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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Monmouthshire => Wales => Monmouthshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: etrotte on Friday 07 June 13 01:35 BST (UK)
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I have ancestors who lived and died in Newport, Wales. I strongly suspect they are buried in the St Woollos cemetery. I was hoping someone would be so kind as to confirm if/where they are buried. Pictures of the graves would be fantastic, but not necessary.
Here is what I know about them:
ISAAC GRAVES -- B:abt 1816; D: 1871-1881
his wife JANE GRAVES (BRACEY) -- B: abt 1816, D: likely 1866
Some of their children may also be buried there, but I haven't yet found their years of death:
ISAAC B GRAVES -- b:abt 1840
WILLIAM GRAVES -- b:abt 1845
MARY J GRAVES -- b: abt 1847
Thanks so much
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, it looks like at least Issac snr was buried at St Woolos:-
Burial St Woolos 18th March 1875 Isaac Graves Abode S Paul aged 58
I followed young Issac through the census, and this looks to be his death:-
Isaac Graves March 1918 Newport M 11a 261 aged 77
Keyboard86
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Thanks so much for this.
I also followed Isaac jr's records this afternoon and found the same death record. It's nice to have a confirmation of these findings.
As for the burial date of Isaac snr, did you get this from the burial records? Do happen to know where in the cemetery he is buried?
Thanks again for your help Keyboard86.
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HI was Mary J Graves a Mary Jemima who married an Alexander Fulham Payton in Dec qtr 1868 when both appear to disappear by 1891?
The marriage was on the 21st December 1868 Newport St Paul, Mary aged 22
Also I could not locate a birth for Mary J?
The burial record for Isaac was taken from the original parish record.
Keyboard86
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Ok can now see by searching for William b c 1845 that the marriage above looks good, as in 1881/91/01an Arthur L Parsons b c 1872 is shown as Nephew with William and Phillis (nee Hammett) Graves and family, in 1891Arthur b Newport in 1881 b Christchurch Mon.
Census refs 1881 RG11/5265/47/11 1891 RG12/4376/1830 1901 RG13/4958/11/13
So what happened to parents post 1871 Alexander and post 1881 Mary?
Following William back he died Dec qtr 1929 Newport M 11a 189 aged 85
Arthur Lawrence Parsons married a Frances Lily McGregor or Mary Ann Knibbs Sept qtr 1901 Newport M 11a 420
More than likely Frances Lily, as living next door in 1901, is a Lillie McGregor b 1876 Newport, who in 1881 is a Francis aged 5
Keyboard86
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It looks like Mary Jemima's husband died in 1872. I too haven't been able to find her in the census records past 1881. I don't have a birth record for her either, just an estimate based on census data.
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It looks like Mary Jemima's husband died in 1872. I too haven't been able to find her in the census records past 1881. I don't have a birth record for her either, just an estimate based on census data.
HI have you found the son Arthur Lawrence Parsons and wife in 1911? If not it may be worth starting a new thread, with ref to this one enquiring as to there whereabouts since the marriage, and also Arthur's mother Mary J?
Keyboard86
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HI was Mary J Graves a Mary Jemima who married an Alexander Fulham Payton in Dec qtr 1868 when both appear to disappear by 1891?
The marriage was on the 21st December 1868 Newport St Paul, Mary aged 22
Keyboard86
Hi etrotte!
Have found this marriage on FreeBMD:
Mary Jemima Graves and Alexander Fulham PARSONS, not Payton, December qtr 1868. I assume this is the one you mean Keyboard86 (?) as you have Arthur Parsons, it is just a typo! Confused me!! ???
Alexander Fulham Parsons dies March qtr 1872 aged 24, in Newport.
Have a marriage between Mary Jemima Parsons and Robert Pugh or John Baker, June qtr 1878, Newport (11a 221).
I am assuming she married Robert Pugh, as Mary Jemima Pugh dies in March qtr 1904, aged 58, in Newport (11a 159) - which would be about the right age! Sorry, can't check the census records myself, but I'm sure someone will . . . ;)
As for St Woollos Cemetary, I also have quite a few relatives buried there. I was going to suggest just contacting the cemetary as I have before and they have been really helpful. However I checked their website (as it was over 10 years ago), and they are now charging £10 for a 30 minute search. :( So hopefully someone will be closer to look for you.
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;D Well I'll be! So wish a Pugh of correct yob b Newport shows up via mobile, but it must be her?
OK got them in 1891 RG12/4347/39/36 In Abergavenny
So son to sort out if correct Mary J!
Keyboard86
? Who is the Mary Parsons in Newport of c age?
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Hi again, must be her in the 1881 census with Robert and Mary is an 11 year old Alice M Parsons shown as Stepdaughter how I missef this is beyond me, but goes to prove that "Bumping up" a thread can bring new eyes to the task!!
Census ref RG11/5234/32/22
Keyboard86
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HI again, Alice Maude Parsons marries a Frederick Collins in Sept qtr Abergavenny 11a 81 and with family in 1901 in Hampshire on RG13/1065/94/18
And could be the death in 1919 Portsmouth?
Keyboard 86
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OK you lot, can see the viewing figures have increased dramatically, where is Arthur Lawrence Parsons b c 1872 Newport, probably married to a Frances b c 1875?
War records/Emigration/children?
Off to bed!
Keyboard 86
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Ok, just to clarify and possibly summarize…
I know that her name is Mary J Graves, born to Isaac Graves and Jane Bracey.
I have her in the 1851 and 1861 St Woollos(Newport) censuses living with her parents and siblings.
