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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: Kazzaqld on Saturday 11 June 05 05:49 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I am new to the board but not new to family history.
Above are some of my Cambridgeshire names - would love to make contact if you think there may be a connection.
Look forward to chatting more,
Cheers
Kazzaqld.
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There are a lot of Peachys and Palmers in Burwell, Cambridgshire. Film 0990400 Burwell UK 1562-1860. The baptisms for 1st half of 1800's not on it. However,they are available on the net.
Sabrina
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Roger Peachey, the vicar of Isleham in the late 1600s had 16 children and over the years his descendants have transmogrified into Petcheys, Petchs and many other variations. There are Peacheys as well. Have never encountered Blinco, but all of the other names are plentiful around E Cambs/W Suffolk.
Why not post one or two specific names/dates and see if you can get some tangible help?
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I've got an Elizabeth Sizer in my tree whom married a Stephen Page back in 1653 (- 30/3/1653, Stow Cum Quy, Cambs) her Father was Roger Sizer (mother Elizabeth Ware) his father John Sizer (mother Elizabeth Woolward) all cambs area - most info from an Australian chap whom I found in google last year when looking into my Oak line.
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I've got an Elizabeth Sizer in my tree whom married a Stephen Page back in 1653 (- 30/3/1653, Stow Cum Quy, Cambs) her Father was Roger Sizer (mother Elizabeth Ware) his father John Sizer (mother Elizabeth Woolward) all cambs area - most info from an Australian chap whom I found in google last year when looking into my Oak line.
Hello Cousin!!
Elizabeth SIZER is my 1st cousin 10x removed, so we are related, however distantly!
I have lots of information to share, probably better done by private email.
Not sure how we do that here, do we send each other a private msg
Cheers
Karen.
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Hi, my mother's family are PALMERs from Burwell - have quite a bit on my website
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/
+ I also run the PALMER_East_Anglia Mailing List
Cheers, Ann.
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Hi, my mother's family are PALMERs from Burwell - have quite a bit on my website
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/
+ I also run the PALMER_East_Anglia Mailing List
Cheers, Ann.
And a very good list it is too - have been on it for a while now. Mine are the Soham PALMERs. My ROLLINGS have Burwell connections though!
Had a look around your great site but although I also have a few Stephens there doesn't appear to be a link.
Oh well, we keep digging ;D
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I have a Jane Murfitt born 14 Feb 1839 Stretham
m. 20 Apr 1862 Stretham to Levit Colin Rowell
she dies 8 FEb 1895 in Stretham. I relate thru the Rowell line and have no more on Jane, excpet for her children
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Hi
I have Sizer ancestors from cambs.
the earliest I have is Lambert Sizer 1674, who had 12 children.
he is my (8) great grandfather, his son samuel 1712 is my (7) great grandfather, Samuel's son William 1745 is my (6) great grandfather, and so on,
Please contact me if you think there may be a connection they all lived around the soham area.
Thanks
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Hi
Do you have a Sarah Palmer born 1841ish in Soham?
I have Charles Beckwith born 1838 Soham and thought he may have married a Palmer. Charles and Sarah moved to Marske 1871 census & Liverton 1881 onwards and have a nephew Jonathan D Palmer born 1872? living with them in 1891.
Thanks in anticipation!
Christine
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Hi
Do you have a Sarah Palmer born 1841ish in Soham?
I have Charles Beckwith born 1838 Soham and thought he may have married a Palmer. Charles and Sarah moved to Marske 1871 census & Liverton 1881 onwards and have a nephew Jonathan D Palmer born 1872? living with them in 1891.
Thanks in anticipation!
Christine
Hi Christine - the only Sarah I have who might be close, is one born 1815, died 31 October 1901 in Parramatta, NSW. So it's not likely to be her.
Oh well, it was worth a try! ;D
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I am looking for the parents of James Murfet who is my great, great grandfather. He died in Soham aged 63, buried 3 Jan 1860. That would make his birth 1797. Can anyone help please?
There is a likely candidate born in Stretham 23 April 1797 listed on the IGI as son of William and Elizabeth, but he doesn't appear in any Parish Records of Baptism. I'm stuck!
Please help.
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I don't have parents for him either - assuming we are talking about the James MURFET who married Ann TAYLOR.
I'd love to link him into my MURFETs too. His grandson George married into my wider Cambridgeshire tree, but I'd love to know if he fits into my MURFET tree too.
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Hi,
Don't know if this is of any help but a James Murfet was baptised 7 Nov 1801 at Fordham, born 12 July. Son of Thomas and Arrabel (nee Westrope).
Tempsford.
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Hi Mollystree (and Kazza)
Welcome to Rootschat!
I'm trying to find James in 1851 in order to get his birthplace, but I'm struggling to find him. Can you give us a bit more information about his family, eg names and births of children?
