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Title: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: LockerZ on Wednesday 05 June 13 21:10 BST (UK)
Hi

I'm researching the Berncastle family and have become stuck.

On the 1911 census Guy Measham Berncastle is living in Hammersmith, London. The step son of Herbert Melbourne Berncastle and Sarah Berncastle.

Herbert Melbourne Berncastle married Sarah Measham 4th Quarter of 1909 in Fulham.

From the 1911 Census Guy Measham Berncastle was born in Switzerland in 1907.

How do I find his birth?

I imagine his name at birth was Guy Measham!!

Kind regards

Chris
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 06 June 13 08:07 BST (UK)
The first thing you have to establish is whether Sarah Measham was her birth name ??  have you found Sarah Measham on any census ?
On 1911 census where was Sarah born ???...England or Switzerland ??
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 06 June 13 08:10 BST (UK)
OK ...I have found where Sarah was born - back soon
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 06 June 13 08:19 BST (UK)
1881 census
17 Wilbury Mews
Hove
Sussex
Sarah Measham aged 4 born Compstall,Derbyshire
family
Georg Measham aged 33 b Bagworth ,Leics
Ellen wife aged 26 b Compstall,Derbys
Sarah aged 4 b Compstall
William aged 2 b Brighton
Annie aged 0 b Brighton ...........
this is Sarah Berncastle - confirmation thru 1911 census info

So - pretty sure Guy would have been born Guy Measham .....
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: jorose on Thursday 06 June 13 09:59 BST (UK)
There appear to have been two sons - Guy (1907) and John (1906) Measham Berncastle (plus a third, Frank Measham Berncastle, born after the marriage - deceased 2002).

Herbert's obituary (europepmc.org/articles/PMC2026164/pdf/brmedj03065-0071c.pdf ) says three sons - so they were raised as his.

They do not appear (under Measham or Berncastle, at least) on the consular birth indexes - which unfortunately only means that she might not have registered them. If you know where (what church, if it was a church wedding) the marriage took place you might find a late baptism for one or both boys there. Or perhaps some later record (shipping?) might give you a more exact birthplace.

Not knowing exactly where they were born (or what name they might have been born under) will make getting any info out of Switzerland difficult.
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: LockerZ on Thursday 06 June 13 17:23 BST (UK)
Thank you

Jorose and Garstonite.

I will get the marriage certificate ordered.

Chris


 
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: SwissGill on Friday 07 June 13 09:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

Wondered about the name of "Berncastle", having visited Bernkastel in Germany :) Tried Berncastel and found Frank Measham Berncastel on a Navy List on A'cy. There seem to be a number of "Berncastels" in the South of England but haven't researched further.
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: SwissGill on Friday 07 June 13 09:41 BST (UK)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1404607/Lieutenant-Commander-Frank-Berncastle.html

Assumedly, the brother, John Measham Berncastel or Berncastle sailed to Port Said and gave his occupation as civil servant (maybe records here)

He also sailed to USA from Southampton 1947 and gave his address as c/o United Nations, NY (also a channel to follow).

Just found overseas Marriage:

BERNCASTLE, John M
Consulate : Cairo
Country: Egypt
Year: 1941-1945
Volume : 37
Page: 82
Spouse's last name: Not stated
Record source: GRO Consular Marriages (1849-1965

Possible brides:

Margaret V Brady
or
Mary P Ross
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: Berncastel on Monday 22 July 13 01:05 BST (UK)
Chris
I am also researching the Berncastel/Berncastle family and have a copy of the marriage cert of Herbert Melbourne Berncastel and Sarah Measham.  I would be happy to send you a copy.

Jan
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: barryd on Monday 22 July 13 01:33 BST (UK)
The London Gazette has numerous entries for the Berncastle family including some with Measham as a middle name.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/exact=Berncastle/start=1
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: LockerZ on Monday 22 July 13 23:28 BST (UK)
Thanks Jan and barryd

I would love to see a copy of the marriage certificate of Herbert Melbourne Bercastle and Sarah Measham.

Chris
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: LockerZ on Wednesday 24 July 13 12:17 BST (UK)
Jan

On the marriage certificate of Herbert Melbourne Berncastle and Sarah Measham, does Sarah get married as widow and what is her father's name and occupation.

Chris
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: Berncastel on Wednesday 24 July 13 12:32 BST (UK)
Hi Chris
Sarah is listed as "Spinster" and her father is George Measham, "of Independent means."
I will send you a copy as soon as I get a minute to scan the certificate.
Cheers
Jan
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: LockerZ on Thursday 25 July 13 17:26 BST (UK)
I've just done a bit more of the Berncastle family tree and Guy Measham Berncastle had a daughter whose middle name is BYLL.
I've not seen BYLL before I wonder if it's part of the Swiss connection?

Chris
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: Sunflower8 on Monday 18 January 16 17:57 GMT (UK)
Did you find the info you were looking for?  I am part of the family (by marriage) and have a lot of documents and info. Are you related to the Berncastle's?
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: LockerZ on Monday 18 January 16 21:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Sunflower8

I am not related. I am doing the Berncastle tree for Josie daughter of Guy Kingsley Berncastle, who is son of RIchard A C Berncastle, the son of Guy Measham Berncastle. After researching her tree and discovering her Great grand father Guy Measham Berncastle was born in Switzerland, Josie was fascinated and wanted to know more but we have hit a brick wall.
Any information or help would be brilliant.

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: Switzerland - In search of Guy Measham Berncastle's birth
Post by: Sunflower8 on Monday 18 January 16 23:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I was married to Richard's cousin Andrew (died 2010), son of Frank Measham Berncastle. Frank did a lot of family research and wrote a pamphlet called "Berncastle Forbears". I have his notes, family tree and some documents. I will look to see what birth/marriage certificates I can find.  Josie's grandfather, Richard, would be a good person to talk to. Byll is Richard's sister Rosemary, but they don't really talk to each other - I believe she is in contact with Josie's father, Guy. I don't know about Swiss connection. There is a Berncastle connection in Trier though.
Good luck with the research, maybe Josie can come and look at the stuff I have one day. I live in Hampshire.

Regards
Hilary