Assuming the J is in fact Jemima, then it's safe to say that she married Alexander Fulham Parsons (B:1847 in London; D:1872 in Newport) in 1868.
In 1971 census, I have a Mary Parsons (correct date/location of birth) married to Alexander Parsons, and their child Alice Parsons. They are living in Christchurch, Monmouthshire, Wales.
Post 1971 is where it seemed to get a bit fuzzy:
Mary Jemima could have married a Robert Pugh in 1878 in Newport, which would match a 1881 census of a Mary Pugh, wife of Robert Pugh, and mother of Alice M. Parsons (listed as step-daughter to Robert). They are living in Abergavenny. This seems like the most likely possibility.
However, I also found a Mary Parsons listed in an 1881 census for St Woollos (Newport), Monmouthshire. She is listed as married, but head of household w/ no one else listed. The birth year/place also work, and she was born in this area. This second 81 census threw me at first, but I guess there must have been another Mary born in Newport about the same time who married a Parsons.
Also, this all depends on whether this Mary Jemima we are discussing is the correct Mary J, daughter of Isaac Graves and Jane Bracey.
Thank you for all your help. This is fantastic!
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keyboard86,
I did find the marriage record between Arthur Lawrence Parsons (b 1872 Newport) and Frances, as you mentioned. I'll continue searching for more about Arthur, and start a new topic if needed. Thanks
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Hi etrotte,
you may already have this information[and not wishing to confuse!] but heres a few Graves baptisms:
William Graves
1844
July 24th
Newport St Paul
father Isaac
mother Jane
Thomas Graves
1841
Oct 17th
Newport St Paul
Isaac
Jane
George Graves
1849
May 16th
Newport St Pauls
Isaac
Jane
and a few deaths
Isaac Graves
1875
Jan Feb Mar
age 50
Jane Graves
1866
Oct Nov Dec
age 51
Isaac Graves
1918
Jan Feb Mar
age 77
Found this which might be where the name Jemina comes from:
Baptism
Isaac Graves
24th Sept 1815
Parish Tintern Parva Monmouthshire
fathers name Isaac
mother Jemina
fathers occupation Waterman
church St Michael and Angels
after a another read through of this thread I can see you have some of this information, apologies
for repeating it :o
Steve
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From Hewy. Apologies if I am duplicating data you already have or have been given but have the following on a database for St Woolos Cemetery burials, 1854-1907 (not all necessarily related of course):
St Woolos Cemetery: Surname: GRAVES (plus GREAVES - see below):
#No. Date Buried Person Age Abode/Place of Death Grave Loc Notes
06529 02-03-1870 Eliza GRAVES 4y Newport Unc; D; 144; 52 2nd Intermt.
06561 25-03-1870 Mary Ann GRAVES 58y Union Workhouse Con; F; - ; -
09539 18-03-1875 Isaac GRAVES 58y St Woolos Con; D; 228; 44
10211 22-05-1876 George GRAVES 12w St Woolos Unc; D; 114; 48
11946 24-11-1878 Richard Watkins GRAVES 16m 36 Bolt St. Unc; D; 114; 48 2nd Int. 6ft.
13986 14-02-1882 Eliza GRAVES 10h 30 Bolt St. Unc; E; 20; 3
15042 06-08-1883 Mabel Lucy GRAVES 6m 1 Temple St. Unc; D; 114; 48 3rd Int. 6ft.
15752 09-08-1884 Jessie George GRAVES 4m 1 Temple St. Unc; D; 114; 48 4th Int. 5ft.
18390 19-05-1887 Ethel GRAVES 11m 11 Alma St. Unc; D; 184; 30 3rd Int. 9ft.
20434 17-04-1889 Albert Edward GRAVES 26y 30 Bolt St. Unc; D; 210; 7
27709 27-10-1895 Sarah Elizabeth GRAVES 25y 64 Caerleon Rd. Con; C; 128; 40 10 feet
31764 14-08-1899 William Ewart GRAVES 10m 16 Clarence Place FC; C; 164; 78
33101 17-09-1900 Daisy Alma GRAVES 2w 117 Commercial Rd. Con; D; 102; 15
33260 10-11-1900 Martha GRAVES 61y 41 North St. Con; D; 228; 44 3rd Int. 7 feet.
33646 05-03-1901 Annie GRAVES 63y 23 Bolt St. FC; D; 210; 7 2nd Int. 6 feet.
36670 17-02-1904 Frederick William GRAVES 29y 57 Coldra Rd. FC; C; 392; 78 8 feet
40516 26-12-1906 Frank GRAVES 8y 7 Mountjoy Place FC; D; 174; 14
2nd Int. 7 feet.
40598 10-01-1907 Edwin GRAVES 10y 7 Mountjoy St. FC; D; 174; 14 3rd Int. 5ft.
40888 25-03-1907 Alma Annie GRAVES 38y 117 Commercial Rd. Con; D; 102; 15 2nd Int. 6ft.
Surname: GREAVES (First one - Jane - maybe GRAVES as same plot as others above, possibly applies to others below as well):
#No. Date Buried Person Age Abode/Place of Death Grave Loc Notes
04754 02-11-1866 Jane GREAVES 52y St Woollos Con; D; 228; 44 10 feet
05642 26-06-1868 John L. GREAVES 18m St Woollos Unc; D; 184; 30 10 ft.
10815 30-04-1877 John GREAVES 2w Upper George St. Unc; D; 184; 30
24310 31-01-1893 Harriett GREAVES 81y 3 Ombersley Rd. Unc; C; 49; 78
Hewy