in September 1798, when he exchanged to the half pay of the 104th Regiment. He was appointed Lt.Col. by brevet on the 1st of January 1800 and placed on the staff of the Severn District as Inspecting Field Officer of the Yeomanry and Volunteers in June 1807 until May 1813, by which time he had become a Major General., living in Monmouth. Meanwhile Eliza was producing more children, (the wives of Thomas Molyneux and his brother John who lived in Ludlow, had thirty two children between them, but only about half survived). I had managed to find an entry of their marriage circa 1800 at Claines, where they were living in Common Hill House at the time and Eliza signs herself with an X. So their first nine children were 'natural' and the rest 'legit'. The children never knew any thing about this till after the death of their father in November 1841, which was the result of a law suit between his sons and the youngest George born in 1813 at Monmouth proved his claim to be the rightful heir.
However according to your information the Perrins seem to be a colorful family too, with plenty of natural children to boot. I wonder what became of William Price. Ellen Perrins, born 1843 and Christened on the 8th January 1843 at Kinver, who was one of the daughters of Samuel Perrins married a Charles Price, living afterwards in Stourbridge.
Thank you again for your input and I wish that my mother was still alive to have know about this, she recently died near 100. Her family were from the Black Country, her gt.grandfather was the political reformer George F. Muntz M.P. for Birmingham.
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The Hare and Hounds, Wynnall Lane, Carless Green, Wollescote, Lye in 1835 William Perrins was the licensee, till 1841 when Joseph Coley took it over till 1845,(William Coley had been the licensee in 1829 -35).Then William Alexander Perrins, who was also a farmer was recorded as being there from 1845 to 1865. In 1870 William Perrins is listed thereafter till 1872. (They may have been the same person). George Newman who was also a blacksmith and wheelwright was the next licensee till 1892.
In Pigotts Directory 1835, Eliza Perrins was at the ladies boarding school Kingswinford; Thomas Perrins was a chain, trace etc. manufacturer in Carless Green, as well as Phillip in Hagley Road; Samuel and his son William Perrins were tailors in Kinfare; William Perrins kept the Hare and Hounds Carless Green and John Perrins kept the Lock Inn Tavern at Kinfare.[ In 1863 the Vine Inn opened opposite on the north bank in competition to the Lock Inn].
There is also a report in the Worcester Journal saying that Thomas Perrins of Careless Green had died on the 24th December 1835 'after a protracted illness, most deservedly esteemed'.
There are more entries mentioning the Perrins in Whites Directory 1851.
Another snippet that I came across a few years ago when researching Elizabeth Perrins was this one.
The Nags Head at No.1 New Street, Stourbridge which was a popular coaching inn, being on the Irish route to Chester, the landlord was a Perrins, whose son Edward and daughter Elizabeth gave evidence at the trail of William Howe for the murder on the 18th December 1812 of Benjamin Robins of Dunsley Bank. [see the ghost of Gibbert Wood].
In the Staffordshire records office there is also a reference on the 17th May 1799 to the pauper Eleanor Doughty living in the rock habitation at Kinver, which had been made by her father Thomas Perrins 50 years previously.
In the 1881 Census Thomas Perrins from the Lye, nailmaker, unmarried and now aged 80 is a resident in the Stourbridge Union Workhouse. He was possibly the same Thomas Perrins who was declared Bankrupt on the 30th April 1860, see the London Gazette 1st. May 1860.
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Hello
Found this on Tony Hitchmough's site - No George but a few other Perrins'
http://www.longpull.co.uk/HBCPdownloads/HBCP%20Stourbridge%203.pdf
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Dear Forum,
I am seeking further information on George PERRINS, married Sarah PERKS perhaps 08.10.1771. Sarah the daughter of Joseph (posible owner of Hare and Hounds Inn at Careless Green, Old Swinford 1740). I have not been able to locate any details on this Inn. Does it still exist as a different name?
George PERRINS founded a Chain and Nail Manufacturing Building in 1770 at Careles Green, and lived in Careless Green House, again I cannot locate this property or any details as to the location of the Factory. I would like to know more about his parents. His son Thomas inherited the business in 1852 when George died.
Any information related to these family lines much appreciated.
I think that a son William (1773-8/3/1836) who was a trace chain maker (chain links to attach the horse to the plough) and married Mary Hart (1775-1831) had a son George baptised at Old Swinford on the 9th April 1824.