There's a James age 40 in 1841 in Soham, with wife Ann 40, and children James 14, Elizabeth 10, Robert 8; Hannah 5; John 1. Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below, so 40 covered an age range of 40-44.
What appears to be the same family was living in Finchley in 1851
James 50 born Littleport Cambs, Ann 49 b Isleden Suffolk, Robert 17; Hannah 14, John 9. All children b Soame (sic) Cambs -transcribed on Ancestry as Seamer!
If this is the right family I'll post full details
This family appears to have baptised a couple of children in Littleport before moving to Soham (Baptism index on http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html ). That it's the same family seems to be confirmed by the baptism of Naomi in Littleport in 1825 and her burial age 1 in Soham in 1826
Littleport parish register hasn't been extracted onto either the IGI or the BVRI, which is perhaps why no-one has found his baptism. However, Littleport baptisms are included on the Cambs FHS baptism index 1801-37 and he's not there. Perhaps he was baptised in 1800.
I can't find an Isleden, Suffolk, but there is an Isleham, Cambs, only a couple of miles from Soham
David
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Hi,
Don't know if this is of any help but a James Murfet was baptised 7 Nov 1801 at Fordham, born 12 July. Son of Thomas and Arrabel (nee Westrope).
Tempsford.
Thanks Tempsford.
According to a cousin of mine - that James died in 1810 and was buried in Fordham on 27 March - so doesn't seem to be our boy. Oh well - shame because I do know how Thomas and Arrabel fit into my family!
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Isleham is right on the Suffolk border and there are parts of the Ecclesiastical parish that are geographically in Suffolk. Doesn't fully explain the entry, but it might be a simple mistake. There are plenty of Murfets (of varying spellings) in the village to this day
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I hadn't bothered to look at 1861 as James died in 1860, but having done so now there is an Ann Murfet 63 widow b Isleham Cambs living alone in Soham. Next door was William Horsley 26 and his wife Hannah 24.
FreeBMD has a marriage in June 1855 in Newmarket registration district (which includes Soham) where William Horsley and Hannah Murfit are on the same page
So it does seem as though these are the same Murfets as were living in Finchley in 1851, and the Isleden is actually Isleham
David
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Thanks Everyone.
William Horsley and Hannah Murfet were my great grandparents, and the entry for James Murfet and his wife Ann (Taylor) and children in Soham in 1851 is correct.
I haven't found them before that. I didn't know about Naomi (how sad a story!)
Nor had I found any connection to Finchley. Is that Finchley in London or is there another one?
I'd love to solve this mystery, but unless I can find out who put the entry on the IGI for a birth (not baptism) of James in 1797 in Stretham, I wonder if I ever will?
Molly
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Hi Molly
Give me a few minutes and I'll do a full transcript of the censuses. Glad we found the right family.
I would ignore the Stretham birth on the IGI, at least for the momenty. I think it's probably a red herring. It's a few miles from Littleport, on the opposite side of Ely. You need to be thinking about Littleport parish register, as so far there's no link to Stretham.
Must dash - must pick up my little one from School
David
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Sorry, I too have James and Ann and children in Soham in 1841 but not in 1851, my mistake.
Molly
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Hi Molly
1851 HO107/1701 folio 382A
Woodside, Finchley, Middlesex
James Muffet head marr 50 Rail lab b Cambridge Littleport
Anne Muffet wife 49 b Suffolk, Isleden
Robert Muffet son 17 b Soame Cambs
Hannah Muffet dau 14 b Soame
John Muffet son 9 b Soame
Littleport bishop's transcripts have been filmed by the LDS. You can order and view the microfiche at your nearest LDS family history centre, or you can go to Cambridge Records Office if that is nearer
Death ages are pretty unreliable, and I would place more faith in the age 50 in 1851.
You've got nothing to link James to Stretham, other than the member submission for the birth fits with his age at death. A recipe for researching someone else's family!!!
Have you found his marriage, allegedly in Soham? Does it give a parish of residence other than Soham?
The burial index on the Cambs FHS site has some Littleport Murfet burials 1801-37, of which one might conceivably be James' father
David
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Thanks David, that's great, assuming you mean James not John aged 50?
Interestingly, the nearest railway line to Woodside, Finchley is the branch of Northern Line heading to High Barnet, but the station that is now called Woodside Park opened as Torrington Park station in 1872, so it isn't likely that James was working on that line.
Still, this is further than I've ever got before and I'm very grateful. All I need to find now are his parents. I have a huge database of Murfets who went to Australia but so far I have no link between my line and theirs. I will soldier on!
Cheers, Molly
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Molly,
If you have a look here http://johnnicholsfh.com/f2253.htm#f1520
You'll see what my cousin John Nichols has compiled on the family. It should be of interest!
Cheers
Karen
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Sorry, definitely James not John in 1851. I have modified my post.
