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Title: Trial Records
Post by: Vabre on Thursday 13 June 13 23:06 BST (UK)
I have a Michael Cotter who was trialed and convicted at Cork to transportation for seven years to New South Wales on 17 August 1830 for stealing a sheep the property of one William Hennessey.

Would anyone be able to advise me please as to where I may be able to find a report of the trial.

Thank you

Pam...Sydney
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: ballydw on Friday 14 June 13 23:46 BST (UK)
www.nationalarchives.ie have a database of irish convicts to australia :)
I have a Michael Cotter who was trialed and convicted at Cork to transportation for seven years to New South Wales on 17 August 1830 for stealing a sheep the property of one William Hennessey.

Would anyone be able to advise me please as to where I may be able to find a report of the trial.

Thank you

Pam...Sydney
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: ballydw on Saturday 15 June 13 01:02 BST (UK)
Pam the irish national archives hold prison records for Cork City Gaol from 1819-1924 so you may be able to source something here for Michael Cotter. :)
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: ballydw on Saturday 15 June 13 01:23 BST (UK)
Pam, have you looked at www.jenwilletts.com/ConvictShips.JKL.htm
It has an account of the Jane1 sailing from Cove Harbour (Cork) in 1831. The prisoners were held on the hulk of the Surprise before being embarked on the Jane1. Probably in Cork City Gaol prior to this I would imagine. Regards
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: Vabre on Saturday 15 June 13 07:41 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your help it is greatly appreciated.

The National Archives records could be a great help thank you for advising me.

Best regards

Pam...Sydney
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: marysma on Saturday 15 June 13 17:45 BST (UK)
Hi Pam,

            I see a Certificate of Freedom on ancestry.

 No 38/722
Date              6th August 1838

Prisoner No   31/11do
Name   Michael Cotter
Ship     Jane
Master   Baique
Year  1839
Native Place   Fermoy,County Cork
Trade or Calling   Labourer
Offence   Stealing Sheep
Place of Trial    Cork
Sentence    Seven Years
Year of Birth     1809
Height   5 Foot Six Inches
Complextion  Dark Ruddy
Hair    Dark Brown
Eyes   Hazel
General Remarks     Burnt marks back of right hand--Tear top of right thumb

Number    38/482 Dated 14th March 1836

marysma

Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: Vabre on Saturday 15 June 13 22:33 BST (UK)
Hi Mary

Thank you for the information, I am also just about to send an emaul to the National Archives to see as to how I can gain access to the Cork Gaol records.

Take care

Pam
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: shanew147 on Sunday 16 June 13 10:23 BST (UK)
Many Prison records are available as transcripts on FamilySearch, and also on FindMyPast.ie. These registers do not contain much detail.

see : Prison records 1790-1924 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/2043780)

Very few records exist in Ireland relating to Transportation and trials from this period. Most of the surviving records have been indexed and listed on the Ireland Transportation database mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: Vabre on Sunday 16 June 13 10:38 BST (UK)
Thanks shanew,
I have looked at Family Search to no avail and today I logged into Find MY Past where they have my Michael Cotter. Opening it up it doesn't give me any more details than what I already have which is disappointing.
On one past occasion I was searching for another ancestor from Waterford and through another organisation I was able to obtain a copy of a newspaper report in 1821. By using the contents of that report I was able to trace from where my man came and have met and correspond with a cousin who lives in Waterford. Maybe I was lucky however the organisation I used I feel are no longer in business.

Thank you.

Pam...Sydney
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: Vabre on Sunday 16 June 13 20:51 BST (UK)
Hi Frances

I received a personal message from you however I am sorry for I can't reply as the site keeps rejecting my email and says that your user name is incorrect.

If I am now speaking to the correct Frances many thanks for the email you sent to me and the information it contained.

One thing intrigued me is that you asked if Michael Cotter married a Catherine Dodd. Well he did and I wonder if you are following this line.

Best wishes

Pam...Sydney
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: marysma on Sunday 16 June 13 21:00 BST (UK)
Hi Pam,

             ancestry has quite a few records for Michael Cotter including permission to marry Catherine Dodd.

Hope this helps,
marysma
Title: Re: Trial Records
Post by: Vabre on Sunday 16 June 13 21:49 BST (UK)
Thank you Mary.
Pam...Sydney