As Littleport baptisms pre 1801 are not online it's going to take someone to check the microfilm in an LDS Family History Centre, or at Cambridge Records Office, or to check the fiche transcription sold by Cambs FHS. Unfortunately there must a lot of fiche as they're a bit pricey.
I know from burials that there were Murfets living in Littleport.
But that's the only way this Murfet line is going to move backwards
The link provided by Karen to an online tree is interesting, although the tree fails to show the first two children of James and Ann who were baptised in Littleport. Whilst Naomi died in Soham, their eldest son, William, appears in censuses
David
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Many thanks David and Karen. Enough there to keep me going! I went to Cambridge Records Office the other day but didn't look at Littleport records, so it looks as though I'll be going again! I'm away for the next few days so won't be on line, but I'll keep you posted with anything I find in a week or two.
Goodnight, and thank you,
Molly
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I just got home from the LDS Family Records Centre in London, and I finally found my great great grandfather James Murfet!!!
I looked at the Bishop's Transcripts for Littleport, on film, and there he was, baptised
9 August 1799, son of John and Susanna Murfitt. They had three other sons, William, 1786, Robert, 1789, and Thomas, 1790. There may have been other children but the record is not complete, a number of pages are unreadable.
John and Susanna married in Littleport 17 April 1785 and her maiden name was Vincent. She was baptised 15 September 1765, daughter of John and Elizabeth.
I couldn't find John Murfitt's baptism nor any marriages or baptisms of Murfitts before 1785, so perhaps he came from somewhere else. Nor could I find John Vincent's marriage to Elizabeth, but as I said, the records are not complete.
I think I did rather well, thanks to David telling me about the Littleport connection.
Time for tea now!
Molly
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Brilliant! Delighted you got a result Molly. Just goes to show that not everything can be done online, and that sometimes you need to get your hands dirty and check the parish registers/BTs
Did you go to the LDS in Exhibition Road, opposite the Science Museum? I spent many a happy hour in there when I lived in Notting Hill.
david
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Yes David, that's the place.
Unfortunately, now I come to put my new data on my computer, I find I already have John Murfet marrying Susanna Vincent, but in Fordham on 2 November 1792. That was given to me over the internet by someone called by Jennie Hudson in 2002, so its back to the drawing-board!
On the other hand, Boyd's Marriage Index confirms the Littleport/1795 data.
I think I may go mad!
Cheers,
Molly
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If you took the marriage from the parish register that's as good a source as you can get. That Boyds also has it confirms that you didn't make an error.
Once again shows that you cannot rely on other people's trees or IGI member submissions
David
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Hi there. What I wonder now is, who was John Murfet? Could he be the son of Langman Murfet and Margaret Tebitt, born 1763? That would make him two years older than Susanna Vincent, so it looks right, but how on earth could it be proved or disproved? Nobody else has found any such link, but it would be very satisfying to do so.
Any thoughts?
Molly
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Where was John Murfet 1863 born?
There's a burial on the Cambs FHS site - http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
of John Murfit age 67 in Littleport in 1830, which would fit very nicely
Did the 1785 marriage of John Murfet and Sarah Vincent state John "of this parish" or was a different parish of residence given? Who were the witnesses at the marriage?
David
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Hi David, thanks for coming back so quickly.
John Murfet was baptised 30 January 1763 in St Andrew's Church, Soham, son of Langman and Margaret.
The Bishop's Transcript for Littleport doesn't show any details of the marriage on 17 April 1785 apart from the names John Murfet and Susanna Vincent.
I really hope its the same John. I don't think I can prove it, but it looks likely to me, unless I find anything to disprove it.
Thanks for the link re the burial in 1830. We press on!
Molly
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As Soham and Littleport are only 8 miles apart I agree that it's probably him. Unless Langman left a will naming his children, and in particular "John of Littleport", proving it is another matter!
David
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Hi there.
I am now convinced my ancestor James Murfet who married Ann Taylor in 1821 in Soham is the son of John Murfet born 1763 in Soham, and therefore grandson of Langman Murfet. All the bits of the puzzle fit, and I am certain that I have now linked my branch of the Murfets to all the rest, including those who migrated to Australia and New Zealand.
Thanks David and everyone else who helped.
Molly
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HI Molly,
That makes you my distant cousin, then!
I'd love to share what I have on the family tree - would you like to PM me your email address and I'll send you what I have!
Cheers
Karen.
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May I as a great grandson of Sarah Sizer, b1791 Bilby Lincs ask whether any connection has been established between the Sizers in Cambs, principally Soham, and the Sizers in Lincolnshire, principally Alford area. I know there are Sizers in other counties too, but believe these are the main two centres.
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I'm also a descendant of James Murfet and Ann Taylor and their daughter Elizabeth. Hope we can compare some information.
Patti
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When I saw this new reply I hoped someone had made a connection between the Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire Sizers. I can but hope and wait!